Art Exhibit Depicting Jesus in a Sex Act Sparks Outrage in Colorado

Originally posted by Fury1984
I suppose nothing is off limits anymore. It's sad that people don't have common courtesy for others beliefs. I remember when the "art" piece called Piss Christ was on display. It was Jesus soaked in urine. What is this supposed to represent?

Well, Piss Christ was exclusively to, ha, piss people off. That artist's whole schtick was (is?) pushing boundaries.

I've read this thread from start to finish, and wonder how your Gods would interperate the sad display of finger pointing and "my gods better than your god" displays being shown here.

What this thread has taught me is we really have not come very far in our understanding of what is important and that which is not.

Do you really believe your supreme entities give a toss about drawings made by monkeys with sticks. I doubt it.

Look, even if your religion was real, grow the *snip* up. Some people make art, why care? Freedom of speech trumps freedom of religion EVERY TIME. We wouldn't need freedom of religion if all humans had the same rights to begin with. Freedom of religion isn't exclusively for dogmatic censorship, so quit bitching at a simple inconvenience to your beliefs. convert to the disbelief of spoon fed *snip*; the church of *snip*.

Eh I can only speak as a Christian not all Christians but this is my opinion.
First off I don't know what sexual act Christ is shown in but assuming it is Heterosexual in nature I don't see much of a problem with it.
The reason I say this (and it may not be the artist intention) is this.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that Christ was not married. HOWEVER based on the fact that Christ was a Jewish Rabbi (The whole reason for the baptism) he would have been expected to get married.
Now some folks might say, "Well the Bible does not mention Christ having a wife." My response would be this. "The Bible don't mention Moses taking a crap either but I am sure he did." In effect Christ being Married has no bearing whatsoever on his Ministry or his life. Just like it was assumed Moses would have a bowel movement it should be safely assumed Christ was married. The question should really be, Why was the Artist so conserned about Jesus' Love life? Voyeur much?

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reply to post by Seeker PI


Actually, in the book of 1 Kings the Prophet Elijah did just that. He called out some pagans who were worshipping false gods and challenged their gods' validity. The cult couldnt get their gods to do anything, and so Elijah, a prophet, made fun of their god telling them to shout louder for perhaps their god was sleeping or using the bathroom. The group began to cut themselves and do all sorts of crazy stuff but nothing happened. Then Elijah said a prayer and fire came down from Heaven and burned up not only the offering but all the water he had poured over it and that had overflowed into the moat he dug around the alter.

So to your first point, God sometimes participates in those "My God is better than your god" moments.

And if you have a faith, it should be the most important thing to you, otherwise why believe it at all? I dont think the people that are mad about this have their priorities wrong at all. If they are spending more time on this than they have actually helpiomng the less fortunate then yes, priorities should be addressed, but that does not mean insults and sheer disrespect need to be completely overlooked.

While I disagree with artists depiction, it is a free country. The only thing that bugs me is people not having the common decency to respect others culture or beliefs. Why must we always do things to provoke one another?

To you it may be harmless but to me it is offensive. Not that I'd worship a painting or a cross, but others do.

This world is gone to the toilet because no one has sympathy to anthers' feelings. I don't want to trample on freedom of speech but we all deserve some respect!

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If one of my friends were to take some artistic pictures of me kicking the good professor's head in, would I qualify for a grant as well ?

Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by Solasis

 

I just read the first couple of lines of your post in the first page. I don't need to read more to tell you, as a christian, you are twisted.

But I'm not a Christian.

reply to post by Mykahel


I genuinely appreciate your insight and thankyou for your response.

I'am not a believer but will always respect others beliefs and will never attack that which I do not subscribe to, so its difficult for me to respond without causing offense and taking the thread in a completely different direction.

That said I have always had a problem with bowing the knee to any entity that has an ego, and when that divine ego wants to tell me that it is superior my senses tell me that it is a sign of weakness not becoming a supreme being.

Consequently I still wonder why your god would have a problem with disparaging images. I think it is man NOT GOD that has the issue.

reply to post by Seeker PI


Hey, so far so good without being disrespectful. I've talked with plenty of people here who completely disagreed with me in terms of faith and we have had completely civil conversations. As you can tell from this thread though that mutual respect has been lacking in many of the posts. I'm not completely innocent of it in this thread either though.

Anyway, God doesn't like people misusing His name and that sort of thing (One of the commandments) so I'm sure disrespectful images are really on the list of things He cares for. Either way, I think its also perfectly reasonable for any person to feel angry and hurt when somebody they care about is disrespected in such a way. Many of us look at God in a father figure sort of way, and for somebody to disrespect a father is quite the insult. Hopefully that gives you a fresh perspective. Either way, have a good one.

Originally posted by Seeker PI
reply to post by Mykahel

 

I genuinely appreciate your insight and thankyou for your response.

I'am not a believer but will always respect others beliefs and will never attack that which I do not subscribe to, so its difficult for me to respond without causing offense and taking the thread in a completely different direction.

That said I have always had a problem with bowing the knee to any entity that has an ego, and when that divine ego wants to tell me that it is superior my senses tell me that it is a sign of weakness not becoming a supreme being.

Consequently I still wonder why your god would have a problem with disparaging images. I think it is man NOT GOD that has the issue.

As someone who beliees in God, has had a lifelong friendship with Jesus and has been in the arms of God during a "near death experience," I totally agree with you. Jesus let us know what is most important to god. He told us in Matthew 25 that all who care for the needy will go to heaven, and none who don't will.

He also told us not to judge and to worry about our own sins rather than those of others.

I can't help wondering, with so many insisting the artist should show tolerance, why don't they set the example and be tolerant towards the artist and his work?

