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Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
It's not suppression, its accountability for the potential aftermath that I am addressing.
Originally posted by Dagar
The responsibility for the aftermath lies, not with those who reveal truth but with those who lied in the first place.
Originally posted by NoAngel2u
reply to post by the_denv
Would you mind please telling me the best program to download the files. I have downloaded them and all I come up with is an empty file.
Originally posted by Dagar
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
It's not suppression, its accountability for the potential aftermath that I am addressing.
The responsibility for the aftermath lies, not with those who reveal truth but with those who lied in the first place.
As an example ... The responsibility for any consequences from revealing a diplomatic cable that contains lies, deception, or insult falls squarely on the person(s) telling the lies, deceiving, or insulting.
The truth can only have consequences when people lie, cheat, act illegally or dishonorably. Don't want the consequences, don't behave in that manner, then complain when you're found out
To put it simply ... don't shoot the messenger, for the consequences of the revealed impropriety, blame those who created the message.
Personally I think this whole culture of government secrecy, and hiding any potential embarrassment under the flag of 'National Security' has to end. Perhaps Wikileaks is the beginning of that end.
Originally posted by the_denv
What files? The insurance file, or the I2P and/or Peerblocker files? If its the insurance files, then the guy that replied to you was correct, you can't open them until you got the key. The program to open them is OpenSSL, and the best operating system to use would be Linux in my honest opinion. Most distro's have OpenSSL in the system already.
Der Spiegel has posted a Q&A about the 'Embassy Files' release. Among the details:
Included are 251,287 cables and 8,000 diplomatic directives
One cable dates back to 1966, but most are newer than 2004
9,005 documents date from the first two months of 2010
Der Spiegel, The New York Times, The Guardian, Le Monde and El País have had access to the files and reviewed them.
None of the documents are classified 'Top Secret', but only 'Secret' at the highest clssification rating. This was also confirmed by Politico's White House correspondent Mike Allen on Twitter, quoting the US administration. According to Der Spiegel, just over half of the cables are not subject to classification, 40.5 percent are classified as "confidential" and only six percent or 15,652 dispatches as "secret." 2.5 million U.S. employees have access to SIPRNET material, where these cables originated.
Originally posted by Soshh
reply to post by wcitizen
I understand that you would want to oust or embarrass or in some way damage people that you would regard as being evil or deceitful etc, who wouldn’t? The problem is that if anyone is damaged or embarrassed or worse, the vast majority will be perfectly ordinary people who have done nothing wrong.
A few, very bad people damaged at the expense of a great many more innocent ones, where have we heard that before? Would you not choose to avoid the possibility of that happening (again) if you could? If the bad guys are targeted effectively and negative consequences are minimised or eliminated, then good times, but I doubt that will be the case.
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
I may know John has a weak heart, but tell him his wife was cheating on him anyway. Directly causing the heart attack that kills him. A philosophical debate and beside the point, of course. But John is just as dead. Philosophy be damned.
Originally posted by the_denv
reply to post by windwaker
Use I2P or Peerblock to disguise your IP when downloading a torrent.
Tonight or tomorrow the files are meant to be released, its Sunday [AM//GMT] here. I have a feeling the files will be released any time soon, around the next few hours (-10hours or so). Can't wait to get my teeth sank into them.
Wikileaks - First Intelligence Agency of the People!
I am a bit worried about the D-level though, but this is a test folks; if we shut up now and don't help make those files go viral, and research them to find things out and expose them - then all is lost. Finally we the people get to play ball and I don't mean fragging rags!
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Ok as per my other thread I asked these basic questions regarding the wikileaks. Seems something major is about to break stay tuned.
I have to ask myself this....
Who would have the most to gain by releasing the info?
1. Some geeky internet do gooders?
2. The Republicans trying to drag the present administration across the coals even though it has exposed other actions by the previous administration?
3. China or Russia or both in an attempt to expose what goes on in back room maneuvers in order to put the US in a bad light?
Also I haven't read anybody thus far bring up the very real possibility that by Wiki releasing this information that it could possibly not only expose US wrong doing but also expose some rather embarrassing information about...
US/Chinese/Russian/_____
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by SLAYER69
Or maybe it's just the release of various every day cables from one country to another that usually involves some sensitive data. I've lost a lot of faith in Wikileaks, much of what they have provided lately is far less incriminating than their old stuff and more importantly they seem to be focused on the wars stuff and they have forgotten much of the corporate exposure they used to throw out. They managed to cause major trouble for a number of banks with their releases but this sort of stuff has been less important to them it seems.