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Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
My friends dad is a 32degree mason, and this is exactly what my friend told me, its all about personal gain.
and that they have meetings (at least where i live) every thursday 10 - 12
and i've seen the masons handbook, or bibble what ever they call it, its all in code
like
S.W. will be called apon
J.B. bla bla bla
S.W. bla bla bla bla
like its weird.
edit on 6-10-2010 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jagedline
There is a reason for this, the Majority of Masons' are within the first 3 degrees. Therefore they are not privy to the information you are pointing to.
Does every Mason worship Satan, I don't think so.
With that said, there can be some arguments leveled at Freemasonry that it is in direct conflict with most of the major religions.
Originally posted by network dude
I kind of thought that most of the ignorance had been denied, but unfortunately I was wrong. Here are a few things that keep getting brought up by people that just aren't true.
1. No mason, in the history of masonry, has ever used the "devil horns" as a masonic signal or sign. It may belong to some other group of which I have no knowledge, but as far as masonry goes, it has no place. George Bush used it a lot. He is not a mason. Ron Paul apparently has used it, He is also not a mason.
2. Not every president or person of power is or has been a mason. The last masonic president was Gerald Ford. Obama is not a mason nor a Prince Hall mason. Masonry has NOTHING to do with power or control. It has everything to do with personal growth.
3. Inside our meetings, behind the closed doors, with no windows, there is a business meeting taking place. Paying bills, assigning tasks for some function, deciding when to do degree work. With some ritual involved. but I would say much less than in church.
4. Masons will help each other whenever possible. We will not break any laws to do so. And acting immoral is against our principals. Masons are just men, so none of us are perfect and some even screw up sometimes, but we try to remember to be good people and treat others as we would like to be treated. take that for what it's worth.
In these times of economic uncertainty and civil unrest, there are a lot of things that we should all be concerned about. Masonic affiliation is not one if them. We are just like the Rotary, Ruitans, Kiwanas, or any other civic group when it comes to our affect on society. Save for the betterment of the individual that I feel is paramount in masonry.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Jagedline
There is a reason for this, the Majority of Masons' are within the first 3 degrees. Therefore they are not privy to the information you are pointing to.
There is nothing in what he said that appears in any degree in Masonry, not the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. A persons 'degree' is not a mark of rank, only that he attended a degree ceremony and has hopefully absorbed further lesssons in Masonry's tenets. As has been pointed out previously; you can join the Scottish Rite and in one day get your 32nd degree.
Does every Mason worship Satan, I don't think so.
Not every Mason even believes in Satan.
With that said, there can be some arguments leveled at Freemasonry that it is in direct conflict with most of the major religions.
It is only in 'conflict' if the person in question has a fundementalist approach to their own religion and is intolerant of others beliefs.
Originally posted by Jagedline
For your first point, I should have clarified a bit more. For that I apologize.
You second point is moot. I stated that I did not think that all Masons worship Satan.
As for your third point I can only humbly ask that if you are a Mason...
did you participate in the rituals and oaths?
If so, is your religion Christianity?
If it is Christianity, tell me how the following can be construed as intolerant.
Matthew 5:34-37 “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven…nor by the earth…Neither shalt thou swear by thy head…But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”
Did you take your oath over your Holy Book and if so, how does the above not apply? It is a contradiction just as I said. There are many more but that is for another day.
Originally posted by Josephus23
Keep exposing yourself. It is quite humorous to watch.
Originally posted by mw451
Item #1: George Bush IS a Mason! And Signs are Used.
Item #2: George Bush.
Item #3: Paying Bills?
Item #4: Masons don't break Laws? Do you Obey the speed limit?
This is a boilerplate quote that always comes up. I ask; do you swear to tell the truth in court? To uphold the Constitution when joining the military? When getting married? When taking public office? Etc.
Originally posted by network dude
not all the time. and when I get caught, I have to pay a crooked lawyer to bribe the DA into letting me plead to improper equipment so that I don't get any points on my licence. Have you ever killed anyone?
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Josephus23
Keep exposing yourself. It is quite humorous to watch.
Sorry, I didn't realise my zipper was down.
It is much wiser to stand outside the door and scream conspiracy! conspiracy! they have secrets, than it is to knock on the door, meet a friendly face, and be welcomed inside.
Is that your wisdom my friend?
If so, by all means have it.
With Love,
Your Brother
conspiracy, conspiracy!
Originally posted by Jagedline
Christians (in this discussion) can not have their cake and eat it too. If they are religious, they can not pick and choose what applies like they are at buffet line.
So the question remains, regardless of the fact that this is being ignored by the masses is it or is it not contradictory? The answer is yes. That was my point.
Thank you for the intelligent discussion.
Originally posted by Jagedline
So the question remains, regardless of the fact that this is being ignored by the masses is it or is it not contradictory? The answer is yes. That was my point.
Thank you for the intelligent discussion.edit on 6-10-2010 by Jagedline because: spelling error
Originally posted by Josephus23
You did exactly as I have described.
Argument ad hominem disguised as playful banter.
Originally posted by Josephus23
You attributed an argument to me that I have not made.
That being the case; in your opinion how do you reconcile this personally if you are infact, Christian?
Now before you start berating my Christian Brothers for being Masons, remember who is the Supreme Judge, and know your place in your Christian doctrine, and that is to Love God, with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself. Freemasons are your neighbor and deserve as much love as yourself would expect to receive.