Conspiracy Delusions from Left and Right

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. - from the Bhagavad Gita

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Observations

* The political left and right have been spinning ill-intended, paranoid ideas about each other since centuries

* Most conspiracy-theories are results of the covert mudslining between these two sides.

* These two sides employ agents who poise as "the other side" in order to make that side look stupid.

* The left and right are hogging all of the attention in the media and that this is a diversion from deeper issues.

These two sides have their own distinct conspiracy-mythology, which generally looks something like this...

Right-Wing Conspiracy-Thinking

It is only my intention to add to the content of this thread, and introduce concepts and ideas I can acknowledge and recognize as being interconnected, and related to topic. Although not all of this may overtly seem relative to topic, but these are examples of a very evolved science of propaganda techniques accredited to what has become known as Black Ops and Psychological Warfare

Psychological warfare (PSYWAR), or the basic aspects of modern psychological operations (PSYOP), have been known by many other names or terms, including Psy Ops, Political Warfare, “Hearts and Minds,” and Propaganda.
Psychological Warfare

Modern Day Propoganda, Which in my professional opinion are examples of proponents of utlizing PSYOPs related tactics and subversive subliminal tools resembling aspects of what I understand as Neuro Lingustic Programming.

Useful information:

The CNN and NPR Interns Incident
In the 1990s it came to light that soldiers from the 4th Psychological Operations Group had been interning at the American news networks Cable News Network (CNN) and National Public Radio (NPR). The program was claimed by the Army to be an attempt to provide its PSYOP personnel with the expertise developed by the private sector under its "Training with Industry" program.

Wikipedia's Psychological Operations (United States) Article.

When you have time, at your leisure, should life's scheduling permit, please take the time to review the following tapes and give the subject matter some thought. The following is just one slight small example of how neural linguistic programming via the MSM (Mind Systems Manipulators) employed by FOX possibly under command by G.O.D. (Government Of Dollars) in coordination with multinational intelligence agencies may be feeding us what they need us to believe in order to further their own agenda(s).

PLEASE watch the following "News" segment and this example of "investigative journalism" and then comment on just this one 5 min 20 sec video in a post here on ATS, if you care to do so. Then watch the next videos

While watching this video, please keep these questions in mind. If you wish to answer them prior to watching the next videos, please do so, then watch the next videos and share how your answers may have changed with the new information. Thanks for sharing in advance

1) On a scale of 1 to 10 how intelligent do you feel the Professor came across in the interview, 10 being most intelligent?

2) On a scale of 1 to 10 how believable was the arguement the Professor made during the interview, 10 being believable?

3) On a scale of 1 to 10 how "wierd and crazy" do you think the Professor was/is, 10 being way out there in his ideas?



After you have watched the above video, if you wish to do so, share your answers to the following questions:

1) On a scale of 1 to 10 how intelligent do you feel the Professor came across in the interview, 10 being most intelligent?

2) On a scale of 1 to 10 how believable was the arguement the Professor made during the interview, 10 being believable?

3) On a scale of 1 to 10 how "wierd and crazy" do you think the Professor was/is, 10 being way out there in his ideas?

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Now, how do you answer the following questions?

Are your answers effected by the new knowledge of knowing they are proponents of brainwashing braindirtying their own audiences?

1) On a scale of 1 to 10 how intelligent do you feel the Professor came across in the interview, 10 being most intelligent?

2) On a scale of 1 to 10 how believable was the arguement the Professor made during the interview, 10 being believable?

3) On a scale of 1 to 10 how "wierd and crazy" do you think the Professor was/is, 10 being way out there in his ideas?

4) Are your answers effected by the new knowledge of knowing they are proponents of brainwashing braindirtying their own audiences?
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White Propaganda
Is attributal to the source of the PSYOP product.

Authorized to engage in white activity directed at foreign audiences are: The State Department, USIA, the Foreign Operations Administration (a predecessor of the Agency for International Development), the Defense Department and other U.S. Government departments and agencies as necessary.

Gray PSYOP
The source of the gray PSYOP product is deliberately ambiguous.

The true source (U.S. Government) is not revealed to the target audience. The activity engaged in plausibly appears to emanate from a non-official American source, or an indigenous, non-hostile source, or there may be no attribution.

