Diets and Diseases

"You are what you eat" so the saying goes and this is true at a cellular level but, what if "what you are" requires you to eat a certain way? Most people just eat what they want or can afford with little thought to what is happening to that food/fuel in their bodies.

Certain disease or metabolic states require supplements, avoidance of certain foods, weighed portions, etc. Admittedly, it's aggravating in the extreme to NOT be able to just eat what you want when you want but in a survival situation, knowing your body's limitations and food requirements is paramount.

The following various diets assume you already have a name for your condition and should give you an idea of what is needed for your particular condition. Don't bother asking a doctor for details-they take about 1 hour of nutrition class. Ask a certified nutritionist any questions you might have regarding the following.

DIET FOR INSULIN RESISTANCE
Insulin resistance, AKA metabolic syndrome, is considered a result of the Western diet of processed, refined, nutritionally deficient food intake prevalent in the developed nations. Correction of this problem requires decreased carbs, moderate protein and fat. Takes about 2-3 months to get used to it but after normal insulin sensitivity is re-established, blood pressure will be improved, energy increased, weight lost, and carbohydrate cravings reduced or eliminated.
Foods to avoid: potatoes, sweets (cookies, candy, ice cream, etc.), honey, soda pop, alcohol, artificial sweeteners (including Stevia), breads in any form, pasta, crackers, popcorn, canned foods, refined foods (white rice, white sugar, white flour).
Whole grains are allowed in small amounts as are fresh (not dried) fruits but eat fruit with a protein. Non-starchy vegetables either raw or barely cooked. Oils are ok in normal amounts but animal and dairy fats should be limited. Non-starchy vegetables=no parsnips, corn, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, rutabagas. Also, no processed foods even if they're low in carbs.
Exercise!

LACTOSE INTOLERANT DIET
Obviously, if you're lactose intolerant, you can't have dairy products such as milk, cheese, margarine/butter but there are "hidden" sources of lactose you may not be aware of. These include: breads, candy, cookies, lunch meat, sauces and gravies, desert mixes, salad dressings, Swiss Miss chocolate drink, cream soups (cream of mushroom, etc.), and frostings. It's easy to lose calcium avoiding all that so here are some good alternate sources of calcium: almonds, dried beans, salmon, cabbage, shrimp, tofu, broccoli, sardines, okra, "greens" (collard, turnip, kale). Some orange juices are "calcium fortified". Oddly enough, I recently learned that goat milk and yogurt are ok for people who are lactose intolerant and they both have calcium as well. Since feta cheese is goat milk cheese, I'd imagine that you could also have that but best to check with a nutritionist to be sure.

CROHN'S DISEASE DIET
Crohn's disease is an inflammatory bowel disease that several foods will aggravate. You need high calorie, high protein, low residual foods and probably a multi vitamin. Some "problem" foods include: fatty foods, caffeinated drinks (chocolate also has caffeine), high fiber foods, alcohol, red meat and pork, spicy foods, whole grain and bran, soda pop. Sorry.

HIGH PROTEIN DIET
Usually used for weight loss, "beefing up" by body builders and those with crohn's disease. Foods include: meat, fish, dairy products, nuts and seeds, most beans and peas. All things in moderation since if you don't need to be on this diet for a medical condition, you're chances of developing gout, arthritis, heart disease and strokes are increased.

HIGH FIBER DIET
Lowers Cholesterol, helps prevent constipation and obesity. Foods high in fiber include: dried fruits, whole grains, berries, oranges, apples (with skin), kiwi, mango, avocado, pears, nuts and seeds, dried beans and peas, green leafy vegetables, cooked cereals.

