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Originally posted by jaynkeel
Bravo, Bravo, You know how to look up the meanings of words. Now I think Manning although detained at the current moment in time will be arrested and convicted. But thats not what the discussion is about, The discussion is about Wikileaks supporters cyber-attacking paypal. Answer me this if you can. Why does this question get bumped to the side in every thread. Why don't the people that strongly support Wikileaks and Assange take out their aggression with the people "causing" the problems? Example the United States government? I have yet to see people march down to their offices and establishments and demand change, as anyone can hide behind a computer and spout out words of hate and cyber attack. If people feel that strongly about the situation they wouldn't be silenced through net censoring and such? Or is it just easier for people to sit in their homes and complain? There is a reason why when unions protest they do it in person not behind a computer. And no this method does not have to include any kind of violence.
Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
reply to post by BigTimeCheater
Im saying my business is set up with paypal, and that is how I make my living. So, while you guys are laughing and rubbing your hands..im wondering how the hell Im going to pay my electric bill.
Originally posted by hadriana
I think it's a big early to resort to all out cyberwar.
It is interesting though, how many might be ready to over #wikileaks.
Civil disobedience and passive resistance should ALWAYS be used before any criminal activity.
Instead of attacking paypal's bandwidth, maybe write them a letter and let them know how ticked you are.
They wouldn't listen, so what would need to happen is get some personal email addresses and mailing addresses of their bigwigs.
Talking far and wide about any negative experiences you might have had with them, honest experiences, is another way to hurt them without resorting to criminal attacks. I think about everyone's that dealt with PayPal for any length of time has had a bad experience, no?
Their verification caused me to get scammed once. Scammers can use the post office's willingness to get mail to the right place no matter if the address is messed up to totally bork their safety system.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by jaynkeel
Bravo, Bravo, You know how to look up the meanings of words. Now I think Manning although detained at the current moment in time will be arrested and convicted. But thats not what the discussion is about, The discussion is about Wikileaks supporters cyber-attacking paypal. Answer me this if you can. Why does this question get bumped to the side in every thread. Why don't the people that strongly support Wikileaks and Assange take out their aggression with the people "causing" the problems? Example the United States government? I have yet to see people march down to their offices and establishments and demand change, as anyone can hide behind a computer and spout out words of hate and cyber attack. If people feel that strongly about the situation they wouldn't be silenced through net censoring and such? Or is it just easier for people to sit in their homes and complain? There is a reason why when unions protest they do it in person not behind a computer. And no this method does not have to include any kind of violence.
You THINK Maning WILL BE convicted - so as of now he is NOT a criminal.
In any case, according to your government, you are considered a dissenter, possibly a terrorist for even participating on ATS, which, if you remember, has been specifically cited by TPTB as a banned site. So, based on your own logic, that makes you too a criminal. Watch out!
Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by jibeho
I'd highly recommend you establish and report the facts correctly.
manning is detained, not arrested, there is a huge difference between the two...
detained: de·tain (d-tn)
tr.v. de·tained, de·tain·ing, de·tains
1. To keep from proceeding; delay or retard.
2. To keep in custody or temporary confinement: The police detained several suspects for questioning. The disruptive students were detained after school until their parents had been notified.
3. Obsolete To retain or withhold (payment or property, for example).
arrested: An arrest is the act of depriving a person of his or her liberty usually in relation to the investigation and prevention of crime. The term is Anglo-Norman in origin and is related to the French word arrêt, meaning "stop".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrested
Having been stopped or prevented from developing
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arrested
arrest - collar: take into custody; "the police nabbed the suspected criminals"
arrest - check: hold back, as of a danger or an enemy; check the expansion or influence of; "Arrest the downward trend"; "Check the growth of communism in South East Asia"; "Contain the rebel movement"; "Turn back the tide of communism"
arrest - catch: attract and fix; "His look caught her"; "She caught his eye"; "Catch the attention of the waiter"
arrest - apprehension: the act of apprehending (especially apprehending a criminal); "the policeman on the beat got credit for the collar"
arrest - halt: cause to stop; "Halt the engines"; "Arrest the progress"; "halt the presses"
arrest - the state of inactivity following an interruption; "the negotiations were in arrest"; "held them in check"; "during the halt he got some lunch"; "the momentary stay enabled him to escape the blow"; "he spent the entire stop in his seat"
source: www.google.com...:Arrested&sa=X&ei=wS39TKP_HZC0sAPjs8n3DQ&ved=0CBoQkAE
heres the true story....
source;abcnews.go.com...
nice try with the one sided attempt: but a major one view FAIL!
Originally posted by jibeho
This is a free market! If PP wants to sever its business relationship with Wikileaks that is their right to do so based on the nefarious activity of WL. So, poor little Wiki and its lemmings want revenge. Mind numbing!! Apparently, none of these lemmings have ever worked for or even run a business.
Relationships and contracts end all of the time for various reasons. In this case PP is motivated to cut off WL based on its criminal activity. Time to throw the book at all of them including those seeking to attack PP.
Just because they hide behind a computer in their parent's basements does change the legality of their actions. All crimes have victims. No way to rationalize out of that fact. I know several small business owners who earn a portion of their income via Pay Pal. No need for them to change their provider just because some punks want unwarranted revenge. For those who defend the attackers of PayPay... you are just supporting more criminal activity. Time to raise the criminality bar for cyber attackers and treat them as the crooks that they are.
Don't just cut it off, or you'll just piss people off and we'll lose their support. And if we do, we'll lose the war.
Originally posted by TheAmused
Terrorism The entire wikileak clan is Terrorist.
If i get charged with rape....I will release the doomsday files...
ect..ect...
Now they are hacking paypal..to get even.
If that isnt Terrorism what is?
And you find it funny this Sexual criminal has so many Great hackers to do his dirty work with out him sayign a word...
Bullcrap the man and his entire WIKILEAK group are terrorist and if you think he is good.. Your a terrorist sympathizer and a complete waste of keyboard to even speak on here with.
Originally posted by TheAmused
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by jaynkeel
Bravo, Bravo, You know how to look up the meanings of words. Now I think Manning although detained at the current moment in time will be arrested and convicted. But thats not what the discussion is about, The discussion is about Wikileaks supporters cyber-attacking paypal. Answer me this if you can. Why does this question get bumped to the side in every thread. Why don't the people that strongly support Wikileaks and Assange take out their aggression with the people "causing" the problems? Example the United States government? I have yet to see people march down to their offices and establishments and demand change, as anyone can hide behind a computer and spout out words of hate and cyber attack. If people feel that strongly about the situation they wouldn't be silenced through net censoring and such? Or is it just easier for people to sit in their homes and complain? There is a reason why when unions protest they do it in person not behind a computer. And no this method does not have to include any kind of violence.
You THINK Maning WILL BE convicted - so as of now he is NOT a criminal.
In any case, according to your government, you are considered a dissenter, possibly a terrorist for even participating on ATS, which, if you remember, has been specifically cited by TPTB as a banned site. So, based on your own logic, that makes you too a criminal. Watch out!
He would be convicted IF HE wasn't running from Prosecution!!!
He has even said himself if he get's arrested for the rape charge's ..He will release doomsday files on the usa.
He is a rapist terrorist and lord knows what else.
Originally posted by derfred33
reply to post by PuterMan
this may be the first open cyber revolution. interesting would be how this develops into the real world. or it will just be an excuse to cripple the internet a a tool of free speech ?