Americans most forgotten minority, Native Americans left for last...

a reply to: RAY1990

Probably not a common or popular opinion but I say make drugs cheaper and more accessible. At the end of the day they're practically giving billions to organised criminals whilst they deny their citizens what they want or need. Seems a bit #ty to treat people like that tbh.

You might want to rethink that stance after researching what happened in Oregon after they legalized hard drugs.

Oregon voters in 2020 passed Measure 110, a first-in-the-nation law decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of controlled substances such as heroin, methamphetamines, coc aine and fentanyl.

Three years later, public drug use has wearied even the most tolerant of Oregonians. In recent months, Portland has reeled from a record number of opioid overdoses, bad press and a drop in convention and hotel bookings linked to the perception that the city is disorderly and unsafe.
The measure also took effect during a long-standing homelessness crisis in Oregon and other West Coast states that made public drug use more visible — and discomfiting — in neighborhoods where people live on the streets. It’s particularly problematic in Portland, Oregon’s biggest city, where high rates of commercial property vacancies have hollowed out some downtown sectors.

Perhaps addressing the homeless CRISIS might help reduce the need to use drugs to escape the hard, cold reality of living in a world/country with little help or options?

An even more recent poll in Oregon found that 64% of voters want to repeal portions of the measure, including possibly bringing back criminal penalties for possession, and 56% support repealing it entirely. The poll, conducted by Emerson College Polling, was commissioned by the Foundation for Drug Policy Solutions, an Alexandria, Virginia-based organization that opposes decriminalization nationally.

Several rural Oregon counties, but also suburban Clackamas County adjacent to Portland, are considering non-binding advisory ballot measures during the May 2024 election to ask voters whether they think Measure 110 should be repealed.

A group of prominent civic leaders, led by the state’s former head of the Department of Corrections, Max Williams, is pressuring state lawmakers to re-criminalize possession of small amounts of controlled substances, even as they maintain funding for detox and recovery services. It’s an approach Williams and others have dubbed “amend, not end,” but it comes with an implicit threat: If the legislature fails to make timely changes to Measure 110, they’ll ask voters to repeal it in 2024.

Perhaps the millions spent on detox funding would be better used for addressing the cause of drug use.
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AllisVibration
a reply to: andy06shake

What legal ramifications? As long as nobody is buying or selling through this site, we should be free to discuss them, just like other websites. But time and again the topic gets shutdown with no explanation whatsoever.

Its not the legality so much as the owners wanting to avoid bad publicity or hassle for seemingly promoting the use.

That might be true of the old owners, but the new owners aren’t even around anymore apparently.

a reply to: AllisVibration

I've even heard it speculated they got the tin pale hence their deafening silence.

Nobody really knows where they went or what happened.

Which doesn't bode well when the server bills come due i suppose.

There is one example in history how much harm drug can cause. 1800s China , there was like 15 million users and wars even got started . It was opium ...but fentalnyl is much more dangerous than opium . Chinese emperor ordered all opium, destroyed ...

The narco cartels are more like ISIS terrorist if compare the damage/violence .

Was it 100000 OD deaths per year in USA ?

a reply to: Kenzo

Was it 100000 OD deaths per year in USA ?

In the last month or two, I have been listening to calls for fentanyl overdoses on the scanners. These calls have all ended in the death of the victim even after NarCan(R) was administered at least twice and in one instance was administered 3 times (which I don't believe is SOP). I'm wondering if the fentanyl formulation has changed? Lately, NarCan(R) hasn't been working in this area...

a reply to: NightFlight

By the looks of it Naloxone's effectiveness can be influenced by various factors including the potency of the fentanyl, timing and route of administration, the presence of other substances, individual tolerance, and the quality of the naloxone formulation.

a reply to: nugget1

Decriminalisation alone wouldn't do much, hell getting locked up would be the best opportunity to get clean for a lot of people...

There's a quality issue, I'm sure medical grade fentanyl is relatively safe if properly dosed and administered professionally but I'm saying most hardcore users would probably shy away from the stuff if ultimately given the choice. Again it's not just the homeless and junkies who inadvertently take this stuff and other nasty synthetics. They're showing up in other drugs which are used recreationally and medically, kids popping the wrong pill at a party or some poor sod with a bad back and a packet of dodgy painkillers... It's happening.

It'll get worse.

Perhaps the millions spent on detox funding would be better used for addressing the cause of drug use.

Prevention would be ideal. We live in violent world where drugs are worth billions, it's all capitalising on others misery. Drug users are atypically in pain and most people get all weird if you talk about anything but physical pain. The realistic side of me says everything will improve if we stop inundating the worst of us with masses of wealth.

a reply to: RAY1990

Decriminalisation alone wouldn't do much, hell getting locked up would be the best opportunity to get clean for a lot of people

It is, and a lot of them cannot wait to get remanded and sent to the big house if they are not getting bail.

Because they know they will at least get a detox with the likes of diazepam, subutex, and methadone to help soothe the pain.