LOW RESIDUE DIET
Usually used for those with diverticulitis which is an infection in the bowels generally thought to be a result of our Western diet that weakens the bowel. High fiber helps. Foods to be avoided are beans and lentils, nuts and seeds, cruciferous veggies (broccoli, cabbage, etc.), dried and raw fruits, whole grains. For detailed info about diverticulitis and this diet you can visit
www.serovero.com/diverticulitis-diet.php
(They're advertising a product for sale but they do have good info)

GERD DIET
G.E.R.D. stands for gastro esophageal reflux disease. (See why they abbreviated it? ) Acid reflux is a "backing up" of stomach acids into your esophagus. Contributing factors are pregnancy, smoking, drinking alcohol, obesity, spicy food intake, overeating too much and too fast. A full-on attack can feel like a heart attack, especially if you're lying down. Eat 4-5 small meals (more like snack portions than meal portions) a day. Elevate the head of your bed to 30 degrees and don't go to bed right after eating.
Wait a few hours after eating to lie down. Sleeping on your left side has also shown to be beneficial. Foods to avoid or reduce are: spicy foods chocolate or any form of caffeine, peppermint, tomatoes, garlic and onions, acid foods like citrus, fatty foods, almost everything at fast food restaurants, fried foods.

GLUTEN FREE DIET
Gluten is a protein found in certain grain foods such as wheat, barley, oats, rye. Those people diagnosed with celiac disease have an auto-immune based intolerance to gluten. This response attacks the intestinal lining, damaging it and will eventually lead to malnutrition. Some foods have the gluten removed and are therefore safe to eat. Even though oats naturally contain gluten, avena sativia and beta glucan are allowed.
Acceptable grains/legumes are: corn, soy, amaranth, buckwheat, sorghum, rice, flax, millet, chickpeas. You may be one of the lucky ones that can tolerate oats but try it in small amounts first to be sure.

There are some specialized diseases/conditions that require highly specific diets and must be followed exactly to avoid life-threatening conditions. The above diets will just make you uncomfortable if you ignore the recommendations. Those diets will be in the next post.

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KETOGENIC DIET
This diet is helpful for certain types of epilepsy. It is increased in fats and decreased in carbs. Protein intake is neither high nor low. It is a strict diet that requires foods to be weighed and caloric intake to be rigidly monitored but contains tasty foods that even kids will eat.
Some people can get by on a modified Atkins diet. Following this diet (like the diet for kidney disease) requires a nutritionist, not a thread on this site (no matter how well written. )
Since this diet basically throws the body into ketosis, making ketone bodies an alternate energy source (glucose is normally the energy source), it acts as an anti-convulsive in the brain. It may seem easier just to take the anti seizure pills but this diet was developed for those who receive little to no benefit from the pills. This diet is not without side effects and can lead to hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), kidney stones, constipation, etc. The success rate is about 80%. After 2 years on this diet it can be gradually stopped with little chance for seizures to recur. It's also being used in some cases of autism and Alzheimer's with success. For more info:
www.epilepsyfoundation.org...

LOW COPPER DIET
Wilson's disease is an inherited, treatable disease. All of us have the trace mineral copper in our bodies and any excess is excreted in the urine. If you have Wilson's disease the copper builds up and collects in the eyes, kidneys, liver and brain. It can cause cirrhosis and death.
Since copper is prevalent in many foods, it's difficult to control with diet alone. Also there are a number of factors that affect how much copper will be in any particular food (soil conditions it was grown in, etc.) compounding the problem That said, there are foods known to be consistently high in copper and those should be avoided. Organ meats (liver, heart, pancreas, etc.), shellfish (lobsters, shrimp, crab, oysters, clams), dried beans and peas, whole wheat and chocolate. You may also need to drink demineralized water. No alcohol to save your liver from further strain. Avoid cooking with copper pots and pans. Avoid: brain, dried fruits, duck, goose, lamb, dark turkey meat, pork, meat substitutes (soy burgers, tofu), nectarines, nuts and seeds, quail, squid, V-8 juice (or if I'm not allowed to name brands...vegetable juice cocktails), mushrooms, millet, barley, lentils, wheat germ, bran, fresh sweet potatoes (canned is ok), instant breakfast drinks, brewers yeast, multivitamins.