Gray is that information whose content is such that the effect will be increased if the hand of the U.S. Government and in some cases any American participation are not revealed. It is simply a means for the U.S. to present viewpoints which are in the interest of U.S. foreign policy, but which will be acceptable or more acceptable to the intended target audience than will an official government statement.

Black Propaganda
Main article: Black propaganda
The activity engaged in appears to emanate from a source (government, party, group, organization, person) usually hostile in nature. The interest of the U.S. Government is concealed and the U.S. Government would deny responsibility. It is best used in support of strategic plans.

Covert PSYOP is not a function of the U.S. military but instead is used in special operations due to their political sensitivity and need for higher level compartmentation. Further, black PSYOP, to be credible, may need to disclose sensitive material, with the damage caused by information disclosure considered to be outweighed by the impact of successful deception.[5] In order to achieve maximum results and to prevent compromise of overt PSYOP, overt and covert operations need to be kept separate. Personnel involved in one must not be engaged in the other.
Wikipedias's Psychological Operations (U.S.A.) Article

People, organizations, millions if not billions of dollars are spent on manipulating and controlling peoples' opinions.

Military Industrial Complex
Diametrically Purloins mixt

Neural = Brain
Linguistics = language

and literacy may be more than left to right and more than just the linear two sides of things.

Please note, that I encorporated some links with words to the dictionary due to the basic fact that words have multiple meanings. Not to insult anyone's intelligence, just remind them of possible or multiple intents and contexts.

hope this might help,
ET

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
But the 9/11 conspiracy theories -- which Reuters reports more than one-third of Americans believe (I personally think it's more) -- is somehow "rife with political agenda?"

You've invested countless hours in this so you dont like someone say it, but yes, 9/11 is full of anger, delusion and political agendas.

The hate-America/Bush crowd is involved, muslims are involved, jews are involved, the "America can do no wrong" crowd is involved.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

[...] One loves conspiracy-theories because they help him feel like an oppressed victim (leftie) of uncontrollable circumstances, the other loves conspiracy-theories because they help him express his sadistic drive (rightie) to "punish evil".
[...]

Yes, "oppressed victim" may be leftist term but "uncontrollable circumstances"? I though that really revolutionary idea in Marx's work is based in believe that world (especially social order) is knowable and that there is rational way of changing known (hence controllable) circumstances stemming from historical interconnection of material and social fabric. That is why is authentic left progressive and authentic right conservative (social order is given by God or Holy Free Market) hence every change is just diversion from Golden Age.
World Social Forum use slogan "Another World is Possible". Give it any sense combined with "uncontrollable circumstances"?
Footnote: I used WSF as widely known entity with radical rhetoric. Other thing is that heads of WSF were coopted by capital long time ago. It is now controlled opposition as you can read in excellent article by M. Chossudovsky: "Manufacturing Dissent": the Anti-globalization Movement is Funded by the Corporate Elites.

On other hand I see lot of food for thought in your OP and I agree with many statements you did. What I missing among keywords you analyzed are terms imperialism and capitalism. The problem is, that authentic left see capitalism as un-reformable, oppressive and imperialistic in its bases. There is no "capitalism with human face" for authentic (or radical) left. Social Democrats are not authentic left, because they believe in such "soft capitalism" and this is reason why political debate between establishment "left" and "right" are so boring and empty. Both sides serve capital and debate is only technical: find the best way how to serve. Real political debate is touching roots of social order. You can see that MSM is free of such debate.

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Nice how you choose which posts to answer..
I guess that is your choice though.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Yes there is no left, only the right wing posing as the left.
It's all red.

Originally posted by Hefficide
Take the real world example that people who like chocolate ice cream tend to not be able to comprehend how anyone else might prefer vanilla over chocolate. We can actually feel offense over this simple difference in personal taste. Now apply this to issues which incite strong emotional reaction, such as politics, conspiracy, etc, and you've got a recipe for division.

Yes. The basic idea is that Im able to enjoy my chocolate without hating vanilla. I dont understand why so many miss this simple fact.

Originally posted by CynicalM
It also seems like you have a pro-Israel approach which doesn't fit ijn with your "unbiased " view..

Yes, I have a slightt bias here and there. But thats not what I meant to display. I meant to show how the far left/right can have the same enemy but for entirely different reasons.

When the Flotilla event happened, both rough neo-nazis and peace-protesting whiners held hands in their condemnation of Israel.

The conspiracy-theory that says that Jews rule the world is false. They have trouble even maintaining a small strip of desert without oil and water called Israel, not to mention the world.

