Burqa ban is 'un-Australian' say Muslims

Burqa ban is 'un-Australian' say Muslims

www.heraldsun.com.au

A CALL for a controversial ban on wearing the burqa in public has split opinion and sparked outrage from the Muslim community who labelled it a political stunt.

Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi yesterday sparked outrage after he called for the Islamic headdress to be banned following an earlier robbery in a Sydney store by a burqa clad man.

Writing on his personal blog, the outspoken senator said the veil was "emerging as the preferred disguise of bandits and n'er do wells".

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It didn't take long for this popular banning to reach Australia. The 'news' is front page on today's main newspaper in Melbourne. There's got to be some kind of agenda going on behind closed doors to push the headline in the face of all Victorians.

As per usual, with this kind of thread, it's a ridiculous argument about 'security' trumping the rights of the individual. Yeah, right... we should all be reminded how we should all live in fear every day of our lives.

There's a few interviews with Melbourne Muslims coming right up on the 5pm MSM TV News, as I type this.

www.heraldsun.com.au
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i bet if you tryed to walk about in a ski mask all day shopping etc. you would be arrested ... so whats the difference to wearing a burka?.. freedom to wear what you want or just two fingers up to the government and everybody else who have to live by basic security laws.. if they dont like it they can always go live in a muslim country...

OP, I concur whole-heartedly. Another law soon to be born because of one example or one man's commentary. What a free society we are here in Australia. Quickly being recognised by those Aussies who can THINK as the home of alcoholism, racism, and rampant bogan-nationalism.

The French President tried to enforce something similar last year, and it was widely rejected by the greater public as an affront to freedom of religion, et cetera. I just wonder however, in a country so blind and stupid whether such a thing might come to fruition through acceptance. I doubt it, but who really knows?

I might start wearing a burka and entering petrol stations, which are by and large operated by people of middle-eastern descent anyway...

Dont Wear them here if you want to do that then go back to your own homeland.

Its Either show your face or back.


Thats how i see it sorry this doesn't scream rights.


I don't Want Islam showing me how they treat women like dirt
Covering up there faces for what?

Its not the Dark ages or the middle ages people.





[edit on 7-5-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

^oh lord.

You sir, are a complete moron. Couldn't care less if my post gets removed, but what a load of utter tripe. I wouldn't want to live in your united states, if you had any real say over what was accepted practice.

There are, believe it or not, muslim women who CHOOSE to wear the burka. I know this for a fact, because I listen to people concerned. Its a religious choice. Now, religion itself is a whole other kettle of fish--personally I think it a load of rubbish but nevertheless--if you believe you ought to wear it...and WANT to...no government ruled by the ridiculous ought to stop you. Especially those governing a country all about the right to expression anyway you see fit.

More people ought to hide their face. You might pay attention to what they're saying over what they look like. A valuable lesson yet to be learnt in occidental culture me thinks.

Wow...you know I'm starting to wonder and this is probably going to come out wrong but I shall try my best. Does it seem like a variety of nations are having their views or better yet rights being changed/altered due to newer influences? I'm sure we all know the prime example of what America is going through so I won't have to list that, but now looking at Australia this seems to be just a re-occurring problem over there as illegal immigration is over here.

Is there something going on that I personally don't know about? It just seems like everything that we have come to know for the past few years in our select countries. Slowly it seems as if the views, laws, and way in which every day life is conducted is slowly being altered by this influx of new people in the country. It seems like they [the people altering the countries] want to start a new life, but yet still hold onto their own views in which they begin to take to the extreme.

P.S. I'm hoping this didn't come off as offensive I was trying not to make it, but being that it's 4:00 AM the tone I wish to convey may have slipped through the cracks.

Well I personally may not be over in Australia, but I will say this as my last statement. How can they say banning Burqa is un-Australian. Even though I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, I never once took Australia for being a Muslim country.

reply to post by Milleresque


If I cant walk down the street in Saudi Arabia wearing nothing but my black lace man thong, then the burqa has no place in Australia.

No seriously, if you come to australia leave your burqa at the gate.
Adapt to Aussie culture or get out. Simple.




[edit on 7-5-2010 by Pryde87]

I would have no problem with women wearing burqa's in western society if western beliefs and religion were equally respected in Islamic countries... but they are not. Respect is a two way street.

For example:

In my culture I am allowed to drink alcohol or rent a room in a hotel with my girlfriend but if I went to a country such as Saudi Arabia, I am forced to live by their Islamic rules or be punished. No respect is payed to my culture at all. When I am in an Islamic country, I am expected to toe the line and conform to their social norms. Why can't they do the same in our countries? Why can't they compromise in our countries as we are expected to in theirs?