PKU DIET
Phenyl ketone uria (PKU) is thought to be an inherited metabolic disease that leads to mental retardation in otherwise healthy babies. All meats contain phenylalanine as do all high protein foods. Aspartame is 50% phenylalanine and should be avoided (Nutra Sweet and Equal). Also, certain over the counter meds are "sweetened" with aspartame. No pasta, rice, bread, cookies, corn on the cob, breast milk, semen (some people actually cook with semen but we won't go there). There is a prepared formula that must be maintained for life in order to get the proper nutrients. This is a disease that all newborn nurseries check for. If you have this condition and are old enough to read, you probably already know all about it.

MAOI AND DIET
Mono Amine Oxidase Inhibitors are often prescribed as antidepressants. I've met an alarming number of people who swear their doctors told them nothing about avoiding certain foods while on MAOI's. (Don't get me started.)
Aged meats and cheeses, alcohol (especially Chianti and vermouth), beer (less than 120 cc) may be tolerable, especially if it's an American brand. Those "non-alcoholic beverages" that are meant to imitate the alcoholic ones (alcohol free beer, etc.) contain tyramine and should be avoided. Banana peels (like anyone's ever going to eat that!), liquid or powdered protein supplements, all aged cheeses except cream cheese or cottage cheese, fava beans, sausage, lunch meats, yeasts (except when in baked goods) or brewers yeast, canned meats or fish, ginseng and soups.
Other foods that MAY cause problems in large amounts (greater than 1/2 cup=large amounts): avocados, chocolate, spinach, soy sauce, caffeine, raspberries and peanuts. Certain over the counter meds will tell you not to take if taking MAOI's. Read the labels. Keeling over from a heart attack after eating a cheese souffle and downing it with a nice Chianti does not make for a great first date impression.

Kidney disease is so involved as to require a whole other post. It's next.

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KIDNEY DISEASE DIET
Kidney diseases mean that your body is no longer able to filter toxins and wastes efficiently. In order to lighten the work load on your kidneys, certain foods must be reduced or avoided altogether. The kidneys work (chemically) in conjunction with the heart so helping your kidneys also reduces the work load on your heart. Most of the calories you take in need to come from complex carbohydrates rather than proteins. Intake of fats need to be from polyunsaturated (or monounsaturated). A low protein, low sodium, low potassium diet is recommended.
You may also have to restrict fluid intake. Protein is hard for the kidneys to filter so an increased work load on kidneys when they're already damaged only causes more damage. Sodium (salt) is restricted because "water follows salt" so that if your sodium intake is more than your kidneys can deal with, you'll swell up like a toad and your blood pressure will skyrocket. Potassium is limited because, without proper filtering and excretion, it builds up and can cause lethal hearth rhythms. Calcium and phosphorous work in conjunction with each other and it's easy for those two to get out of balance.
Phosphorous usually goes up and calcium usually goes down.
Dairy products are high in phosphorous (and sodium, usually as well as protein) and are generally to be avoided. Foods high in sodium are pretty much everything in the door of your refrigerator; ie: ketchup, soy sauce, chips, almost all condiments and pre-packaged flavorings and seasonings. Foods high in protein are: meats, most nuts, several legumes. Basically, anything tasty, satisfying or filling is forbidden. Sux, but there are safe ways to spice up a bland diet.
Lean meats, fish, poultry and eggs are good sources of allowed proteins as they are high quality proteins.

