What do you think about psychiatric meds?

Originally posted by Xiamara
reply to post by Danbones

 

The thing is, you don't understand the biochemistry they do. There are instances PATIENT specific, that you would not understand because you don't have a medical license or training of any kind. If reading gets you a degree well I would be an Biotechnologist , Psychiatrist, Molecular chemist, Nutritionist, neurologist,doctor, enviromental specialist and a physicist on the side .

I'm not though and would never proclaim to be one or give advice to people who REALLY DO need medical help. I'm not experienced nor licensed so I can only say don't listen to these people who will give you flawed information who don't know your own medical history go to your doctor discuss this with them and hey maybe they will suggest something different doctors do have souls and haven't sold out to drug companies speak up and ask them their opinion on the material.

The center piece of my home town is a massive mental health center and prison for the criminally insane.
Now we also have a "super jail"
I have been dealing with their mistakes and other out patients for years in various capacities...
principly in the bar biz.
I have more "fist" hand experience at dealing with the psychotic patients and sadistically insane guards and pill docs then I ever wanted.

if you have mood problems
tread carefully
there are more messed up cranks in the health care and pharma complex then there should be.

Xiamara your opinion regarding vitamines and natural remedies with no references
might be very harmful to impressionable vulnerable people,
so please be mindful of your own advice.
( don't mean to be rude)

to everyone else
insist on reading the inserts of any drug and get on the net and read
taking your mind of the problem and focusing on a solution can be a major step forward all by itself

reply to post by Xiamara


On the liver ...

You know the story: Don’t drink too much. But keep in mind, your liver is one tough hunk of disgusting-looking flesh. It’s likely to handle all the abuse you can give it. One common practice it doesn’t like, however, is the hangover Tylenol. Beat back a morning headache with this drug—the liver’s nemesis—and you’ll really feel the pain. “If you’re a chronic alcohol drinker,” says Dr. Sanjiv Chopra, dean for continuing education at Harvard Medical School, “taking just six Extra Strength Tylenol at one time can destroy your liver.”

www.maxim.com...

Watch those T3's, "doc".

Originally posted by Danbones
if you have mood problems
tread carefully
there are more messed up cranks in the health care and pharma complex then there should be.

Heh, I think there's a reason for that.

People who are messed up themselves are naturally interested in psychology.

Unfortunately they often get into the business of helping other people before they have figured out themselves.

They're a good thing as long as they're used properly. These drugs aren't designed to be used for an extended period of time, just like any drug isn't designed to be used for an extended period of time. Instead, they must be combined with a healthy dose of psychotherapy. Every study I have read on the topic finds that the greatest improvements are gained when meds are combined with cognitive-behavioral therapy, as well as having the lowest relapse rate. For most disorders ten weeks of CBT is enough to cause it to go into relapse.

There are two things that must be added to the above. This only refers to the minor disorders, such as anxiety and depression. Bipolar and schizophrenia are seldom fixed through psychotherapy. Secondly, if you think you may have a mental disorder go see a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist. Too many people simply go see their GP when they think they're depressed, anxious, etc. and this has lead to overdiagnosis and overprescription of drugs. You wouldn't see a cardiologist if you think you have cancer, so why would you see a doctor whose specialty isn't psychology if you think you're suffering from a psychological disorder?

Originally posted by Northwarden
reply to post by Xiamara

 

On the liver ...

You know the story: Don’t drink too much. But keep in mind, your liver is one tough hunk of disgusting-looking flesh. It’s likely to handle all the abuse you can give it. One common practice it doesn’t like, however, is the hangover Tylenol. Beat back a morning headache with this drug—the liver’s nemesis—and you’ll really feel the pain. “If you’re a chronic alcohol drinker,” says Dr. Sanjiv Chopra, dean for continuing education at Harvard Medical School, “taking just six Extra Strength Tylenol at one time can destroy your liver.”

www.maxim.com...

Watch those T3's, "doc".

Doesn't the doctor recommended part of the tylenol sales pitch just scare you silly?
like dentist recommended toothpaste with flouride
(may cause discoloration which your dentist can remove)

Originally posted by NewlyAwakened

Originally posted by Danbones
if you have mood problems
tread carefully
there are more messed up cranks in the health care and pharma complex then there should be.

Heh, I think there's a reason for that.

People who are messed up themselves are naturally interested in psychology.

Unfortunately they often get into the business of helping other people before they have figured out themselves.

edit on 13-12-2010 by NewlyAwakened because: (no reason given)

star that
also there are those that want power over others too...
or a two car garage with a swiming pool.