If Christianity can be the cause of such hatred, anger and lawbreaking, perhaps Christianity, as it is presently practised, has no place in a civilized society.

reply to post by Kailassa

If Christianity can be the cause of such hatred, anger and lawbreaking, perhaps Christianity, as it is presently practised, has no place in a civilized society.

I believe that all religions should adopt the self same precept that you have presented.

MYKAHEL:

Your response is what gives me hope for mankind

Hopefully that gives you a fresh perspective. Either way, have a good one.

Lets talk and at the very least atempt to understand one another.

May your God keep you both close to his/hers/its heart.

Pi.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by adifferentbreed

 

Its funny how none of the people who complain about this public funded porn will likely stop supporting the artwork by stop paying their taxes that fund it. People complain about public funded porn, the Iraq wars, and countless other wastes of money, but the number of people who actually stop supporting it (which can only be done by not paying taxes) is next to zero.

Public art funding of any kind is a waste of money as far as I'm concerned is offensive, and I for one don't support any of it with either my words or my actions. Go ahead and call me crazy but as far as I'm concerned its the only position that makes any sense.

Any organization that is not doing good cannot claim to be any kind of legitimate government, and if you are giving money to it it is not "paying taxes" but rather bribing a crime syndicate so that they don't destroy your life.

You have a valid point.

The only things that keep me paying my taxes are the facts that they take it out of my paycheck and add it onto my bills for goods and services that I receive. That, and.....

I don't want to go to jail. There was a popular brand of potato chips made in the area where I live, but you can't get them anymore. The guy who owned the company went the Freeman route and didn't pay his taxes. That was 15 years ago, I believe he is still in jail.

edit on 6-10-2010 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)

Truthquest-

I searched for info for the guy, His name was Horace Groff. He had connections to the Montana Freemen. Try searching Lancaster County, PA. The Lancaster Intelligencer Journal is the one paper in the area. The link is to the ADL, AND they got his name wrong, so take all that with a grain of salt. But the story was in the news back in the mid-1990's. You may also want to try WGAL TV in Lancaster, PA.

Calender of Conspiracy

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by facelift

 

" You lag...so, the same people of faith who replicate, or at least try, the sexual act 'on occasion' can find time to be offended that da' man was potrayed in the same very way..? "

What Exactly do you mean by that ? To Portray a Religious Figurehead of ANY FAITH in that way is a Direct Attack on People of Faith . It is Offensive , Uncivil , and outright Mean . If you cannot see that then GOD Help you..........

Alright, I have to check in here. You say, and I quote,
"ANY FAITH in that way is a Direct Attack on People of Faith . It is Offensive , Uncivil , and outright Mean"

OK, I am a Wiccan, and I worship the Goddess. Every Christian I have ever spoken to about my relationship with the Goddess, I get things like "there is no Goddess," and "she is the Whore of Babylon," and other degrading things. What, pray tell is the difference here? If a Christian, or a Muslim can say that another man's Deity is something other than divine, and paint and depict Her as they do.....I say anyone has a perfect right to depict Christ and Muhammad in any way they please. What is good for the goose is good for the gander also. To even think for a second that Christ did not have sex is crazy. I'll bet he and Miriam probably got it on every night. To not have sex in those days would quickly get you stoned as a homosexual, they still do this in some parts of Arabia today. And of course anyone can see how women are treated by these organized religions. Badly, and made to be subservient to the man. Time to wake up, women, and push the man aside and take your place.

reply to post by autowrench


Maybe before Jesus' time, but during his lifetime there were many who were choosing to remain celibate. A lot of it was the result of the gnostic movements going on, proclaiming the flesh to be evil and the spirit to be good, making it a common practice to deny the fleshly pleasures.

I find it rude and insulting when a person mocks my God, but that is something that I knew would happen from the beginning, and that I would receive insult for it as well. There is a difference to me though when somebody simply says or teaches that they believe my God is this or that based on things that they have actually perceived, such as a misunderstanding about the wrathful side of God. What really bothers me is when people make completely baseless claims for the sole purpose of insulting me, my faith or my God.

Now I know this picture was, according to the artist, not meant to ridicule God or Jesus but the catholic church itself for its hypocritical and vile behavior. If that was truly the case I still think he should have simply drawn the pope or something and not Christ. As it is, it is just a revolting insult to those of us with faith.

I will admit though, I do need to re-evaluate how roughly I treat Islam. I understand how hard it can be to remain respectful of a thing you despise and disagree with so greatly, especially when you believe it is harmful to others.

Edit: Also, during the time of Christ women were still often considered to be of less value then men, but that is not at all what Jesus taught or what the church is supposed to practice. Jesus talked with many women and had many following him and his disciples. It's recorded in some of the non-canonical books like the gospel of thomas that some of the disciples still thought of women as worthless. Women are to submit to their husbands according to scripture, but men are also supposed to love their wives. This is a flaky, "I love you now but I'll neglect you later and eventually divorce you because all I wanted was your body anyway" but it is a love of "I am willing to give up everything for you, even my very life." Couples that live in this way often have very strong relationships. The submission is not one of a slave, but of a person following a leader. Men were built to be strong and be the leaders. Sorry, I'm going to stop now, I feel like I'm rambling and some ultra-progressive feminist is going to rip me a new one already... :-P

This could all just be a misunderstanding.
Maybe the viewers are projecting something onto the art that isn't there.

Maybe the guy is in tears and he is helping him off the ground in a symbolic gesture of support...
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..or maybe he is feeding him some bread. Another symbolic gesture.
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I think I need to see the art in question before I form an opinion.

- Lee