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Originally posted by arthurium
lowki2 said: "looks like you might be well on your way to 4th density."
lowki2, can you explain further?
You talk often about then having physical bodies, and an agenda.
How can they be "real" and "of our own psyches" at the same time?
Originally posted by RKallisti
Most of the things you speak of we already know (well, I do at least).
But there's just one thing that I am not quite understanding yet...
Aside from my (possible) experiences with Greys in my childhood (and why not, throughout other years of my life), and as far as I understand, the Greys that I know of are Service-to-Self entities (not a bad thing), but you're showing a more Service-to-Others nature (not a bad thing either), which you also do in behalf of your Social Memory Complex.
So, I am left to assume that not the whole Grey race of extraterrestrials are Service-to-Self. Which means that different Social Memory Complexes have chosen different paths, correct?
You also mention (if I'm not mistaken) that those Greys visiting Earth are 3rd Density Greys only, and that 4th Density Greys (or above) do not make contact, at least not physically. Have I understood you well?
Just one more thing, as far as I understand, a Service-to-Other extraterrestrial would never abduct another being without that being's consent and free willing voluntary compliance. Service-to-Others cannot forcefully interfere in someone else's life due to the infringement of the Law of Free Will.
It is Service-to-Self entities that do that.
Besides, abductees most often remember fear, discomfort and insecurity while being abducted and "experimented" on, something which is more akin to the Service-to-Self path.
So what have you to say on that?
Originally posted by Senz20
OK, I have one quick question.
Is there a such thing as "surplus karma". like some kind excess karma that you can spend when in need?
Because i was doing a project, and got hit in the eye with a paper plane. It should have taken out my eye. long story short; my eye is still intact.
I feel that my actions over the past few days are full of good karma, so did I spend some of my karma in order to keep my eye?
And, how did i know that i was going to get hit in the eye? It was just calling out to me that it was going to happen.
ive predicted many things before. what does this mean?
*shrugs* well they are oriented towards improving their own experience, I guess by goaling perfect-host-bodies you can say they benefit all creation.
Sure ants are kinda like soldiers, lol.
Ants also spread, reproduce and make new hives.
Actually personally, I support all tiers of evolution,
so we with you are biological beings,
realize there are wind, fire and solid creatures also.
Actually they can make contact,
even 5th density Arcturians can do so,
simply have to lower vibration or host-body.
It's also cause you didn't ask to be abducted.
so they can't serve you, if you didn't ask to be served.
It's true that service-to-self are doing it for themselves.
It's also true that improving a genome is beneficial to creation.
Also note there are homo-sapien scientists,
that act in the same way towards laboratory animals,
as well as factory farmers who commit their own atrocities.
Originally posted by RKallisti
I know. So do I support all tiers of evolution, as you call them.
Now, the "elemental" entities are 1st Density. So you tell me you have memories of that?
I know you could very well manifest yourself in "humanoid" form, the same way a fairy or forest sprite could be the manifestation of a tree, but still it would be 2nd Density (in this case).
I know they can. I just wanted to know which Grays (from what Densities) are interacting with Terra.
Can you tell me more on that?
And what can you tell me about the Dow?
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
it's generally correct information.
In terms of the Andromedan Council
The Dow broke Cosmic Law as decreed by the Andromedan Council by interfering with a developing world.
yes we don't need to ask them for permission,
just as you wouldn't have to ask some socialist council.
understandably socialist councils tend to be slow,
and they have the ability to say no,
so why bother asking them?
Anyhow it's cosmically just fine,
just like you have the freedom to be here,
everyone else also has the freedom to be here.
"don't interfere with developing world"
that's just their way of making a monopoly on developing worlds,
they are like "no, you can't 'interefere' with them, and we define what 'interefere' means."
honestly with 6 star-being races (blacks, east-asians, polynesians, hebrews, arabs, nordics) on this planet, how can anyone imagine that there hasn't been "interference" the whole time...
it's just some silly political ploy with little to do with actual cosmic laws or karma.
they are just upset that they didn't get accepted by the ruling elite of this planet.
Since the ruling elite saw through their outward displays of benevolence,
and understood that deep down they are just socialist autocrats.
Indeed perhaps if the Federation had talked to the UN people that sit at desks,
they might have made enough of a lasting impression to get some foothold,
unfortunately they were stuck talking to the military,
which really saw the federation as their own extinction.
lol but what really gets me,
is that now the reptilians have been invited,
lol, that's just hilarious, cause they eat people. lol
Well it's okay, if you remember the dinosaurs,
this used to be a reptilian planet for a long time.
That means there certainly is precedent for them calling earth home.
Also we'd have to make the laws on murder more lax,
since you can't take away natural means of subsistence,
As it says in the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
honestly the federation with their anti-evolution programs,
with the don't kill, don't defend your territory,
just leads to weaklings and softies.
Look at Earths over population,
that could all be solved,
with a some hungry reptilians,
to help cull the masses,
letting the smart and strong thrive.
Just as nature intended.
It's also cause you didn't ask to be abducted.
so they can't serve you, if you didn't ask to be served.
We're perfectly clear on that. I was just pointing out that STS call themselves, thus infringing the Law of Free Will, while STO only respond to The Call (except in special cases, of course), thus maintaining the Law of Free Will.
that's only half the law of free will.
one half is you wish for something, and you get it,
the other is someone wish for something and they get it.
So the grays are practicing free-will,
by getting the DNA or resources,
to sustain their species.
