Pics of Dulce Base!

Originally posted by PaulWillocks
NEW DULCE PHOTOS

I just found these, thought you guys may be interested

Ok, I am starting to get VERY worried.
I notice this ore and more:

Links supplied in RECENT comments are now DEAD.
More than half the links follow from ATS threads lead to removed blogs, 404s or other denials. Something is being covered up, or someone doen´t want us to know something (and it covers dozens of subjects on ATS)...

Anyone else notice this?

Originally posted by punkmonkey14
Well I found this, Im not saying its anything special it just looks odd. No, its not the town.

Link

Ya know, I was poking around google maps looking at this, and noticed that the terrain map seems to differ from the sat image. If you look at the terrain map, there is a mesa NW of the town, but if you look on the sat image, I don't see any mesa......

Check out this odd dirt mound, seems to be a hole at the top and light rays emanating from it. Coordinates on google earth are 35°59'11.69"N 104° 3'8.87"W. Could just be a hiker holding a mirror into the air? Granted not really near dulce NM but I found it interesting. Can someone post a pic of this? Thanks

Originally posted by Psychopump

Originally posted by PaulWillocks
NEW DULCE PHOTOS

I just found these, thought you guys may be interested

Ok, I am starting to get VERY worried.
I notice this ore and more:

Links supplied in RECENT comments are now DEAD.
More than half the links follow from ATS threads lead to removed blogs, 404s or other denials. Something is being covered up, or someone doen´t want us to know something (and it covers dozens of subjects on ATS)...

Anyone else notice this?

I find this very strange my self. I must say that I get a bit worried about it, and it just doesn't feel like an coincidence.

Perhaps from now on or so, if someone finds any info about Dulce they want to post her.. take a screen shot or copy the content of the page into a document or whatever and store it on your computer just in case the webpage are put down or content removed, like on the WordPress blog.

Originally posted by Psychopump
Ok, I am starting to get VERY worried.
I notice this ore and more:

Links supplied in RECENT comments are now DEAD.
More than half the links follow from ATS threads lead to removed blogs, 404s or other denials. Something is being covered up, or someone doen´t want us to know something (and it covers dozens of subjects on ATS)...

Anyone else notice this?

Yeah, to the point I expect a big nothing every single time i click a link. Its pretty off topic, but Im surprised I have'nt come across any threads about dead links.

Originally posted by Believe195

Originally posted by Psychopump
Ok, I am starting to get VERY worried.
I notice this ore and more:

Links supplied in RECENT comments are now DEAD.
More than half the links follow from ATS threads lead to removed blogs, 404s or other denials. Something is being covered up, or someone doen´t want us to know something (and it covers dozens of subjects on ATS)...

Anyone else notice this?

Yeah, to the point I expect a big nothing every single time i click a link. Its pretty off topic, but Im surprised I have'nt come across any threads about dead links.

Perhaps we should have as a thumb rule that whenever we stumble upon some interesting pics on a website, as well as posting the link we should save the pictures localy on our conputer as well? At least for a short while, just in case the link end up at the graveyard among all the other dead links. At least then we have the chance to keep ahead of whatever is causing so many links to fail, and if we then post the images again somewhere else on the internet at that link dies as well, then we know for shure that there is something strange going on.

Hi everyone, as some have already mentioned quite a lot of the links aren't working. From the very first link from the original poster I was automatically zoomed out quite a bit on central America so didn't know where the OP was referring to but zooming in I found this area with lots of weird circles. Does anyone know what these are:

Google Maps Link

They could be just normal pieces of land that people work on. They have various roads going past them but maybe someone in the US can let me know what they are.

reply to post by liamsquire


You can see the same circles in the northern part of area 51 with google earth too. I remember reading a thread on another board where people were convinced they were agricultural.

The circles (according to them) are made by rotating irrigation machines.
I am inclined to believe that they ARE agricultural, but am equally sure that they are not cultivating anything so normal as corn.

reply to post by Psychopump


yes they are used in agriculture, it is a rotation pump system. they have them in spain,portugal and italy as well.

snoopyuk

It zoomed me into what looked like a temple or large church...???

Originally posted by Psychopump
reply to post by liamsquire

 

You can see the same circles in the northern part of area 51 with google earth too. I remember reading a thread on another board where people were convinced they were agricultural.

The circles (according to them) are made by rotating irrigation machines.
I am inclined to believe that they ARE agricultural, but am equally sure that they are not cultivating anything so normal as corn.

Cheers Psychopump and snoopyuk. I've never saw anything like that before and with the roads close by I thought they may be something agricultural. Looks eerie from the sky though!

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


That is strange but whats stranger is that there are even more smaller mounds around that area with the same kind of hole on top?

Originally posted by punkmonkey14
This pic caught my eye because if you zoom in close they only let you see half of the facility

This is simply a satellite photo of the town of Dulce, next to the Archuleta Mesa. You can even see the community health clinic center on the west side.

Norio Hayakawa
www.hometown.aol.com...

Okay in one of those quotes they say they interviewed a man who was sure the base was located under the "Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation".

My understanding is this is the area it's under:
Link1

The giant cuts in the earth probably have some other explanation, but to me I think this is the reason.

