ADHD doesnt exist

reply to post by wickedwenchlet

I agree ADHD doesn't exhist. I believe it is the lack of attention the parents give to their children.

I will pit my parenting skills against yours anyday.

My oldest son has ADHD and my husband and were excellent parents, not lazy, not uneducated - unlucky gene/dna wise.

Again, I'll pit my parenting skills against yours anyday of the week.

My little sister was forced to take adhd meds and after that depression meds which caused her to have mania and try to kill herself. after years of being forced to be on pills she is free and adugesting to a drug free like (shes never been happier) i was forced to take the test to see if I have adhd aswell and fortunetly i was older so it was a breeze to pass. you must sit infront of a computer screen for 15 mins and click every time you see or hear the number 2. Now can you really imagine a young child being able to sit still for 15 mins and do that? or to even understand the reasoning for the test?
how can this be allright with parents?

Originally posted by everestgirl88
My little sister was forced to take adhd meds and after that depression meds which caused her to have mania and try to kill herself. after years of being forced to be on pills she is free and adugesting to a drug free like (shes never been happier) i was forced to take the test to see if I have adhd aswell and fortunetly i was older so it was a breeze to pass. you must sit infront of a computer screen for 15 mins and click every time you see or hear the number 2. Now can you really imagine a young child being able to sit still for 15 mins and do that? or to even understand the reasoning for the test?
how can this be allright with parents?

Thanks for sharing you first-hand experience here everestgirl.

I have asked myself the same question.

I think it must come down in large part to the parents finding someone standing in front of the parents who is an "authority" -- the parents do not know the exceedingly dangerous nature of these powerful psychiatric drugs they are being told will make their child "better"...

...and they do not know that the "authority" standing before them is completely bogus: incredibly, there is no science in psychiatry, there is absolutely no scientific basis for the chemical imbalance in the brain theory (and the label "adhd" comes from psychiatry).

And often the "authority" has literally been bribed by Big Pharma:

"...the new federal health care law will require drug companies and medical device makers to disclose payments made to doctors, starting in 2013...Pfizer, for instance, listed $35 million in payments to 4,500 doctors and 250 research organizations from June through December 2009."

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

reply to post by Skyfloating


I agree. Pharmaceutical companies have been accused of inventing illnesses to sell drugs, many times the same drugs that were so-call removed from the market for having too many adverse effects.
Pharmaceutical firms are inventing diseases to sell more drugs, researchers have warned.

ADHD is one of those illnesses said to have been created to sell drugs.
ADHD is a fraud: disease was invented to sell drugs, testifies expert

reply to post by Chai_An


I just got to reading those links. That is very interesting, thank you

A good half of my every-day work is for a company that offers educational services for small kids, teen-agers and adult students. I in fact have a lot of chats with worried mothers of children that have been diagonsed of this ADHD.

In my opinion, that "disorder" has not just been described too loosely, is also being diagonsed like that.

I was born in 1978, and grew through the 80's. Back in those days, the only drugs childs were mainly prescribed to take were almost nothing more than coughing syrpus and a couple of days-off-school and tv cartoons when ill.....!!!

Now they're doping thousands of kids for being just energetic kids !! Mothers are confused and just follow the line. Psychologists-Psychriacists are confused and just diagnose what they've been taught to...

As adults, we have freedom over ourselves to decide what to take or not, what to drink, smoke or swallow. If I ever have a kid I know I wont let him be diagnosed of "Being a Child" for god's sake. To drug a child, to reduce him to psychic stupor just because his yelling to loud when playing or running around all the time is monstrous... Too sad.

I think this is a very relevant post. This is a very worring issue. I am not pointing at any obscure or unknown interests behind it (or not exactly). I think it's just human stupidity of the new era.

Flagged and starred.

I read an article the other day that ADD or ADHD may just be immaturity. Back in my day kids got left back a grade if they couldn't grasp the material or if they misbehaved. Now we are so worried about their fragile self-esteems we pass everyone.

The basic concept is that we have different expectations of children at different ages. If you have an immature 7 year old who actually has the maturity level of a 5 year old he may act like a kindergarten which is not at all acceptable in grade 2 but perhaps more acceptable in grade 1 - so leave him back.

