Riot Cops Killed Newspaper Seller At G20

Originally posted by stumason
Even when I have been arrested, they treated me with respect, courtesy and were nothing short of down right nice. Do you know why? Because I didn't act like a tit when they came for me and treated them with the respect I wanted for myself. I was the only one in the cell block allowed to have my cell door open, keep my fags and lighter on me and even had them bring me a McDonalds as the curry they gave me was pretty lame.

Ahh, reminds me of a new years eve many years ago, where a row of police lined up ready to evacuate the street in a very public area right on midnight, and one looked me in the eye and said "I'm not shaking your f****** hand." as I held mine out saying "Happy New Year."

Then, it was slapping drinks out of hands, threats filled with expletives and hate, while making sure all us criminal new years eve revelers did not celebrate new years eve ONE second into the new year.

To say the crowd did not like these pigs is an understatement. And it's been the same every year since.

This was in Fremantle, at a spot where new years used to be fun. Now Perth in general turns into a pumpkin at the last stroke of 12 on new years eve.

Never met a cop I like. Never expect I will. The guy I met working as a factory hand when I was 15, who turned out to be an ex-cop who quit due to all the corruption, was even a bit of a tosser.

Yep, arrogance, intimidation, despite how polite and respectful I've been, as been the way of things.

I no more respect a gang of home invaders than a gang in blue pretending to uphold the law. Cretins the lot of them.



[edit on 4/7/2009 by bloodcircle]

Originally posted by Acidtastic
In this picture, it certainly looks like he's got a big bruise on the side of his head.
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You're trying to see something to justify your position. I see no bruise there. I see a mask over his face for the breathing apparatus, but no bruise. The autopsy would have recorded such a bruise, but evidentally did not.

It is not that far fetched to think an overweight, middle aged man who is caught up in the rather exciting events of that day, might just keel over and have a heart attack.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
RIP Ian Tomlinson, the decent people of this country will seek justice for your untimley death. And one way or another, we'll get it.

I find that sentiment nothing short of disgusting, to use the death of an 'innocent bystander' as a martyr for a misguided cause

How d'you think his family would feel to know that you are exploiting his death to further your agenda?



[edit on 7-4-2009 by citizen smith]

It's also not far fecthed to say that nazi pigs with their mob mentality and charming ways, killed him. Which is what happened, if you take in account all of the people who saw just what happened. And I don't need a picture to justify my feelings on this case, the police actions have justified my feelings on this case. And towards them for the rest of my life. I will forever hate them with a passion. Protectors of themselves, not the people. They've killed too many people. It's about time some of them got a reality check. In the form of a massive violent beating. And it's just on the horizon. You can quote me on that. (watch out on May 2nd, it's gonna grow from here on in)

Originally posted by citizen smith

Originally posted by Acidtastic
RIP Ian Tomlinson, the decent people of this country will seek justice for your untimley death. And one way or another, we'll get it.

I find that sentiment nothing short of disgusting, to use the death of an 'innocent bystander' as a martyr for a misguided cause

How d'you think his family would feel to know that you are exploiting his death to further your agenda?



[edit on 7-4-2009 by citizen smith]

well, his wife led the march on saturday, against police kettling tactics. So make of that what you will.

And I';m sorry for disgusting you with my views, but those scummers have got me and many others, very angry. They are going to get some of their own medicine. In large doses. I believe fully that police agression should be campaigned about



[edit on 7/4/2009 by Acidtastic]

most police officers are serial killers they believe they can get away with anything with their warrant badge

Originally posted by Acidtastic
I'm sorry for disgusting you with my views, but those scummers have got me and many others, very angry. They are going to get some of their own medicine. In large doses. I believe fully that police agression should be campaigned about

Campaigned about? campaigned about? You're not advocating anything like that! Why not be totally honest and admit that you are using any and every excuse you can find to back-up a polarised view of 'them & us' in order to justify the use of the very same violence you are complaining of the police using.