So I was searching around for any clues.. the one that stood out the most was this one:
link2

It's completely blurred out.. or a giant paved part by the side of the road. I dont know.. it really looks airbrushed to me.

[edit on 17-8-2008 by MurrayTORONTO]

could be anything, i'm leaning to an issue when the image was captured by the satallite

You have to laugh really..with the advent of Google Earth now everyone is an image interpreter.Not seen anything to prove that there is anything in the area of Dulce that alludes to an Alien base or US collusion in its activities...

Originally posted by MurrayTORONTO
Okay in one of those quotes they say they interviewed a man who was sure the base was located under the "Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation".

My understanding is this is the area it's under:
Link1

The giant cuts in the earth probably have some other explanation, but to me I think this is the reason.

So I was searching around for any clues.. the one that stood out the most was this one:
link2

It's completely blurred out.. or a giant paved part by the side of the road. I dont know.. it really looks airbrushed to me.

[edit on 17-8-2008 by MurrayTORONTO]

These are nothing more than a dirt mound area, not too far from the river........an area popular with some 4-wheelers.
On some weekends, you usually find some 4-wheel drives and, occasionally, some motorcycles doing their 4-wheeling thing.
This has nothing to do with the alleged Dulce base.

Norio Hayakawa
www.hometown.aol.com...

Hi,

Long time lurker, first time poster. This past weekend a friend of mine and I took a trip down from Denver to Dulce just to check things out. We had no great expectations of actually finding a base, and we didn't, but it was an interesting trip. If nothing else, it helps point out the difference between checking out Google Earth and actually putting tires and feet on the ground and looking for things.

On Saturday we stopped at the casino/hotel/restaurant/tourist center. We asked the woman at the counter what permission we'd need to go explore the roads up on Archuleta Mesa - she said none. We were a little puzzled, as we had heard of all kinds of no trespassing issues, so we pointed out the J- and BIA- roads on the Jicarilla and Southern Ute land where we'd like to go. She said our only problem would be the roads themselves - many are in poor shape, and recent rains had rutted/gullied many roads. She said stay on the road, don't hike, and we'd be fine. She really seemed puzzled by our interest in just exploring - she really seemed to think we'd be better off just taking 84 up to Pagosa Springs.

So off we set - I'll use the labels from Delorme Topo USA, since GE doesn't seem to reliably label these roads for me.

(continued)

So we headed west out of Dulce on Narrow Gauge St. after a short way it seems to intersect/turn into J-9, with J-2 heading off to the right, northeast along the Navajo River. We took J-2 northeast for a short ways, then taking the second left by what's labeled Seguro Canyon in both Delorme and GE. The road itself is not labeled on either, and it quickly turned rough.

For reference, I was in a LR3 with rear locker and 31" tires, my friend in a stock TJ Rubi, and we have lots of offroad/rock crawling experience. This road was heavily rutted and gullied from rain. Usually there was a pair of ridges we could run up carefully, but the gully was sometimes 2-3 feet deep. Occasionally we'd have to cross the gully and even in offroad height I'd scrape the hell out of the skidded undercarriage. If you're going to explore little-traveled areas like this, be prepared.

Anyway, this road headed straight north out of Jicarilla and into CO and the Southern Ute reservation. Oddly, we saw no signs about no trespassing on the Southern Ute at that point. The road T's into BIA-154, which heads east up the mesa. This road appeared more heavily traveled and was in decent shape.

Up on the mesa, you realize the difficulty of just wandering around and finding anything. This is not open desert land, with a flat-top mesa. This is a rugged, wooded, high-mountain pine forest. There were many burn areas that were overgrown scrub, with recent seedlings. There were also some open pastures with grazing cattle. But overall, if you think you can just drive up this mesa and find anything, you are sorely mistaken. An open-pit space launch facility could be located 50 feet off the road or over a small hill and you'd simply never know.

(continued)

Up on the mesa, the roads quickly became less-used and confusing. We figured we'd circle the mesa top on BIA 139 and BIA 140, but got stymied on the south part of 139 where it crosses back into the Jicarilla land. We got turned around a bit, and the road kind of petered out at one point where we thought 140 should head north back into the Southern Ute. Frankly, at this point we were getting kind of spooked, and every border crossing had many no trespassing signs.

So, we decided to get out the there, and a road on our Garmin GPS appeared to go straight south back to Dulce. We tried following it a bit, but came to a stout but unlocked gate with a very clear "KEEP OUT" sign on it. Not simply stay on the road, etc, so we said screw it and decided to backtrack out.

We headed back off the mesa to the west, on 139 to 154. Shortly after passing the road we had taken up from the south, 154 cuts north and hits CR542. We actually exited out of some ranch onto 542.

I'll post some pics in a minute, but some conclusions first. One, get better permission than "you should be fine" from the tourist center. I doubt that would hold water if we ran into anyone. Two, don't get your hopes up - this is rugged land, and it would be very, very easy to hide just about anything there.

Ok, pics, just to show you what you're dealing with:

pasture on top of mesa:


more pasture:


looking east to the mesa. If you look really close on the higher-res versions (see my gallery at grendel.smugmug.com), you can see an old fire watchtower.


looking south, from just west of the mesa. Rugged, rugged country - can you spot the secret base here? Me neither.