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Originally posted by skyeagle409
Originally posted by SuicideVirus
The military has been known to make mistakes, and the flying disc press release was a doozy. But in no way does that mistake increase the chance that the "cover-up" involved a flying disc and aliens.
It wasn't a mistake because both Colonel Blanchard and Marcel were later promoted and in the military, you can't expect a promotion over serious errors, especially in those days..
Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Of the hundreds of people who were working at the base at the time, only a few were even aware of the press release event, and the majority either thought or still think the whole alien thing is an embarassment.
Now, what did Stanton Friedman say about what Easley's daughter and what she told him
Originally posted by yeti101
suicide virus is right, 509th bomb group consider it an embarassement which detracts from the real work they were doing there.
Originally posted by yeti101
im sorry i cant find quotes from the 509, i saw some of them interviewed on a bbc documentary- but again they will be accused of a coverup.
Originally posted by yeti101
All of the stuff like MJ12 documents faked.
Originally posted by SuicideVirus
When I suggested it was a "doozy," I guess I meant in retrospect. At the time, nobody seemed to think it amounted to much of anything, good or bad. It actually proved so uneventful that no mention of it was ever made in Marcel's performance evaluation that was done a month later.
On the other hand, he didn't receive any special mention on his evaluation of the good work he did handling a difficult classified situation, either. Actually, Marcel's record is one of a standard kind of plodding officer, doing okay work but not outstanding, crawling slowly up pay grades, grinding out his years until retirement. The Roswell thing didn't seem to affect his career one way or another. So apparently the Army/Air Force never really considered the recovery of an alien space ship to be any big deal.
Of the hundreds of people who were working at the base at the time, only a few were even aware of the press release event, and the majority either thought or still think the whole alien thing is an embarassment.
Originally posted by yeti101
But roswelians will then fall back on their non-falsifiable coverup theory. Sheridan Cavitt who accompanied marcel to retrieve the debris said it was was nothing out of the ordinary " bamboo sticks, burnt rubber, foil" again he is cited as a cover up collaborator.
Originally posted by yeti101
you think its credible people adding testimony after the primary witness has died and cant confirm it? ....give me a frickin break.
suicide virus is right, 509th bomb group consider it an embarassement which detracts from the real work they were doing there.
LIFE Magazine
Scientist Track Flying Saucers Over New Mexico
A group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite -- a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on.
At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 d of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 d. The Object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide.
Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen. The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.
After 60 years not one single shred of evidence has been produced. All of the stuff like MJ12 documents faked. The burden of proof remains on the believers.
Originally posted by yeti101
www.csicop.org...
To sum it up, CSICOP is not a credible source to use when it comes to the Roswell incident and UFOs.
Originally posted by yeti101
[only becuase it deosnt agree with your alien spaceship theory. Whats 86 got to do with roswell? nobody is 100% accurate on evrything just look at all the roswell books that contradict each other.
they sent the mj12 documents to an independant examiner. They did not produce the results themselves. Are you saying the mj12 documents are real? lol.personally i dont agree with every conclusion csicop make, but on mj12 the case is cast iron.
Originally posted by yeti101
i have no doubt it was balloon debris of some kind just look at these other reports of "flying disks" they sound alot like radar reflectors to me. www.project1947.com...
Originally posted by yeti101
when you have some evidence of a crashed spaceship or any alien witnesses let me know.