[edit on 7-4-2009 by citizen smith]

Originally posted by citizen smith

Originally posted by Acidtastic
I'm sorry for disgusting you with my views, but those scummers have got me and many others, very angry. They are going to get some of their own medicine. In large doses. I believe fully that police agression should be campaigned about

Campaigned about? campaigned about? You're not advocating anything like that! Why not be totally honest and admit that you are using any and every excuse you can find to back-up a polarised view of 'them & us' in order to justify the use of the very same violence you are complaining of the police using.



[edit on 7-4-2009 by citizen smith]

Ok, I admit it

happy?

The only way we'll over throw the goverment, is with a total war agsint them. the people, united, will never be defeated. Unless of course, they're drinking water which is drugged with mood stabalisers.

yes, I want anarchy, yes i want to see our goverments fail. Yes, i want peace on our streets. But before we get to that, there's a long battle to fight. I want to help liberate the people from the clutches of forces that most don't even know about. I feel it's my duty, as I know about these regimes in place to control us all, to stand up and actually do something about it. A few people changing bank accounts will do nothing, unless everyone does it. And they won't. Because most people can't see a problem in the world, they don't know any different. it doesn't have to be like this. There are MUCH better ways of running a world than the way this world is being run.

[edit on 7/4/2009 by Acidtastic]

As much as I hate to admit it and although I firmly believe that the police ultimately caused his death the guy wasn't as innocent as he is being made out to be. Please read my account on the last page.

Originally posted by RE2505
As much as I hate to admit it and although I firmly believe that the police ultimately caused his death the guy wasn't as innocent as he is being made out to be. Please read my account on the last page.

you said he smelt like he'd been drinking. This isn't news, the guy lived in a hostel for alchoholics.

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You want Anarchy and peace on the streets? Odd combination of wants there.

Back at the dawn of civilisation, there was Anarchy.

Families were self-governing entities. Humanity didn't progress one bit for millenia. It wasn't until the advent of agriculture and people congregating into larger units, such as clans/tribes etc that civilisation took off. Each little village or town was it's own entity.

Do you know what the constant theme for people was back then, when anarchic government was abound?

War.

The strong would attack the weak. Those who didn't have what someone else had would take it from them, usually killing all the men folk, raping the women and enslaving the children in the process.

So what did humanity do?

Bunch together into bigger entities for safety. In order to manage these larger conglomerations of people, laws needed to be created and a Government formed. Kings were charged with the defence of the realm, to protect people from foreign invaders, bandits and thieves. It is the natural order of things.

If you created anarchy now, it would eventually evolve into a Government, given time. It is a romantic notion based on a false idea that all people can live together in harmony, working for the greater good and not have anyone go against the grain and take what they wanted. You know as well as I do that will never be the case.

Law and order is a necessary evil if people are to live together in large groups. Anarchy just allows the strong complete control over the weak.

So you finally reveal your true intentions Acidtastic. I'm hardly surprised.

The G20 "protests" were filled with people exactly like you- willing to use violence, unbacked by a philosophical doctrine or political cause.

Remember the march against the Iraq war? 1 million people united under a single demand and cause- and not a trace of this anarchistic, militant tendency shown by the G20 protesters/ your posts.

Precisely what is it that you want? What policies do you wish to see enacted with such fervour that you would gratutiously kill policemen?

Please enlighten me, because I absolutely cannot figure it out. All I can see is a return of the militant anarchist... someone who merely wants to cause destruction and mayhem for absolutely no reason. That's the real reason that you keep calling cops "Nazi pigs"... you're trying to justify your irrational hatred of policemen by polarising opinion.

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I also said he deliberatley stood with his back to a police van trying to get through. So in my opinion he wasn't just caught up in the protests he was taking part.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer

The G20 "protests" were filled with people exactly like you- willing to use violence, unbacked by a philosophical doctrine or political cause.

totally contradicts what all the reportts say, but never mind.

And yes, I remember the anti war march very well. I was on it. As I was on several of the other peaceful anti war marches. I was on the protest on the 28th of march, again, it was peaceful. The last time I was at a protest which turned ugly, was in the late 90s. I've never thrown a bottle, or given the police any lip. Because i'v never had the need to.

My hate for these nazi pigs, is stemmed from their actions. And if you open your eyes to stories like this. Then maybe you'll stop tarring all protesters with the same brush.
www.ft.com...