If you're already on dialysis your diet will be different. Both pre and post dialysis diets are determined by a regular blood test.
Foods high in salt: table salt, canned foods (especially canned soups), pre-packaged or "convenience foods", processed foods, There are salt substitutes available but they usually contain a lot of potassium instead of sodium which is also a problem for those with kidney failure. Avoid salt substitutes.
Flavorings that CAN be used as substitutes are onions, vinegar, garlic, herbs, non-salty spices.
"Fluids" doesn't just pertain to pourable items but to anything that is liquid at room temperature, including gelatin (jello), ice cream and sherbet. Some foods with high water content to avoid are: apples, oranges, grapes, melons, lettuce, celery, soups and tomatoes.
There are a lot of foods high in potassium including meats, dairy products and dried beans. Avoid apricots, avocados, artichokes, bananas, brussel sprouts, chard, dried fruits and beans, grapefruit, kiwi, lima beans and melons, mangoes, nectarines, papaya, peaches, potatoes, pumpkins, prunes, pears, rhubarb, spinach, squash, tomatoes (in any form), vegetable juices.
Phosphorous is found in unsafe amounts for those with kidney disease in soda pop, peas, nuts and nut butters, dairy products.
Yes it's extremely restrictive but your life is worth the extra effort. If you've got a cool doctor, you may be able to bargain for an extra hour on dialysis in exchange for increased foods you like. I've seen dialysis patients bring in a bag of chips to be munched while hooked up to the filtering machine since that's the ONLY time you can risk eating those foods.

LOW SALT DIET
If your doctor has told you that you need to be on a low salt diet you've probably also been told a specific amount of sodium you're allowed to have, ie: 2 grams or 4 grams/day. It prevents fluid build up (for congestive heart failure, high blood pressure, kidney or liver disease). Salt is in a lot of things that you wouldn't normally consider. Salt is SODIUM chloride so things like baking soda (sodium carbonate) or MSG (monoSODIUM glutamate) are also sodium. Avoid the following:
buttermilk, cheese spreads, American cheese, Velveeta, Colby and cheddar cheeses. Canned veggies and soups are notoriously high in sodium so eat fresh. Even frozen vegetables are high in sodium IF they come with those flavor packages (salty seasonings). Pickled anything, including relishes and sauerkraut or "sweet-n-sour" sauce. Vegetables and tomatoes JUICES have a surprising amount of sodium and should be avoided. Again, eat fresh.
I know convenience foods are convenient but they're also loaded with sodium. Instant oatmeal and instant boxed foods, popcorn, salty snacks, canned meats, luncheon meats, jerky, sausage, caviar, dried fish, pot pies, frozen pizzas, canned nuts, butter (some butter is unsalted), salad dressings, black and green olives, baked goods, almost all condiments.

Finally we come to the effects of food on the GI tract. If you're constipated, eat these foods: dried or string beans, chocolate, raw fruits and veggies, spicy, fried or greasy foods, prune or grape juice, green leafy veggies, sweets, alcohol, wheat bran.
Foods that thicken stools: bananas, rice, bread, cheese, potatoes, creamy peanut butter, applesauce, tapioca, yogurt, pasta, pretzels, oatmeal and oat bran, grits, boiled milk.
Gas producing foods: beer, soda pop, dried and string beans, cucumbers, cruciferous veggies, dairy products, corn, radishes.
Foods that cause odors: fish, eggs, asparagus, garlic, beans, turnips, cruciferous veggies. (usually only an issue for those with stomas)
Foods that color stools:jello (red), beets.

This is probably more than you ever wanted to know about what that cheeseburger is doing in your gut and for that I apologize. Not everyone is in superb health or comes from a long genetic line of disease-free ancestors. They/we still deserve a shot at surviving. Knowledge is power. This information is presented in an attempt to empower you or a loved one during times when you may not be able to rely on putting your health in the hands of strangers.

*Bump* (because I never know if I post these things at a bad time or if there's truly no one interested.)

meat is murder.
if people are too slow tograsp this simple concept, i dont hold out too much hope of them living a healthy lifestyle /.

Thanks for stopping in, Ong Bak. What are your thoughts regarding those who are born with congenital deficiencies that require specific diets?

Also, I admit I'm slow to grasp the concept but, if "meat is murder" then, by extension, is milking a cow "slavery"? Is gathering chicken eggs "stealing"?

I'm not being sarcastic; I really want your opinion. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Ong Bak
meat is murder.
if people are too slow tograsp this simple concept, i dont hold out too much hope of them living a healthy lifestyle /.