[edit on 10-6-2007 by yeti101]
*According to Brazel’s neighbor Loretta Proctor, her 7-year old son Timothy or "Dee" was with Brazel when he first discovered the debris field. But he was also with Brazel when he discovered something else at another site 2-1/2 miles to the east that left him deeply traumatized for the rest of his life. He never told her exactly what he saw there but did take her to the location in 1994 saying, "Here is where Mack found something else." Dee Proctor would also duck all attempts at interview and died in 2006. However, other rancher children are believed to have visited the site, including Sydney "Jack" Wright, who said that two sons of rancher Thomas Edington and one of rancher Truman Pierce’s daughters got to "the other location." Wright in 1998 would state, "There were bodies, small bodies with big heads and eyes. And Mack was there too. We couldn’t get away from there fast enough." Carey & Schmitt, 46-47, 53
*Sgt. Frederick Benthal, a photographic specialist, testified that he and Cpl. Al Kirkpatrick were flown in from Washington D.C., to photograph the wreckage and bodies. They were first driven north of town to one site, where Benthal said he witnessed covered trucks carrying wreckage of some sort. Then Kirkpatrick was sent to another site where they were picking up pieces (Brazel debris field), while Benthal was taken to a nearby tent. There he photographed several little bodies lying on a tarp. "They were all just about identical, with dark complexions, thin and with large heads. There was a strange smell inside the tent that smelled something like formaldehyde." Kirkpatrick later returned from the other site in a truck loaded down with wreckage. All their equipment and film was confiscated. They were returned to the base and then flown back to Washington, debriefed and told they hadn't seen anything. From Benthal's 1993 notarized statement, reported by Carey and Schmitt, 130-132; Friedman and Berliner, 103-105; also Benthal's videotaped interview in ''UFO Secret: the Roswell Crash'', 2000, UFO Central Home Video, Inc., Venice, CA: 2001
Originally posted by yeti101
when you have some evidence of a crashed spaceship or any alien witnesses let me know.
*Private First Class Ed Sain was an MP in the 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of July 7, he and Cpl. Raymond Van Why were told to report to the ambulance pool outside the base hospital and boarded a military ambulance. It was driven north of town and then west into the desert. When they got there at night somewhere in the desert, there were a few tents and a number of floodlights. They were told to guard the entrance to the site from a tent set up for that purpose and to “Shoot anyone that tries to get in.” They were returned to the base at daybreak. His son Steven said his father was still reluctant to talk about it, being under a security oath and fearing for his life. According to Steven Sain, his father told both him and his brother that his job was to "guard the bodies at the crash site," which he said "were kept in one of the other tents until being transported to the base." He also thought his father had seen the craft, because he said "it was the strangest thing he had ever seen in his life." Raymond Van Why’s wife, Leola, said her husband first talked about it in 1954 when he got out of the service. He told her that he had been a guard at a crash site "out in the desert" where a spaceship had crashed. "My husband told me that it was a UFO that had crashed, that it was a round disc. ..he was out there and saw it!" Carey & Schmitt, 129
*Sgt. Thomas Gonzales, in an interview with Don Ecker, editor of UFO magazine, said he helped guard a crash site and saw bodies and the craft. Ecker wrote that Gonzales said he saw "little men." They were human-looking but had eyes and heads slightly larger than human. The craft was more of an "airfoil" rather than disc shape. Family members confirmed having known about the story for years. Randle & Schmitt (1994) p. 13; Randle (1995), pp. 38-39.
*PFC Elias Benjamin was an MP with 390th Air Service Squadron. On the morning of Monday, July 7, he first noticed highly unusual activity outside of the base headquarters. Soon he was ordered to get his gun and report to Hangar P-3 for guard duty. When he got to the hangar, the officer to whom he was supposed to report was being subdued by other MPs. He later found out he had been to the crash site and seen the ship, but when he had seen the bodies at the hangar, he had gone crazy. Instead Benjamin was placed in charge of escorting three or four bodies covered with sheets on gurneys to the base hospital. One appeared to be moving. During transfer, the sheet slipped off of one “revealing the grayish face and swollen, hairless head of a species that I realized was not human.” Later at the base hospital, with the sheet removed, he could make out “a very small person with an egg-shaped head that was oversized for its body. …The only facial features that stick out in my mind now are that it had slanted eyes, two holes where its nose should have been, and a small slit where its mouth should have been. I think it was alive.” Later, “I was debriefed and made to sign a nondisclosure statement. …I was told that if I ever spoke about it, something bad would happen, not only to me, but also to my family.” His wife confirmed that he first told her the story in 1949 when they married and that the memory continues to haunt her husband. Carey & Schmitt, 136-139; also video interview, ''Sci Fi Investigates—Roswell'', first aired November 8, 2006.