I can say Paxil saved my life.
And now Amytriptiline and citalopram are making me function better with than without.
I'm a chronic pain sufferer. Taking these does not make my pain go away, it makes me able to get through it. Pills to take the pain away would be nice, but also they would affect my thinking and life in adverse ways so avoid taking anything like that.

reply to post by Danbones


I'm just saying Instead of getting info from a forum and taking it without consulting your doctor can be very bad. AS for my opinions on vitamins and such, I believe in them I just make sure I know whats in them and if it will affect other things. Which can happen.

reply to post by NewlyAwakened


I'm not a "doc" don't claim to be one I preach talking to them.To find out what works best for YOU.

As for my T3's I do need them otherwise I'm bed ridden unable to look at light, sleep, nausea, can't walk, as I am dizzy so I sit in bed wanting to take a drill to my head to relieve the pain which has no cause as of yet.

So my medication for ME helps ME. Its not for you, and I'd rather get back to working and life and suffer liver damage than sit in bed wishing I could die. If you want to know how bad the pain is they thought I had a brain tumor, that was causing my brain to swell. Its unbearable pain, when I get migraines they last from 4-10 days of constant pain.

reply to post by stars15k


chronic pain is a very difficult thing for the patient and the doctor to deal with.
I hope you find a soluition
pain sets the boundries best to have some hopefullly not to much.


I used laser therapy to quit smoking
I had used welbutrin
Then I found out first hand what these drugs are all about
some people should not take them period
and I am one of them.

After what the medical community said about acupuncture
and then when I compare the results
laser acupuncture is 90 plus
welbutrin is about the same as cold turkey 20s
it pays to look around

reply to post by Xiamara


Well for sure if a person doesn't trust their own judgement, find someone whos judgement you can trust.
that is when people are the most vulnerable

to add to my post above
OHIP, Ontario health care covers welbutrin but not the therapy that works
go figure.
they don't really want you to quit smoking they wantto scare you into paying more taxes.
whiich is exactly what they did.
The graphic warnings are classic death wish advertizing.

In japan most men smoke, but their heart attack rate is almost nill compared to non smoking north americans.
just to show what diet and life style can do...

reply to post by Danbones


Along these lines, I hear you ...

75% OF THE PHYSICIANS REFUSES CHEMOTHERAPY THEMSELVES
www.curenaturalicancro.com...

Or to turn that around ...

Are You Taking The Drugs That Doctors Refuse To?

www.digitaljournal.com...

This is promising ...

Tylenol is one of those products you just expect to be around forever, but that might not be the case.

The brand is in serious trouble, and if Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) doesn't do something about it, Tylenol is doomed.

In the internal-analgesics market, the company's sales and market share are down 65% from a year ago, according to Advertising Age. This is a crisis on par with the 80% market share drop Tylenol suffered after its tablets were laced with cyanide in 1982.

articles.moneycentral.msn.com...,1779426

If only that could include J&J too, the corporate root of this problem.

reply to post by NewlyAwakened


Psychotropic drugs are the same types of drugs as the street level coc aine, mdma, ecstasy, and etc. The only difference is that the government and big companies can make money off these drugs and the other is illegal due to ignorance.

When I started researching psychotropic drugs it turned out that mdma in its purest form is safer than these pills they prescribe. '___' is a much safer drug to treat patients than many of these drugs.

It used to be, when '___' first came out, that people would take a little than sit and talk to psychiatrists, spilling their guts and having miracle breakthroughs. Than it turned into group meetings where everyone would take '___' under the watchful eyes of the psychiatrist and nurses where everyone would spill their guts and talk. Than it turned into a recreational drug which the government deemed deadly and it was taken off the shelf.

MDMA has a similar story. It started out as a psychiatric miracle drug than when people used it as a recreational drug the government deemed it unsafe. When in reality, it is safer than 90% of the psychotropic drugs that are prescribed today.

The funny thing is that there are less deaths on MDMA, Cannabis, and '___' than there are on drinking alone and if you add these all up they have a less mortality rate than tobacco.

Strange isn't?

Originally posted by Xiamara
I'm not a "doc" don't claim to be one I preach talking to them.To find out what works best for YOU.

As for my T3's I do need them otherwise I'm bed ridden unable to look at light, sleep, nausea, can't walk, as I am dizzy so I sit in bed wanting to take a drill to my head to relieve the pain which has no cause as of yet.