Jesus Christ....it never fails, does it?

Excellent post, Whitewave.

But....where, exactly, did all this information come from?

-Dev

meat is murder though, that dude is right.
2nd line here.

If meat is murder, than either evolution has bloodlust or we were designed by a serial killer. The human body is designed to utilize primarily animal protein sources, not plant protein sources. There are a plethora of studies which are now showing that increased soy intake has deleterious effects on hormone levels, particularly in males.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
If meat is murder, than either evolution has bloodlust or we were designed by a serial killer. The human body is designed to utilize primarily animal protein sources, not plant protein sources. There are a plethora of studies which are now showing that increased soy intake has deleterious effects on hormone levels, particularly in males.

Actually, if you look at the disease dietary listings the OP has posted you'll note readily that the number one food products to avoid on the entire list is animal protein.

We already know that high quantities of animal protein causes quiet a few problems for humans, and red meats cause a host of inflammatory diseases. I agree with you on the soy issue, and I personally won't touch soy with a ten foot pole.

I also notice on this list that grains and legumes are another big problem, both of these are recent to the human diet with the advent of agriculture. Perhaps 10,000 years of toiling in the fields is not enough evolutionary time to properly digest the toxic compounds found in these foods?

Animals don't provide any health benefits that plants provide. For health and longevity, the human body requires the plethora of anti-oxidant, vitamins and minerals that plants are rich in. Great, we can get protein from animals, but you can't get anti-oxidants.

We're also not designed/evolved to consume cook foods, especially cooked meats which contain a ton of HCA's which are carcinogenic. Not to mention a plethora of mutagenic compounds that are created as well. Surely if this was meant to be our natural diet, then it would not be slowly killing us.

Perhaps you need to look into nutrition for the human body more closely and not buy the fubar reports given by the meat and dairy industries.

All I can say is the day I see someone suckling on the teat of a cow is the day I will believe that man was made to drink cows milk!

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S&F

Excellent post and hopefully people will notice the correlation of these various diseases and their link to the food we consume.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Originally posted by Ong Bak
meat is murder.
if people are too slow tograsp this simple concept, i dont hold out too much hope of them living a healthy lifestyle /.

Jesus Christ....it never fails, does it?

Excellent post, Whitewave.

But....where, exactly, did all this information come from?

-Dev

Mostly from my nursing books. I'm sure this information is generic and a lot of places list it. I sometimes forget that not everyone is just automatically familiar with this stuff. If I'd known then what I know now, I'd have become a nutritionist instead of a nurse. LOL. (Or a truck driver... anything but a nurse! LOL.)

Excellent post. Though, I must be a bit slow this morning. I'm reading over the metabolic syndrome diet for the third time and wondering "what *can* you eat?". The other ones make sense to me. The gluten free diet also works (despite my initial skepticism) for some children with autism. My son has made remarkable progress since elimination of gluten from his diet. Some other autistic children fare well on a gluten free, casein free diet.

Excellent post, Trust me, I know.

Eating is everything.

Learn from a Dietitian and do what is best for yourself. I have lost A LOT of weight since I did. Changed my life and my health-like I never thought it could.

Don't wait till it's too late. The real trick is learning how and what to eat.

Great post S&F.

I am sure most won't listen but when they need the info (and most will-IMO) they will know where to get it. )

Originally posted by sirnex

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
If meat is murder, than either evolution has bloodlust or we were designed by a serial killer. The human body is designed to utilize primarily animal protein sources, not plant protein sources. There are a plethora of studies which are now showing that increased soy intake has deleterious effects on hormone levels, particularly in males.

Actually, if you look at the disease dietary listings the OP has posted you'll note readily that the number one food products to avoid on the entire list is animal protein.