Originally posted by 547000
The Fabian Society is not a delusion. You can yourself go to wikipedia and check out their plan for world socialism. Check out the bottom links.

Why is it that most people who believe in a socialist-conspiracy do not believe in a fascist conspiracy and most who believe in a fascist conspiracy do not believe in a socialist conspiracy?

reply to post by Skyfloating

Yes, I have a slightt bias here and there. But thats not what I meant to display. I meant to show how the far left/right can have the same enemy but for entirely different reasons.

When the Flotilla event happened, both rough neo-nazis and peace-protesting whiners held hands in their condemnation of Israel.

The conspiracy-theory that says that Jews rule the world is false. They have trouble even maintaining a small strip of desert without oil and water called Israel, not to mention the world.

So, to get a clear view of where you stand,
what are your thoughts on the UN's decision against Israel??

I sincerely think it is of vast importance in a site such as ATS that we have a clear view of where Mods stand on subjects they moderate in...

I'm sure you understand that..

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I've noticed your efforts to expose the left/right game previously. And I applaud them, just as I applaud all Independent Thinkers, Liberatrians, Moderates, Centrists - in short: Sane and Balanced citizens of the World.

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When the Flotilla event happened, both rough neo-nazis and peace-protesting whiners held hands in their condemnation of Israel.

Thats a pretty harsh statement...Do you have any proof that "rough neo-nazis" and "peace-protesting whiners'
held hands, or is that just your assumption???

Sounds pretty far fetched to me...

And do you consider all peace protesters to be whiners or just those that protest against Israel?

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Thats a fantastic post. It will take some time to go through all of it and consider it. There's a pretty good chance that Psyops (as in a deliberately orchestrated conspiracy to make people fear- and hateful) is involved.

Originally posted by CynicalM
Nice how you choose which posts to answer..
I guess that is your choice though.

You posted this before I even had the chance to read your post.

This is what I meant in the OP by an anger-agenda.

Originally posted by CynicalM
I sincerely think it is of vast importance in a site such as ATS that we have a clear view of where Mods stand on subjects they moderate in...

We dont Moderate subjects. Moderation and Viewpoints are two completely separate things. We dont Moderate our own threads either.

Are you interested in the OP subject matter or just trolling?

Originally posted by zeddissad2
Yes, "oppressed victim" may be leftist term but "uncontrollable circumstances"?

You have leftist the soup of victimization. Add a few drops of conspiracy-theorist to that and you have "overwhelming circumstances", which may be a better expression.

What I missing among keywords you analyzed are terms imperialism and capitalism.

Both words are used in the OP.

Real political debate is touching roots of social order. You can see that MSM is free of such debate.

Yes I can. And, to be honest, its also lacking in alternative- and underground media.

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We dont Moderate subjects. Moderation and Viewpoints are two completely separate things. We dont Moderate our own threads either.

Are you interested in the OP subject matter or just trolling?

That is a real laugh but good to see you dont moderate your own thread, however you DO moderate threads that you obviously have a bias towards one side...

Yes I am interested in the OP subject matter, it was you that tended to go off topic in Israel's defence...

Please explain where I could be considered to be trolling....
I find that to be a repulsive remark from a member of staff......
Or do you just not like being questioned???

Originally posted by CynicalM
what are your thoughts on the UN's decision against Israel??

I havent formed any thoughts on the UN decision against Israel to be honest....

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I believe the US is moving towards fascism, but thanks for judging me without knowledge.

Originally posted by 547000
I believe the US is moving towards fascism, but thanks for judging me without knowledge.

They've been saying that since a hundred years. When is it finally going to happen?

reply to post by Skyfloating


Here is what I would tell you, and you should listen very closely. There was a similar debate in 1930's Germany, and remarks similar to yours in Europe and the United States, which proved to be wrong, because TWENTY MILLION PEOPLE wound up dead, many burned alive.
Of course, this was merely a more violent repeat of the events of 1916.
Rwanda, Uganda, the violent attack on the south perpetrated by Lincoln over states rights, the wholesale murder of Russian Citizens during the years of the soviet revolution, the murder of hundreds of thousands under Hussein in Iraq, and always someone claiming that should you question the motives of those in charge, you are a wacko conspiracy theorist, because guys like you believe they are smarter than everyone else and you have figured it all out.