I cannot live by western laws in an Islamic country (nor would I expect to). I would be respectful of their way of life. Yet many muslims are pushing to live by Sharia law in western countries. IMHO, this shows a complete lack of respect for our culture.

Muslims even get special interest free loans from our banks now because they are against usury. In some places, it is even frowned upon to wish someone a Merry Christmas due to political correctness and 'cultural sensitivities'. Some banks have even been forced to stop selling piggy banks because it upsets muslims.

Sorry Tezza. I don't feel your outrage mate! But I do feel outrage when muslims feel they can tell me what is or isn't Australian.

IRM

[edit on 7/5/10 by InfaRedMan]

Why the hell should we compromise our security simply because someone says it's "un-Australian". You know what I think is un-Australian.. Wearing a Burqa, nothing is Australian about it apart from the fact that it represents multiculturalism.

And then someone says "But Australia is a multicultural country"

Yes, it is.. Every western country is a multicultural country, because we're all so scared of being called a bigot, a racist or a redneck.

And that's what this is, It will always be the defense of the Muslims and all the other political correctness Nazi's out there.

This is why they should be banned,

Jury sees 21 July 'burka escape'

"CCTV images of one of the 21 July bomb suspects apparently fleeing London in a Muslim veil have been shown in court.

The jury at Woolwich Crown Court saw footage of Yassin Omar, 26, wearing a black full-length dress and burka with a handbag over his arm.

He is said to have travelled by bus to Birmingham from Golders Green in north London on 22 July 2005 - the day after an alleged attempt to bomb the Tube."

news.bbc.co.uk...



Burka-wearing robber raids jeweller

A robber has worn a burka as a disguise to carry out a raid on a jewellery shop.

"The cross-dressing criminal used the black head-to-toe garment, favoured by some Muslim women, along with a hijab or face veil, showing only his eyes, to hide his identity.

Owners of the jewellers in Bury, Greater Manchester thought the 6ft robber was a woman and allowed him entry but as soon as he was buzzed in three men barged in behind him - one brandishing a shotgun."

uk.news.yahoo.com...

.......... and I could go on and on, look for yourselves!

You ain't even allowed in a shopping complex here in the UK if you wear a hoodie!

I got no problems with headscarves etc, but anything that covers the face is, as far as I'm concerned, unacceptable.

Okay, so wearing a crucifix around your neck is up for criminalisation.

Can't have a crazy death-cult representing itself about the throat...because so many gangsters are wearing them these days.

Its the same godamn argument. If you're from italy, and a catholic, and wearing such religious icons...well, sorry...too bad. Its now against the law.

Oh and okay, there are PLENTY of other outfits one could wear to escape identification via CCTV footage. Banning a religious garment because of its use in an illegal activity is sheer nonsense. Its like banning motorcycle clubs. People who would be homicidal, drug dealing lunatics whether they flew kites or rode push-bikes.

Ha...what hypocrisy...and what a laugh I'm having recognising how doomed, and veritably racist nation we are...hiding from the fact all the while. Wishforwings, are you a member of the ADF? I pity you.

reply to post by Milleresque


you say

"Oh and okay, there are PLENTY of other outfits one could wear to escape identification via CCTV footage. Banning a religious garment because of its use in an illegal activity is sheer nonsense. Its like banning motorcycle clubs. People who would be homicidal, drug dealing lunatics whether they flew kites or rode push-bikes. "

Name me one disguise you can wear in an airport and not have to show your face to board a plane, try doing that wearing a Crash Helmet........ your point is flawed and has no validity!

Allowing anyone to wear a Burka, board planes and enter or leave a country unchecked is sheer nonsense!

To those saying they should be banned because Australians are not allowed to dress how they want in Saudi Arabia, I think you should rethink the issue. Many of the reasons Muslims decide to come to the West is so that they can escape the severe rules of countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Australia is such a sort-after destination for immigrants because it is known as a country where one is free to express their religious beliefs, or lack of beliefs

However, this does not give a religious minority the right to break laws of our country. For example, will burqas be allowed to be worn inside banks and supermarkets? Helmets, costumes and masks are generally banned in these places so it would be outrageous to allow wearing the burqa in these same places.

Although that makes you wonder "well, when exactly will they be wearing it?" if it is banned in these places. Sort of begs the question "should burqas be banned in Australia". My answer is yes they should be banned because there are only a very limited number of places where they can legally be worn. Maybe a happy medium is encouraging those who wish to wear the burqa, to wear a head scarf instead. Fair compromise I say.