So my medication for ME helps ME. Its not for you, and I'd rather get back to working and life and suffer liver damage than sit in bed wishing I could die. If you want to know how bad the pain is they thought I had a brain tumor, that was causing my brain to swell. Its unbearable pain, when I get migraines they last from 4-10 days of constant pain.

That sounds pretty rough. I say do what works for you; that's basically my opinion on this stuff too.

I mean I started this thread to ask the opinions of others, to see if maybe there's something in their experience that might resonate with me so I can try something different, but ultimately if you know something works for you and have a plan then stick with it, and so far that seems to be my plan too.

reply to post by Equinox99

I hear you. Actually I've experimented with psychedelics myself, though only (semi-)legal ones like 4-aco-dmt. I've found that stuff in particular helps a lot (especially when I do it outside in nature) and am trying to get my hands on more of it.

reply to post by NewlyAwakened


Be sure to be as careful as possible. Using these kinds of drugs will leave you dependent on them to use everytime you get depressed. It may seem like the most wonderful, and it may be, but it is just an illusion. When you come down it is the worst time in the world. Remember, you leave the euphoric state and enter a state of depression, maybe not after the first use but if you continually use it.

tl;dr

Yes of course they put you out of touch with yourself, generally you require these medications because you're in touch with a part of yourself that you're struggling to understand or come to terms with.
These medications (ssris in particular) also detract from/remove your bodies ability to metabolize substances that can actually treat the ROOT of many mental disorders (psilocybin, mdma) by competing for 5-HTC serotonin receptor sites.

For more information visit MAPS and Entheogenesis Australis

Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
I just want to pick ya'all's brains on this, those of you with experience especially.

What do you think of psychiatric medications, such as SSRIs and atypical antipsychotics?

I know it's kind of a broad question. My concerns revolve around whether they put you out of touch with your "true self" or "instinctual core" or spirituality. But really any opinions/experiences related to meds I would love to hear.

I think that if you need them, you need them. But at the same time there is a push by doctors to give these drugs out to people when it is not always what they need. I don't know what the purpose for that would be. maybe they make more money that way... But that has been a growing problem with psychiatric in the past few decades... Drug then rather than treat them....

But again if you need them you need them.

reply to post by Equinox99


No, you won't become dependent (mentally OR physically) on any psychedelics (where the hell did you read that garbage?) nor will you experience any 'comedown' related to the exhaustion of serotonin or dopamine reserves, most users report a solid 'afterglow' effect for days after a beneficial experience.

Stop spreading your ill researched crap regarding these substances.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
I just want to pick ya'all's brains on this, those of you with experience especially.

What do you think of psychiatric medications, such as SSRIs and atypical antipsychotics?

I know it's kind of a broad question. My concerns revolve around whether they put you out of touch with your "true self" or "instinctual core" or spirituality. But really any opinions/experiences related to meds I would love to hear.

I think that if you need them, you need them. But at the same time there is a push by doctors to give these drugs out to people when it is not always what they need. I don't know what the purpose for that would be. maybe they make more money that way... But that has been a growing problem with psychiatric in the past few decades... Drug then rather than treat them....

But again if you need them you need them.

yeah, but how do you know if you need them? tests? what tests? Anybody here ever been tested for a an imbalance? I haven't. Maybe some have... if so and they can prove you need it, by all means but I think the majority of the time, they are simply guessing because the person is unhappy/here take a pill.

Originally posted by Northwarden
reply to post by Xiamara

 

On the liver ...

You know the story: Don’t drink too much. But keep in mind, your liver is one tough hunk of disgusting-looking flesh. It’s likely to handle all the abuse you can give it. One common practice it doesn’t like, however, is the hangover Tylenol. Beat back a morning headache with this drug—the liver’s nemesis—and you’ll really feel the pain. “If you’re a chronic alcohol drinker,” says Dr. Sanjiv Chopra, dean for continuing education at Harvard Medical School, “taking just six Extra Strength Tylenol at one time can destroy your liver.”

www.maxim.com...

Watch those T3's, "doc".

After Heart surgery my surgeon prescribed up to 8
Vicodin per day, which is a tylenol extra strength with a little
codeine . I am quite sure it is the codeine which does most of the pain relief.
Even the FDA says 4 can be fatal. Whereas OPIATES are one of the safest drugs every discovered, except they are addicting.
500 americans die each year and many more are poisoned by
acetaminophen.

Psychotropic meds dont really work, Anti depressents dont cure depression,they turn you into a zombie.
They should be the last resort.

And I , and I alone, have The Real Cure For Schizophrenia, just google it. The medical profession doesnt even have a theory as to what it is.