We always had kids labelled "hyper" but they usually worked themselves out by high school.

reply to post by deathmetalofcourse


To be fair, most of the overdiagnosing is being done by general care practitioners. Parents will take their kids to their normal pediatrician and complain about them being hard to handle. Since, the GP hasn't been trained in psychology or psychiatry he'll diagnose the child as ADHD and prescribe some medication. The problem doesn't lie with psychology, it lies with doctors who are diagnosing outside their specialty and parents who don't take their kids to a specialist in the first place.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by Matthew Dark
I was a nutrition science major, then I switched to nursing and I've worked in the mental health system for several years

Neither nutrition science majors, nor murses, are qualified to interpret brain scan results, so thanks for answering my question. If any of us need a thermometer shoved in our rectums, you're the guy. Otherwise, your opinion on the matter at hand is no more qualified than anybody else's here. In my opinion (which is just as valid as yours), some people simply cannot focus on the painfully mundane lessons most schools offer, even when they are trying their DAMNDEST. How can you say you work in the medical profession, yet degrade people the way you do? If you really work in the medical profession...WHY? You seem to have little empathy or compassion, so it doesn't seem like the ideal career for you. ADD may not be an illness that needs medication, but it is certainly real and it at least needs a classroom and teaching style that can accomodate the hands on, hyper stimulating learning needs that some people require in order to truly absorb what's being taught. Schools need to work harder to place students in the environment that works for them, until then, some medications may be useful to help level out the kids who really are struggling to do well in the learning environment they're stuck in.

ADHD is just bad diet syndrome.
As well as brought up on TV syndrome.

This is why we have No TV and we feed our children Paleo Diet and organic.

Originally posted by goodsamaritan55
ADHD is just bad diet syndrome.
As well as brought up on TV syndrome.

This is why we have No TV and we feed our children Paleo Diet and organic.

Hello, fellow paleo dieter (I prefer to call it a lifestyle change). I switched to paleo a few months ago, and my asthma is gone, as well as anxiety, and I got rid of all the stubborn belly fat that wouldn't go away no matter how much I worked out. The only thing I don't follow, is the restriction on tubers. I think Cordain got that wrong. It's widely believed hunter gatherers learned to leech the starches out of tubers and ate them as a primary energy source. The last true hunter gatherers in the world also eat alot of tubers. I would love for my kids to eat that way, but I'm not trying to force it on them (yet).

Originally posted by intrepid
Sorry Sky. ADHD is very real. It's genetic. My mother has it, I have it and 2 of my 3 kids as well. Growing up was a real chore. To control the body with the mind. Now a days they put the kids on drugs. How are they going to learn to control themselves? They wanted to up our daughter drugs and we told them NO! Personally I'd go drug free but I'm not the only parent in this house.

Another story. ADHD is nothing more than diet. A study in southhampton England I think showed that additives added to childrens food produced hyperactivity in the child within an hour of uptake. This is the same thing as what you people label ADHA (a mass scam to sell children drugs instead of running around in the playground like normal kids). These food additives were mainly food colorings made artificially. Exactly what is in every kind of childs food nowadays.

I highly doubt that you have ADHD and rather just fed a load of crap as a child. If anything it was your parents fault for allowing you to consume large quantities of sugary, processed, artificial foods.

Ritalin and Concerta have been two of the main drugs prescribed to many a child especially in Canada and America. They have been proven not to affect this so called ADHD at all in the long term and if anything cause reliance on chemicals to change a child rather than let the child be natural and childlike.

ADHD was ascribed to a growth problem within the brain where it lagged behind b approx three years or so. This particular diagnosis for ADHD was based on a case of around 35,000 MRI scans of childrens brains. Those suffering "ADHD" had a slower growing brain cortex being that full thickness develops after around 10.45 years for a ADHD sufferer compared to a 7.45 year normal child.

So if this is the case how can a ADHD sufferer aged 5 be diagnosed with ADHD when his/her brain cortex is not fully grown by that age and can be slower compared to another child as two children do not grow at the same rate.

ADHD was a Pharmaceutical advert for Selling Drugs to children in order to test the affects of subduing children. The idea was sell, sell and then sell somemore. This is all about money and controlling our children through BS meds. How do I know. If any of you read my very first few post on ATS you will know that behind my views on homosexuality, religion and people in general I am a registered and qualified Psychologist with full prescription privileges. You will also know that I worked for the US department of Health and the UK NHS in mental Health.