No need for lies:

GLUTEN FREE DIET: Avoid grains and processed carbs.
GERD DIET: Almost always relieved by limiting carbs.
HIGH PROTEIN DIET: Try a high protein diet without animal products.
CROHN'S DISEASE DIET: Relieved by limiting carbs.
DIET FOR INSULIN RESISTANCE: Avoid foods that spike blood sugar (Carbs)
PKU DIET: No processed carbs
KETOGENIC DIET: Less than 30g of carbs a day (to treat epilepsy and obesity)
LOW SALT DIET: The purpose of a low salt diet is to inhibit sodium retention, which is caused by excess insulin. The best way to prevent this is to avoid foods that spike blood sugar and insulin.....CARBS!

We already know that high quantities of animal protein causes quiet a few problems for humans, and red meats cause a host of inflammatory diseases.

Perhaps you need to look into nutrition for the human body more closely and not buy the fubar reports given by the meat and dairy industries.

You assume we know....based on "FUBAR" studies conducted by lipophobes and militant vegetarians.

-Dev

Originally posted by Mountainmeg
Excellent post. Though, I must be a bit slow this morning. I'm reading over the metabolic syndrome diet for the third time and wondering "what *can* you eat?".

Fat and protein....and non starchy vegetables, low glycemic fruits (peppers, avocados).

Actually, if you look at the disease dietary listings the OP has posted you'll note readily that the number one food products to avoid on the entire list is animal protein.

False. Please re-read the OP. You'll notice that many of the diets refer only to starchy or high glycemic index foods.

We already know that high quantities of animal protein causes quiet a few problems for humans, and red meats cause a host of inflammatory diseases.

False. Red meats actually contain less arachidonic acid (AA) than poultry. AA is a natural precursor to eicosanoids, inflammatory molecules that are routinely produced in your body (such as prostaglandins, thromboxanes, and leukotrienes).

I also notice on this list that grains and legumes are another big problem, both of these are recent to the human diet with the advent of agriculture. Perhaps 10,000 years of toiling in the fields is not enough evolutionary time to properly digest the toxic compounds found in these foods?

False. As I mentioned in another thread (which I won't fault you for not reading, I can't hold everyone accountable for reading everything I've ever posted, obviously), nomadic tribes from my home nation, Russia, use quote a few grains in their traditional foods. The difference, however, is that they don't bleach many western food factories do. Whole wheat is a wonderful addition to any diet. Personally, I still have a childhood love for kasha with honey in the morning.

Animals don't provide any health benefits that plants provide. For health and longevity, the human body requires the plethora of anti-oxidant, vitamins and minerals that plants are rich in. Great, we can get protein from animals, but you can't get anti-oxidants.

False. Two of the most powerful antioxidants (ascorbic acid and glutathione) are abundant in meats. Additionally, you can get vitamin A (another antioxidant) from eggs. Of course, I'm not saying plants are bad, I eat a salad for lunch nearly everyday. I'm merely pointing out the blatant falsity of your statement above.

We're also not designed/evolved to consume cook foods, especially cooked meats which contain a ton of HCA's which are carcinogenic. Not to mention a plethora of mutagenic compounds that are created as well. Surely if this was meant to be our natural diet, then it would not be slowly killing us.

The process of cooking does not produce these chemicals. It is the means by which you cook it. Obviously, using a carbon source (coal grill, gas grill) is worse than a microwave or skillet on a stove-top. Given, it's more likely to contain carcinogens than raw meat, but we can't all survive on carpaccio and sushi (as much as I would love to, at times).

Perhaps you need to look into nutrition for the human body more closely and not buy the fubar reports given by the meat and dairy industries.

Perhaps you need to pick up a basic biochemistry book and reconsider some of your blatantly false statements I've quoted above.

All I can say is the day I see someone suckling on the teat of a cow is the day I will believe that man was made to drink cows milk!

This is a common practice in many African regions, and was also not uncommon in medieval Europe and Russia.

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False. Please re-read the OP. You'll notice that many of the diets refer only to starchy or high glycemic index foods.

I think maybe you may need to re-read the OP. Notice I said *disease*, that's a huge contextual clue. If you don't understand context I will be more than happy to go over it with you in U2U.

