Burqa ban is 'un-Australian' say Muslims

Originally posted by belial259

Originally posted by Myrddin Wyllt
You call me a despot! Ha! I'm hardly the reason for failed ideology, as for Tyranny, how can you seriously talk about Tyranny in a Western country when Tyranny is the norm in a lot of muslim countries where women have no rights and no voice in their male dominated and controlled world?

Because we're turning into a police state. And you're right this is a western country, do you want it to be like theirs? Where you can't do or wear as you wish because of the law?

Maybe we should start making the Dalai Lama wear a pair of stubbies a singlet and some thongs when he comes down here because he's not fitting in too hey?

Oh and Nuns, can't let them wear their garb anymore. Covers their face.

And the Pope, he's got some rather elaborate head gear too doesn't he? That's gonna have to come off for national security!



[edit on 7-5-2010 by belial259]

No I don't want a country like theirs, neither do the ones escaping those countries.... obviously, they want a change to their sh!tty lives, and that's why they are escaping to a better world and trying to escape those prejudices, but when going to live in another country they must abide by that countries rules and laws, as voted for by the populous of that country, whether it affects their religion or not, otherwise go to a country which does follow and believe your ideals!

Your reference to the Dalai Llama - stupid and of no relevance, Can't remember ever seeing a masked nun with her face covered, and as for the Pope, nobody said a muslim woman couldn't wear a hat (no matter how stupid looking)!

Your points are getting less and less credible the more irate you are becoming by me proving you have no argumentative point, you are trolling!

Good Luck!

Originally posted by belial259
Even our Monarch is trying to hide her appearance with some weird traditional garb that might have some religious significance.

Look at her hiding away!




Should the Queen take her head covering off?

I know some people who feel uncomfortable with makeup.. Sticking that much powder in your face is not good, plus they look like plastic barbies..

But then again some girls like fine with makeup ^^ Some girls over do it..

The main point is and should be:

Don't ruin it for everyone please.. That is army rules, One person F's up, everyone get's punished for it..

Originally posted by belial259

Originally posted by riley
I had already said I DO NOT THINK TNEY SHOULD BAN IT. You speak of freedom of expression yet when I assert that you say I shoud be banned? Thats not asking for equality thats asking for special treatment. Double standards.

Double standards you say? Special treatment? I think you're the one that wants special treatment, by way of racially profiling one group of people by where they come from and what their religion is.

wtf? racially profiling? How do I racially profile someone I cannot even see? :shk:

You have a problem with Muslim women, wearing their head scarfs. Or Burkas or whatever you want to call them.

Do any of these women make you feel uncomfortable??

I agree you are trolling and are probably going for the white=racist angle. Nice try but in my VERY FIRST POST I said I do not have a problem with the head scarf and I said I do not think the burka should be banned. I certainly do not have a problem with muslim women.. I do not even feel uncomfortable seeing a woman with her face covered. I have a problem with trying to speak to someone who's eyes and face I cannot see. It is very awkward trying to socialise with someone when you do not even know what they look like.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by riley]

Originally posted by Myrddin Wyllt
No I don't want a country like theirs, neither do the ones escaping those countries.... obviously, they want a change to their sh!tty lives, and that's why they are escaping to a better world and trying to escape those prejudices, but when going to live in another country they must abide by that countries rules and laws, as voted for by the populous of that country, whether it affects their religion or not, otherwise go to a country which does follow and believe your ideals!

So we've had a vote on this then? I don't recall there being a referendum on the issue. I don't even recall seeing any of the parties running with this on their platform. I don't even recall hearing any of them talk about it. You know why? Because it would be political suicide.

And it certainly will be for Senator Cory Bernardi, who posted about this issue on his blog. The full extent of "democratic" involvement in this issue.

There is currently no rule or law that says they cannot wear Burkas. There has merely been a call for one.

So where exactly do you get off telling me to go to another country?