That's our side of the pond all the same but i don't imagine junkies are much different over there.

A lot of them really don't want to be that way, they just are because............well pick a reason there are many.

a reply to: NightFlight

That`s horrible ...

Yes might have changed formulations, or added extra chemicals ...

a reply to: Kenzo

When you watch documentaries on the subject the poor sods claim to have been dead and revived the likes of 4 and 5 times.

Chances are their bodies are building up a tolerance to the Naloxone.

Same way they do to fentanyl and the mixture of other substances used to make it into pills.

Or their body is simply unable to go through the stress of being revived once more.

Which can be rather extensive, especially so if there is also the likes of defibrillation involved.

Most of them are walking skin and bone by that point as well which can make resuscitation problematic at best.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yikes must be bad ride ...yeeh maybe building up a tolerance to the Naloxone .


Btw i dont voluntarily eat/take much anything that comes from China , because can contains toxic chemicals, heavy metals etc...So if the fentanyl precursors are made in China, lord knows what all chemicals they might have ? There was that Chinese milk scandal years ago , and other too .

In my city Americans have completely forgotten each other!

Homelessness is everywhere because the prices oof rent and food sky rocketed all at the same time because of greedy idiots who don't care about anyone - they have surely forgotten about people. Then the homeless gets everything stolen from them each night from teenagers who have forgotten what being an American is. Everybody in masses have become demoralized zombie cellphone walkers who ignore every person because they hate being social to Anyone - that is forgetting about America. The politics and news media lie to us, they have forgotten. That is why we have the demoralized society - because they watched the media and became insensitive. They read the books these days filled with lies and became stupid. They don't even believe the content of books written in the 1970s because it is all different and contradicting what "the scientists" and the "experts" say over the "conspiracy theorists".

Society in America has become the biggest joke - a complete lie. America does not have more than 100 years left. It is being ran to the ground and it's people have been subjected to a sophisticated plan of demoralization - which worked way more than what I thought it would because people literally just look at whatever the person they like is doing, and copy them. They have no mind at all, and therefore do not believe in a good or bad, like a zombie no nothing lunatic who is antisocial.

Education is only part of the ticket, hope is the other. Western societies have lost nearly all hope and so drugs and oblivion are welcomed by many. We see the gilded few gathering ever more wealth to themselves and the majority drifting just about above water. Many are sinking with no realistic hope left in their lives but to work, sleep and work again to reach for things they cannot afford. Education is certainly important, but establishing a playing field where aspiration is a reality is also key. I’m not sure that will happen. The collapse is becoming inevitable.

a reply to: ADVISOR

When everything fails, the land will be returned to our peoples...who never shoulda lost land that no one man owns.

Cherokee and Chickasaw Heritage

originally posted by: Kenzo

It`s a destruction what comes with those drugs , specially fentanyl .

IMO it would time to take this battle directly to Mexico, destroy, burn, kill cartell by any means necessary.

Kinda like we did in Afghanistan?

Do you ever see a problem that doesn't need to be fixed with a hammer?

In case you haven't noticed drugs are winning the drug war and no amount of militarization will stop it.

Let's do a thought experiment:
If it's just as easy to get drugs inside an American prison as it is on the street. Then how would your solution do anything? Other than get a bunch of innocent people killed in the process.

The fact remains that America remains the largest consumers of illicit drugs. People are going to get and do drugs regardless of how much you try and prevent it. What people like you fail to realize this isn't as much as a drug problem as it is a societal problem. Simply stopping the flow of drugs won't fix it. We need to work on the things that drive people to such nihilistic practices to begin with.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: ADVISOR

When everything fails, the land will be returned to our peoples...who never shoulda lost land that no one man owns.

Cherokee and Chickasaw Heritage

So who gets the land?

The Cherokee who conquered it from the Iroquois, or the Iroquois who conquered it from the Ute?

The colonizers conquered our ancestors for no more of a noble cause than our ancestors conquered it from one another.

originally posted by: Kenzo

It`s a destruction what comes with those drugs , specially fentanyl .

IMO it would time to take this battle directly to Mexico, destroy, burn, kill cartell by any means necessary.

That's exactly what Donald Trump proposed, and the media attacked him for it, defending the Cartels, and Mexico's president even defended the Cartels.

a reply to: JAY1980

Do your homework. Cherokee...started as Iroquios, Great Lakes, as did the Chickasaw.

Your use of "conquered" is disturbing.

That you believe man can "conquer" and take, beat, move out of it..land that can't be owned, or sold, bought, transferred...because NO ONE OWNS IT. It belongs to the Great Spirit...for everyone to "use"...is sad.

Respectfully, God Bless (with some slight hesitation...)

The US government gives billions and billions to the tribes, as well as land, free healthcare, education, monthly income, and pretty much anything else they want. They are sovereign for the most part.
40% of those tribes make billions themselves operating casinos.
Only 1% of those casino tribes support natives with any of that money.
Instead of asking what else the feds can do for the tribes, let’s talk about that elephant in the room.