I studied ADHD as part of my thesis in UNI and I have seen roughly 400 children in 4 years whose parents were told (by stupid and uneducated teachers as most are) that maybe their children suffered from ADHD. I found none to be suffering from ADHD or ADD and therefore prescribed a diet and excersie plan much to the enjoyment of their parents and dismay of their teachers and fellow idiots.

In my opinion ADHD does not exist in the way people hear it being described in the media. I have fully told you above what ADHD really is and how you would know if you have it or not. MRI scan and measurement of the thickness of the brain cortex. This though medically debated by different countries Health Departments but in North America you are all fed more BS than anywhere else. In the UK we tend not to use Counseling and Therapy for every little child problem and we use drugs as a last resort. Well the educated do. Anyway in the UK each MD practice run by the NHS has a budget so doctors tend to use the route of mediacation as a last option if possible.

We ahve had our difference intrepid but take my info and check it with a REAL doc and get you kids some real advise and stay clear of medication for ADHD related issues. There is NO paper test to confirm ADHD and if given one by your Doc tell him/her to go f*** themselves. ADHD paper tests are controlled by the companmies who sell the damn meds. FACT!! The drugs prescribed for ADHD or the ADHD that most people think it is are completely untested to the level needed. The researchers do not know what is true and what is not as test are inconclusive. I have a child. I would not drug her up for any reason. I am anti drugs of most sorts. Especially the ones for children as no real testing can be done, unless you volunteer your kid for trials which again there is not enough research material to use and no one would do that...would they?

Peace.

Excellent post! I agree completely. Some classrooms are becoming more like prison cells these days where a student must ask if it's okay just to use the restroom. I think loosening up a bit, or a lot, can go a long way with children.

I think many parents, and teachers alike, forget that their children are people too. We live in a world where the news advocates spying on your child's every move. People like their privacy, they like their freedom yet at the same time they seem to have nothing against taking away the privacy and freedom of their own children. Many of these children grow up despising authority figures because they've learned to fear them.

There may be a purposeful effort out there to hire iron fisted teachers in order to grow children who are used to being spied on, used to having their every move planned and ordered by someone else.

my brother has ADD and was labeled EH(Emotionally Handed Capped) And it is real!! Maybe not for EVERY kid, but for some ...it is... My brother is 30 years old, and still has mental compacitiy of a 15 year old...I worry about him all the time, and Im the baby sister. He was always socially akward, I remember doing his math work because he couldnt understand... Its sad really to see that hes 30 and still living at home with my mom

Interesting news, that i hope will be the begining that proves once and for all that this condition is real.

Link

Related article: "ADHD is passed on through genes".

reply to post by Skyfloating


curses...you beat me to it



(but good for you) :-)

so, the line between science and make believe becomes a little less blurry...

reply to post by Jay-morris


and that will teach me not to read the last post first :-)

thank you Jay-morris

interesting morning (here) for me - this was just passed on to me by a friend

reply to post by Skyfloating


It is very clear to me Skyfloating you do not have a clear understanding of what ADHD is. We are not talking about a playful overactive sometimes rowdy kid who won't pay attention, we are talking about a child who's brain is unable to filter out all stimulus from their environment. In other words the person perceives every little detail in their surroundings at one time. A neuro behavioral disorder which causes them to hear for example their classmates breathing, the bird flapping at the window, the voices speaking, the fly buzzing, clocks ticking, the shoe or pencil tapping. They hear everything at one time unable to process because there is so much stimulus coming at them.

ADHD has one major characteristic, impulsivity. Which can be quite dangerous at times. The symptoms of ADHD include many. Lack of concentration, insomnia, depression, anger, irritability, anxiety. short term memory loss. To say this condition doesn't exist, tells me something much greater about you. You must believe all mental illness is not real. That if people would just take control of their lives and except responsibility for their actions then they would be fine. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Just because you are not personally effected, does not negate the fact that millions are. Your opinion and I mean this with respect, comes off as pompous, narrow minded and judgmental

Untreated ADHD in teenagers can lead to depression, cutting, drug abuse, and suicide. It is an illness that deserves to be taken seriously and deserves treatment.

Thank you for letting me share my opinion..

Pax