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Originally posted by Condemned1990
It's my honest opinion, not an attempt to "be cool". To me, any person who accepts the absurdities of their doctrine (torturing unbelievers, killing unbelievers, sexism, rape) deserves a taste of the torture and death they endorse. Children, mentally handicapped people and religionists who are becoming atheists, agnostics, paganists or satanists would be exempt from my killing spree. I do not label people as guilty by association, but as guilty by the practice or advocation of the atrocities in their religion.
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Originally posted by Condemned1990
I would torture and then slaughter all religious people, especially christians. That's my honest answer.
Even innocent people?
That goes to show what kind of a threat you are, to yourself and others and probably the envoirment and animals also, you and all the people who gave you stars.
What do you think you are cool by saying you would torture and kill?, talky talky, now now...
You are under mind control just like the religions it self.
Think, think, use it.
If my mind was being controlled, I would not be aware of it because my free will to think would be absent. I am aware of my free will to think and my mind is not being controlled by an external force. My opinion belongs to me, not a puppet master.
Yes, I'm aware that satanism and paganism are religions, but those in particular do not advocate the atrocities in the holy books nor do they condemn people for not having the same beliefs. Those two are exempted from my killing spree fantasy.edit on 14-12-2010 by Condemned1990 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Condemned1990
reply to post by DaWhiz
I'm not quoting mainstream music. For your information, I hate mainstream music. If you can prove that I am doing what you think I'm doing, please do so. Otherwise, stop concluding nonsense just because you misunderstand.
Most of them still AGREE with the torture of unbelievers in a hell and they openly ADVOCATE it because it's in their "holy" books.
Originally posted by nastyj
How is it, exactly, that you would disprove life? The insanity of this statement blows my mind just thinking about it.
Ok lol, that was bad phrasing, let me rephrase. At the end of the court debate the ultimatum would be the Athiests demanding the proof for hard proof of God, the religious would use the world and more as evidence but at the end they would resolve that when it comes to belief in God, faith is the only answer.
Same way the Religious would end up demonading how would mankind know that there is no god, Athiest would give the usual, if there was god why hasnt he shown up yet, why hasnt god sorted out lifes problems, or that nature and science is the answer to all the unexplained phenomena and natural pattern of life, also life itself. Being the evolving nature of cellular make up over millennia, natural selection, big bang, and so forth. Religious minds would answer a lot with god plan and power, because mankind hasnt been able to prove the nature and pattern of things. And despite all the advancement in technology would never be able to create life or anything similar to what nature/god has done. So it would pretty end up ith a stalemate, with both sides being none the less wiser infact would end up being more bitter with eachothers indifferences.
Yea yea, years ago (according to some Christians) there was no possible way there could be such a thing as ET life, apparently now it has changed so it proves religion is right? I didn't get the memo that the meaning of our entire existence has changed, sorry.
Im not too sure about the history of what christianity says on the subject matter, but i do know that you right that a lotta christians are new theories regarding this. But the problem of that is the main source of information lies in the Bible and we both know that has become somewhat a hard source of religious fact because of its many alterations since roman times and pagan influences which many christians will also agree with.
Islam on the contrary hasnt ever changed its stance and since revelation has had direct quotes from the Quran about ET life. and jinns, and my understanding of this field clearly sees no conflicts between ET and religion. Infact not only religion but evidence is suspect in many cultures and tribes and other religions monotheistic/polytheistic all show similarities.
No, like I said, Atheists don't want to kill you. Armageddon is one of YOUR fantasies, not ours.
Armageddon is not a fantasy as it is 100% possible if you consider nuclear warefare, or natural disaster, as an atheist im sure even you should agree on that.
We might share a more pessimistic view on life, according to prophecies etc, and you might share a more optimistic one. But these are grim times we are living in, on an account of wars etc. And plaese do not say religion STARTS all wars, because that is a whole other thread/story where we would also present a strong argument. I think it is yo who are living in a fantasy if you believe everything is all hunky dory at this time..
And yes i know atheists do not want to kill anyone, but you do have your views. It is the 2 sides that will recruit you that are gonna be doing the fighting. Either the satanist elitest under a guise of truthful allies, or religion under the guise of religious zealots. There is truths and falsehood in both sides, but i know one thing thats right and that is the elite satanist believe in an immoral way of life that has roots in what most would consider 'bad things' all represented as something very appealing and good. Or the religious way of life which is very strict and hard way of life with roots grounded on scriptures that dictate mostly if not all 'good things', but will be represented in a very bad way. Im sure you can use the evidence of society we are living in to see what i mean. And if not, it wont take much research to figure it out.