I just see progress, advancement and evolution through both the STO and STS Paths (until 6th Density where they become reconceiled).
sure, that's great :-) *hugs*
Originally posted by sphinx551
reply to post by lowki
Lowki,
Have you attained Christ Consciousness?
Thanks.
Well I can communicate telepathically with the Arcturians and Federation if that's what you mean.
I'm certain many people including Christians can also interact with them.
If you mean something else by Christ Consciousness,
then you'd have to be more specific :-).edit on 20/11/10 by lowki because: reptilian culling
Originally posted by sphinx551
reply to post by lowki
I am just curious. Perhaps I asked this before.
Did the Grey Aliens create or modify the East Asians? Some East Asians I see really look like Grey Aliens.
Thanks.
Originally posted by imnessie
Seems like Gray is the new Black.
What happened to the green men from the red planet?
Originally posted by bluestreak53
reply to post by lowki
Hello lowki,
I just happened to open this thread today so I haven't read through it all.
I do find it quite fascinating to read as I have some family history that seems related to the greys and/or other alien groups. My mother had conscious recollection of meeting aliens when she was very young and living on a farm in northern Saskatchewan in the 1930s. She had a sister who could remember coming to earth from another planet and incarnating on earth as a human.
My own memory is different. I seem to have memory of only two past incarnations. The most recent one I was a human who was “taken” by the greys and lived amongst them for several months while waiting for my next incarnation. I remember meeting my parents on this spacecraft. I don't know where this spacecraft was located while I was staying with the aliens, however my father told me of a dream he had which suggested this spaceship (which was very large – maybe 800 foot diameter and more than 100 feet high), that it was in some sort of an underground cavern. In my father's dream, he was given a “flying saucer” because he had rescued an alien from drowning in a river. The flying saucer would respond to his telepathic command and come and pick him up, then take him someplace. In his dream, he went into a lake and then into a cavern with a hidden, underwater entrance. When the flying saucer got into the cavern it went inside a large spaceship. I don't know how the spaceship got into the cavern.
It might be just a dream, but I suspect it might somehow link up with my memory of meeting my father and mother when I was living with the “aliens”.
I still don't know why I went to live with the aliens but one thing I do remember is that I met someone on earth before this happened. I was asked to volunteer for the mission, even though it meant separation from my family. The “man” I met here on earth was actually an alien I believe.
What I recall from living with the aliens is that they didn't want to reveal their plans to earth at that time. This was the early 1950s, and their plans were for quite some time in the future.
I should say that I have no conscious memory of ever having met aliens in this life, although when I was very young I had a recurring dream where I was taken from my bedroom by “the man in the moon”. I do wonder about my dreams. Many of my dreams seem to take place on other planets which have highly advanced technologies where the skies are filled with very large and strange flying machines. I also remember one place which had very large complex buildings which had some sort of living exterior covered in plants and trees and waterfalls.
The only other incarnation I seem to remember, I was a falconer. I don't know if this was medieval Europe or Asia.
What I remember from the end of my last incarnation was I had stripped down to my underwear, and I had to lower myself into some sort of capsule which was filled with a liquid of some sort. I was afraid I would drown but was assured that all I would experience was the sensation of falling asleep – except when I woke up, I would be a baby. I would not have my memories, but it would still be me. All of this happened in the spaceship with the aliens. My parents were there and the other man from earth who was with me when we were captured.
I thought it interesting to read that you remember being in Antarctica the one time when you were taken as a human (from what I recall reading).
Of course, I have no way of proving any of this to anyone, so I am not asking anyone to believe it. I am just saying these are some of my recalls for what they are worth.
Originally posted by SystemResistor
Ok, I have a question. To unify the people of Earth, a "social memory complex" must be established, like a "framework" or a "global mindset" - and this framework has complex underpinnings in psychological development, and genetic development.
That said, its all a very "scientific" observation of reality. However, isn't there a tradeoff, perhaps by creating a "system" you are also creating a polarity, as those that choose not to obey the system,
yet still have good intentions,
will come under scrutiny and suffering as long as they choose not to join.
Myself, as resisting the system, can see the "other side" - for example, when observing some of your very beautiful hybrids talking, when I tune my mind to thier "side" then it seems positive, and "good" - however, when I interpret what they say while connecting to thier very souls, to the underlying intent behind the system (that is, decoding it) - what they say is very damaging, very hurtful.
Now, if I react "negativley" then I would appear aggressive to them,
however, when I react positivley, basically, letting them harm me,
as if I am being prevented from being myself, especially when it comes to family members.
They all think that I just have to "join" however the system itself is holding me back from expressing my true positive light, and thus, the system both oppresses me,
and offers me some kind of "freedom" at the same time. I can't help but to think it is a deception in some way, whether you guys realise it or not. The more I resist the system, the more attacks I receive,
for example, I am familiar with your bioplasmic exchange techniques, that is, giving me a new "spiritual body" in my sleep, then I wake up "different" and "converted" - however, I have been fully lucid when these things were happening, they take some kind of "vacuum" and try to pull my soul from my body, holding down my hands and feet and trying to wriggle my soul from my body. This whole "plan" has caused me much pain, much isolation
My message is that you cannot escape polarity, it is a part of the universe, there is no "solution" - things have to be random, there must be unpredictability,
when things are "good" for too long then there is stagnation,
the mind becomes smaller, the imagination diminishes, the will starts to shrink.
Creation and Destruction are a part of life and existance, and you must be able to strike a balance between the two.
I am angry because I feel pain.
Hey, perhaps you guys can sort of make an exception for me, remove me from the "system" so I can be free and be myself again... I feel like I am being grabbed from behind and being pulled in.