There were thousands of people outside the Bank. The mood was emphatically not – repeat not – threatening. I have felt more threatened in a primary school playground.

Public relations man Martin Colman felt the same way, too. Contrary to all the instructions that this was dress-down Wednesday, he was wearing a suit and tie and carrying a banner proclaiming: “The Unfree Market Failed”. He was part of a small rightwing counter-demonstration, organised via Facebook. I asked if anyone had threatened him. “No. We’ve had some very stimulating discussions,” he said.

see, even an opposing demonstration was welcomed and discussed in a mature way.

you'll see that it was a peaceful demo on wednesday. With ONLY A VERY SMALL MINORITY who caused any trouble. Until the police started advancing and trapped everyone like animals. Kicking 16 year old girls in the face while they were sitting down. What lovely people these police men are. That little 16 year old girl must have been a hardened anarchist, eh? That is why i'm so angry at the nazi scum police, because they kicked it off. They have ways of dealing with trouble makers, they're called snatch squads. 1 officer will direct a small group into the crowd and identify the ring leaders. Why didn't they do this? It works very well.

yes, i now have some very strong views on this, and they highlight a pretty ugly side to me. But I am what i am, I'll make no excuses, and I'll make no appollogies.

Originally posted by stumason
You want Anarchy and peace on the streets?

Why do you associate Anarchy with violence and discord?

Are you peaceful while not in the presence of a man with a badge and a gun?

(Perhaps paid protesters and agent provocateurs wearing black masks have influenced your opinion - for some, that would be money well spent...)

*It doesn't help matters when the media persistently and incorrectly refers to and identifies any protester they want as being an 'anarchist'...

For example: When was the last time you heard the media reporting about the pacifists at all these protests?
(many of the active anti-war, pro-peace, pro-Constitution individuals are pacifists - and cannot be sensationalized in the manner that can be done with paid provocateurs)

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

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whilst the majority of the mainstreem media have sided with the police. I've posted several bits from the media which support the protesters and have stated that it was peaceful on the whole, until the plice changed tactics.

This post was added for balance, as not all media outlets have been biased towards toe nazi police.

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If you actually read the rest of my post where you nabbed that soundbite from and you'll see how I qualify my statement.

You moan about the media "spinning" things to make people look bad, yet do the same yourself. Bravo!

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Fine. Let's assume that I accept your premise entirely, and that the protesters were given a raw deal by the police.

Precisely what is it that you were out there campaigning for that day? What cause was it?

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Do you know what the constant theme for people was back then, when anarchic government was abound?

War.

And as you can see, on a global scale, this is STILL the case. What's changed?

Yes, my ideas may well be a little strange, and most of them, I'd never have the balls to put into action myself. (I'm the first to admit this) Anarchy will be followed by peace, in the long run. It's something i believe in, we all need something to believe in. I believe that we need something drastic to happen, in order for any real change. We'll never get anywhere with pacafistic attitudes unfortunatly, as much as i'd love that. As a spiritualist, peace is the only way, which again, contradicts many of the things i've been ranting about. I guess i'm a victim of human emotion, or maybe human emotion os not something to make me a victim out of, maybe it's something to behold, something to encourage, something to promote. The more angry people who direct their emotions at the ones doing the wrong on a global scale, the better IMO.

So, as this post deducts, I'm little more than an angry, confused person. Confused at why I'm angry, or missdirected, possibly. But i'm angry none the less.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
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Fine. Let's assume that I accept your premise entirely, and that the protesters were given a raw deal by the police.

Precisely what is it that you were out there campaigning for that day? What cause was it?

(I wasn't there for the midweek stuff) but on saturday, as I told a camera (possibly for the socialist worker party) when they asked me what am I here for. I replied "everything, the world is in a state, poor countries are being bled dry, and the profits going to the rich. Bankers and goverment are ruining the economy with dodgy ethics and questionable practices. The greed that is shown by the minority, is sickening. We can't go back to how it was, we have to move forward for change on a globla scale."

And as i said in my previous post, I am slightly confused by it all, I don't fully understand all of these "questionable practices" but I just know, instincivly, that there's a much better way for us all to live. It truly doesn't have to be like this.