Originally posted by riley
I have muslim friends but they only cover their hair so there's no problems communicating.. they are aussie muslims. I do not like the full face veil as it's impossible for me to communicate with someone if I can't make eye contact. The "aussie" custom is to look someone in the eye when you are talking to them.. it is rude not so of course this will isolate some muslim women from the larger community. I do not think people are being racist when they avoid them.. they just have no idea how to approach them. The full face veil is not really compatable with our social customs. It also covers the arms so hides alot of body language which makes it more awkward.

I do not think it should be banned but I think people need to be more understanding as to why it makes people uncomfortable. Some people just have no idea how to interact with someone who is basically invisable to them.

Yes muslim culture should be respected.. but so should australian culture. You cannot expect one to step aside for the other and then claim thats fair.

I am reposting this as I already said I do not think the burka should be banned yet it's claimed I did. I have no doubt it will be disregarded anyway as some people are only here to bash aussies.

Originally posted by riley
I agree you are trolling and are probably going for the white=racist angle.

Nope.

And quite frankly I don't care about white or racism. I think the entire concept is ridiculous considering we know there is only one race. That being human.

I just don't like singling out one group of people because of the actions of a few, that might have been a false flag anyway.

It's not right what we're doing to these people and I feel ashamed that my country got involved in it at all.

They should be left alone to do as they want, and if anyone is uncomfortable with it they should just learn to be more tolerant of different things.

Originally posted by oozyism

I seen young girls being pimped on.. around shopping malls.. 20 bux for BJ..

And you know this how exactly?

IRM

[edit on 7/5/10 by InfaRedMan]

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I complety agree with you on that.
Well said.

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Maybe someone mistook him for a young girl?

I know I would feel sick if that happened to me...

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And you know this how exactly?

IRM

Because I get out of the house once in a while (get what I mean), if you read my whole post you would have known that, instead of asking the same question which had the answer within the same freakin post..

GOSH..

I don't restrict myself to online social forum, or social networks..

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

Maybe someone mistook him for a young girl?

I know I would feel sick if that happened to me...

Trying to turn a serious fact on the ground in to a joke, but then again what else should I be expecting

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

And you know this how exactly?

IRM

Because I get out of the house once in a while (get what I mean), if you read my whole post you would have known that, instead of asking the same question which had the answer within the same freakin post..

GOSH..

I don't restrict myself to online social forum, or social networks..

I was having a joke with you FFS! Lighten up... and don't pretend to know what I do or don't do in my life.

PS: Do you need $20? I'm happy to lend it to you if your dole check hasn't come in!

IRM

reply to post by oozyism


Ehh everyone needs a little humour.

Better than your earlier strawman arguments don't you think?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

Maybe someone mistook him for a young girl?

I know I would feel sick if that happened to me...

PMSL Chad!

You have a knack for saying so much with so few words. Kudos my friend!

IRM

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^^
In my book it is never wrong to laugh, these days people laugh even when they are kicked in the ballz..

I've thought of something else. What if a man in a Burka went into a womens changing room?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by oozyism

 

Ehh everyone needs a little humour.

Better than your earlier strawman arguments don't you think?

If you want to argue against my supposed straw man arguments don't hesitate to do so.

Other wise just stick to your jokes.

By attempting to ban Burqa , the progressive western societies are actually emulating the non progressive eastern socities .

Baa-aaah , what goes around , does come around .

Those who argue for banning of it ; let me ask you , how is it that you are missing the point ?

By banning it , one becomes an oppressor .


Don't you realise that the same ethics would be used in future to pass other laws which would hurt you and your freedoms too ?

How about a barbie ban ?

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Well I can't really argue it.

you call Riley a liar, despite the fact that what she said was a personal observation.

You've somehow turned that into her lying.

Buggered if I know how but it's text book strawman.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by oozyism

 

Well I can't really argue it.

you call Riley a liar, despite the fact that what she said was a personal observation.

You've somehow turned that into her lying.

Buggered if I know how but it's text book strawman.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

So are you saying she doesn't feel uncomfortable when she talks to random guys on internet who's eyes she can't see? Or does she find it impossible to communicate through other mediums such as a conversation through the phone?

Umm straw man, lol

I think you should stick to your jokes