False. Red meats actually contain less arachidonic acid (AA) than poultry. AA is a natural precursor to eicosanoids, inflammatory molecules that are routinely produced in your body (such as prostaglandins, thromboxanes, and leukotrienes).

There are numerous cancer studies I have read around the web all indicative of red meat consumption being linked to various diseases and cancers. All you've told me was that, yes they do, but poultry contains more of one specific inflammatory compound.

False. As I mentioned in another thread (which I won't fault you for not reading, I can't hold everyone accountable for reading everything I've ever posted, obviously), nomadic tribes from my home nation, Russia, use quote a few grains in their traditional foods. The difference, however, is that they don't bleach many western food factories do. Whole wheat is a wonderful addition to any diet. Personally, I still have a childhood love for kasha with honey in the morning.

If you do your research, grains are linked to a variety of diseases. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

False. Two of the most powerful antioxidants (ascorbic acid and glutathione) are abundant in meats. Additionally, you can get vitamin A (another antioxidant) from eggs. Of course, I'm not saying plants are bad, I eat a salad for lunch nearly everyday. I'm merely pointing out the blatant falsity of your statement above.

Yea, I remember reading that the Inuit get ascorbic acid by eating the stomach contents of Caribou... Last I heard, they don't eat meat. The eggs we get from our supermarkets are all 'factory' farmed eggs which contain carcinogenic chemicals. Woo, vitamin A and cancer to boot! OM NOM NOM NOM!

The process of cooking does not produce these chemicals. It is the means by which you cook it. Obviously, using a carbon source (coal grill, gas grill) is worse than a microwave or skillet on a stove-top. Given, it's more likely to contain carcinogens than raw meat, but we can't all survive on carpaccio and sushi (as much as I would love to, at times).

Are you serious? It's the process coupled with the intensity of HEAT. Go do your homework, I'm not your mommy and I refuse to hold your hand.

Perhaps you need to pick up a basic biochemistry book and reconsider some of your blatantly false statements I've quoted above.

Yea, biochemistry is a great tool also for making farm animals fatter. OK, so what exactly do you want me to learn? Proper nutrition or factory deeeelicious nutrition?

This is a common practice in many African regions, and was also not uncommon in medieval Europe and Russia.

Yea, it's a common practice amongst druggies to shoot up. Again, just because you can doesn't mean you should!

Really, all I've learned from this diatribe of nonsensical un-sourced garbage (yes I know I haven't sourced either ) is that you disbelieve the numerous studies available around the internet. Yet, like you said you can't hold me accountable for not reading every single post by you, I also can't really hold you accountable for not doing proper research on human nutrition. As much as I wish I had the time to hold your hand every step of the way, I sadly don't have that much time, so I leave you to your own opinions and devices.

Really, all I've learned from this diatribe of nonsensical un-sourced garbage (yes I know I haven't sourced either

) is that you disbelieve the numerous studies available around the internet. Yet, like you said you can't hold me accountable for not reading every single post by you, I also can't really hold you accountable for not doing proper research on human nutrition. As much as I wish I had the time to hold your hand every step of the way, I sadly don't have that much time, so I leave you to your own opinions and devices.

Well, you managed to step around every point I made, referring to every disease as "cancer" and thinking that inflammation plays some role in that specific disease process.

I find it very funny that your failure to produce any studies is your way of "not holding my hand". Sounds like a piss-poor excuse to me. I'll gladly pull references once I see yours.

Wow, I left earlier to go help clean up tornado damage around the neighborhood and come back to find another tornado tore through the thread. LOL.

We certainly have some knowledgeable people on the board. And really, I'm glad to see people interested enough in nutrition to be studying it from various angles.

It used to be that eating in moderation even using the faulty pyramid model while getting occasional exercise was enough to keep people slim and fairly in shape. With all the chemical additives and unnatural processes, genetic modification, hormones, antibiotics, and hybridized plants we really have to educate ourselves if we hope to stay healthy.