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Originally posted by edmc^2
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Originally posted by edmc^2
Due to the DESIRE to believe something that is not, evolutionist will try give the most illogical explanation to something that is so simple, clear and logical. Case in point – this simple test.
And creationists do...
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Edit to add- Your test proves absolutely nothing...its not the desire to believe, its observing and interpreting data and following patterns which lead to ones conclusion
Too many of these thread topics on ATS
[edit on 17/7/2010 by OzWeatherman]
Your test proves absolutely nothing...its not the desire to believe, its observing and interpreting data and following patterns which lead to ones conclusion
So what's your observation and interpretation then?
If a simple pencil requires a maker then the stars and galaxy does not require a maker. Is that your position?
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My ears are open waiting for a logical reply.
ty,
edmc2
if one is a full fledged believer of evolution.
Common sense is useless in a discussion of scientific topics
Originally posted by Farnet
Evolution is all around you, just sit a while and watch.
Those that oppose it are either blind, or in denial.
I respect everyone has their own views. but refusing to see evolving adaptation in the world around you irrespective of religeon (which I don't think most insects sign up to) is the most serious form of blindness.
Originally posted by edmc^2
Originally posted by Farnet
Evolution is all around you, just sit a while and watch.
Those that oppose it are either blind, or in denial.
I respect everyone has their own views. but refusing to see evolving adaptation in the world around you irrespective of religeon (which I don't think most insects sign up to) is the most serious form of blindness.
So how do you proposed to watch this evolution of yours? And for how long will this sitting be? A year, two, million, billion years?
Just curious,
edmc^2
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by edmc^2
according to the electric universe theory the distance of the planets might have something to do with the interaction of the planets magnetic fields and the suns.
so that would make your who example pointless.
Originally posted by OleMB
Oh man, I jumped in my seat when I saw this thread only to find out you are a creatonist! Am I the only non-evolutionist that is non-creatonist?
I don't believe us evolving has anything to do with a creator, some kind of will or any real purpose.
On the other hand I don't believe our evolving is so utter random that darwinism propose.
Survival of the fittest is true, but I find it weird if the mutation of our genes is nothing but random.
Sure, it happens all the time, and it's actually very seldom it's for the good for the gene-bearer, but that's because there is no good will behind the mutation.
The way I see it, there must be some kind of communication between all kind of particles in the universe.
Let's say there is some kind of electro-magnetic pulse or frequency that allows particles to recognize each other, and then be able to take advantage.
The way I see how life evolve is something like this ; First we have the big-bang, which of course is NOT the first.
The universe expands and contracts like a heart, and there is no way we are the first universe.
Then we get all kind of gases which collides and start weighting, which also is the case for our solar system to be.
When there is enough gravity, the gas will implode and create a star. In the chaos that follows, all kind of chemical elements mixing.
Now, THIS is it; these elements create life, because in a certain mixture, that's what they do.
Some elements can create fire together, others can create water.
That's some of their properties, and the right kind of mixture will go on as some kind of important "self sustaining" energy that keeps on going be reproducing and metabolize.
Now we got a little dude that communicates with the particles around, and the first thing that happens is that it uses oxygen for energy.
Now, I'm no expert, so I don't know what happens next.
The thing I do know is that the life keeps on going trough generations and generations, using all kind properties around us. You are looking at this, and you are most certainly projecting the light waves around you into electro-chemical impulses in neurons, in a manner that is so complex I in no way could explain (nor understand).
The point is, you evolve after what kind of properties that is around you. The way I see it, that is the reason why all the animals are so alike, not because we had the same forefathers millions of years ago.
Please, understand; Life is not perfect, and that's why we are not either. We are constantly evolving to handle our environment around us, down to the smallest particle.
I started to think about this one time I had jazzed the place up, and just lying around watching a movie. Then I feel this impulse in my leg. I know this from before that this happens because the leg is about the fall asleep, and the brain sends the impulse to make the leg kick to protect the muscles. Now, I didn't do this. My brain did it and then i understood that it didn't do that do protect this unimportant bag of carbons and oxygen that is my body; it does so to protect what I contain, and what I later will pass on; LIFE!
So behold, here we are. We ARE our universe looking up at itself
What predictions does the theory of ID make? Of what use is it to us? Does it predict that every system we find in the universe will appear to be intelligently designed? What does that even mean?
Originally posted by edmc^2
To me it means that where there's intelligence in design there must be a purpose behind it.
If we know the purpose then we will understand the design and the designer itself. As a believer of creation (not ID) I see intelligence in all that is created. Thus I undersatnd the meaning and purpose of the design. Knowing that purpose then I can align my life towards that purpose. Thus it gives true meaning to my existence. That life has a purpose.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Originally posted by edmc^2
To me it means that where there's intelligence in design there must be a purpose behind it.
Ok, but that's not a scientific prediction.
An example of a prediction of evolutionary theory would be the difference of chimp and human DNA
Watch as Roman Catholic Ken Miller explains something about evolution.
If we know the purpose then we will understand the design and the designer itself. As a believer of creation (not ID) I see intelligence in all that is created. Thus I undersatnd the meaning and purpose of the design. Knowing that purpose then I can align my life towards that purpose. Thus it gives true meaning to my existence. That life has a purpose.
But that doesn't provide anything of scientific value. Science produces things of scientific value, not philosophical value.
I'm sorry, but science isn't designed to cater to the weak psychology of the human race.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by edmc^2
The reason we see and understand evolution differently is because we each view it from many different perspectives. People jump in at different time lines within evolution. We also have different opinions on what evolution really is as well.
I see your point. And i have the same theory as you have. But i have used a different approach. I started out by reading about the Big Bang. About the singularity. To understand evolution you have to at least have some knowledge about the beginning. About how finite was formed/created.
The Big Bang theory never made much sense to me. And it seams like the Big Bang theory don't make much sense within science either. But still people within science use it as a theoretical explanation even now.
The Big Bang theory don't make much sense if you know the difference between infinite and finite. Because science wont explain what the singularity really is. Is it a finite source or is it a infinite source?
What source made the singularity change/compress and than explode/expand?
The infinite is 1 dimension. Only one dimension can be infinite. That means finite must be a totally different dimension altogether.
There is a way to view this, and that is by understanding the "distance" from 0 to 1. Where 0 represents the infinite dimension and 1 represents the finite dimension.
We have to understand that there is a distance between the infinite and the finite dimensions. Because the finite is formed/created by the infinite dimension, and must exist within the infinite dimension.
The distance between 0 and 1 is created by a compression. It must have been formed/created by a compression, because we know that the finite existence is expanding at present time. And finite will expand until the end of time. And that is when finite as become what it used to be.
The question you want support for is: Is the infinite dimension intelligent! That is hard to tell because we dont know what intentions the infinite dimension have with its creation. Apart from what religion is saying. We might not be the true intention in this creation. We might be a energy source for whats to come. Who knows.
Originally posted by edmc^2
That the limit of science. It can't go beyond the why.
It's able to explane the how, the mechanicans of "things" but not the why.
Case in point - Ken Millers findings: we know the science of cell division / combination to form an organism (life) but why did it happen in the first place. What prompted the cells to devide and again - WHY?
Science at this point has no answer for it can only deal with the physical.
What's the point of understanding how something was put together but not knowing it's purpose?
That my friend is vanity according to a very wise king.
So IMHO evolutionist can never advance to higher level, that is the physical level for they operate only in that dimesion.
As a believer of creation (not ID) - I can operate beyond that level for I know the answer to the WHY.
After all - isn't far more important to know why life came to be than how life came to be?