Lastly i just want to say, you should know most if not all of the greatest minds on earth that have ever lived, were spiritual, either from 1 of the 2 sides. The first step would be to ask why these people believed in what they did, and you will come to a decision outside athiesm. And to lastly add, those with a middle ground, who have lived a balanced life of good an bad or neither, in islam and christianity to there is another place called the Heights ( i think it has other names im not sure at the moment) where people belong who neither fit the criteria of heaven and hell, but this is an odd place because most would fit either side, or be declared for purgatory. Anyway i digress..
Originally posted by Condemned1990
reply to post by Sparky63
You have misunderstood my point entirely, just like SaturnFX did. I doesn't matter if they don't act on their beliefs and agreements. Most of them still AGREE with the torture of unbelievers in a hell and they openly ADVOCATE it because it's in their "holy" books.
You cherry-picked quotes from my paragraphs and placed them near each other. Did you not read the entire thing? Did you not read the part about Satanism and Paganism being religions that generally do NOT advocate the atrocities that christianity and islam do? That's a major fallacy on your part, cherry-picking particular quotes that you don't like instead of reading the entire statement and understanding it based on how I present it. Now you're going off topic and claiming that my "philosophy" is "nonsense" (according to me?). That sounds like a philosophy or belief of your own -- the belief that my opinions are quotes from mainstream music. I'm still not even sure what your point is. You argue in circles, cherry-pick quotes, fail to understand the entire message and present a fallacious argument that is irrelevant to mine. Are you done? Would you mind considering reading all of my words instead of small portions of them? I have to go to the store, so I'll be back later to read your response. If your response is still the same flawed argument, we're done. Think first, then reply.
Originally posted by DaWhiz
Originally posted by Condemned1990
reply to post by DaWhiz
I'm not quoting mainstream music. For your information, I hate mainstream music. If you can prove that I am doing what you think I'm doing, please do so. Otherwise, stop concluding nonsense just because you misunderstand.
No, you are the one concluding nonsense and you are now off topic. Why?
Can't take what you dished out. Those were YOUR quotes.
And yes the conclusions were from YOUR quotes.
Therefore,
Your philsophy is nonsense according to you!
My mistake. I forgot to include belief in my statement. Yes, I would slaughter not only people who agree with and advocate torture for unbelievers and "sinners", but people who merely believe it as well.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Condemned1990
Most of them still AGREE with the torture of unbelievers in a hell and they openly ADVOCATE it because it's in their "holy" books.
You are confusing AGREEING to or WANTING something with BELIEVING in something. Its not the same thing. They can believe all unbelievers and sinners will be tortured in hell without agreeing or wanting it, they may even not want it, but its not their decision what their god wants and they dont have the power to influence it.
Someone can for example believe global warming is true but still not wanting it to be that way, IF he had a choice. But what he wants does not matter to what he considers real.
Therefore this, therefore that. You just made an unproven conclusion of your own. Therefore, you just concluded something about me that is merely an opinion and cannot be demonstrated as a fact. Cut the bull****.
Originally posted by Equinox99
Originally posted by Condemned1990
reply to post by Sparky63
You have misunderstood my point entirely, just like SaturnFX did. I doesn't matter if they don't act on their beliefs and agreements. Most of them still AGREE with the torture of unbelievers in a hell and they openly ADVOCATE it because it's in their "holy" books.
It seems as though you haven't spoken to any of THEM or done a survey for the matter to be able to come to a solid conclusion.
Therefore, I would say that you are not a rational thinker because you like to use a broad brush and group everyone together.
Sure some may advocate hell but it isn't just for unbelievers, according to them. It is for anyone who commits a sin, which is not true at all. And most of us don't agree with torture for anyone for that matter! We have fundamentalists, just like you are a fundamentalist for your side.
Originally posted by corquando
I find it interesting that the majority of those who propose elimination solutions behave in precisely the same way as the "religious oppressors" they so vehemently deplore. I suppose a lack of faith is just as rotten an excuse to engage in genocide as is a misapplication of faith.edit on 14-12-2010 by corquando because: extra "the"