[edit on 7/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Again, are implying that those who elect to wear burkas and boarding planes are intent on terrorism?

Your point has equally less "validity".

I could board a plane wearing levis and nikes, slip a ski mask over my head and do what I will. Period. #, why use the mask? I could do it in plain clothes...and be less conspicuous for it. I could hijack a bus in stubbies and thongs and carry out mass murder. I could...

god, maybe we ought to ban any dress/clothing whatsoever...sure would remove the need for x-ray devices in our airports.

You're really getting the horse before the cart on this issue. Do you watch "today tonight" by any chance? Or "A Current Affair"?

Originally posted by Milleresque
Again, are implying that those who elect to wear burkas and boarding planes are intent on terrorism?

Your point has equally less "validity".

I could board a plane wearing levis and nikes, slip a ski mask over my head and do what I will. Period. #, why use the mask? I could do it in plain clothes...and be less conspicuous for it. I could hijack a bus in stubbies and thongs and carry out mass murder. I could...

god, maybe we ought to ban any dress/clothing whatsoever...sure would remove the need for x-ray devices in our airports.

You're really getting the horse before the cart on this issue. Do you watch "today tonight" by any chance? Or "A Current Affair"?

You are missing the point completely.... would you be allowed through customs and board a plane if you were wearing a ski mask, the simple answer is no, yet anyone can wear a burka and board a plane without having to show their face, as is proven by the first article. If they had checked they would have seen that the person in the burka was 6ft plus MAN and he would not have got away! There's my VALIDITY!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, bad sarcasm is just ignorance!

reply to post by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
I would have no problem with women wearing burqa's in western society if western beliefs and religion were equally respected in Islamic countries... but they are not. Respect is a two way street.

If you have no problem with it than why complain about it? The fact is there are many reasons why you wouldn't be interested in living in an Islamic country. Duh!, but how can you ever expect other countries to accept your ways if you're unwilling to accept their way?

Somebody has to make the first move an accept the others way first. Just because they might not accept our Western values in our lifetimes doesn't mean that someday they won't.

No, I realize I'm not an Aussie - I'm from the U.S.A., but it really doesn't bother me what other people wear or do. We don't allow ski masks, costume masks or motorcycle helmets inside casinos or financial institutions (banks etc.), but I'm not sure about religious costumes like the Burqa. I imagine they have to show themselves or use ATM, Drive through, internet or phone banking. Perhaps somebody else can chime in.

Seems to me there's much more bigotry in Australia than here in the U.S. as I don't really see why it bothers you that people wear their religious garb. I suppose it is seen as flaunting their ways, but I really doubt that is their intent.

Then again it's your country, so you're entitled to do whatever you damn well please - more power to you.

When religion is used to separate peoples instead of bringing them together it really serves nobody.


[edit on 7-5-2010 by verylowfrequency]

So, that ban is unAustralian?

What about when people visit Muslim countries and they are told to wear this and that blah blah blah.

If people choose to live in a certain country, and that country is kind enough to take them in, they should comply with the rules of that country.

If I was someone living in Australia, I would be very careful to follow their rules.

Who moves into these Muslim countries telling you what to wear? NO-ONE.

Also, wearing a yashmak can hide anyone.

Aus - please ban them!

PS Also the burqa.

Hey, if you are living in Oz, you are living in the land of the free, and you are sooooo lucky - forget wearing all that crap.

My brother works with a muslim lad and they engage in religious conversation quite regularly, the lad is very polite and only too willing to discuss Islam in a calm, non radicalised manner. When asked about the Burka, this is basically how the conversation went,

brother - "Why do some muslim women cover their faces?"

muslim lad - "To stop them from driving man to sin",

brother - "So you see it as a sin to look at a woman's face....."

muslim lad - "no no, it's a sin to have inappropriate thoughts about a woman who is not your wife, so if you can't see their face, they cannot drive you to sin"

brother - "Why do muslim men grow their beards?"

muslim lad - "To stop women finding men attractive and then driving men to sin!"

brother - "What! So basically muslim women cover their faces and muslim men grow long beards because muslim men can't be trusted to be around women without having indecent thoughts about them, then have the audacity to blame the women if they do have these indecent thoughts!"

muslim lad - "um..................."

Obviously this is just one lad explaining as he see's or has been taught, why the burka is worn. It seems a very one sided argument which is also very sexist.