It's 15 years since Hidden Hand's dialogue with ATS members.

a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

He stopped replying to the thread in November, I think. A friend told me about it and I came to see... in December. Just missed it.

However, I read every page and was really impressed with the consistency of character. He didn't seem to be lying, and he wasn't boastful. He was very even-handed; pun intended.

The Illuminati myth and championed Bavarian term, is based on the ancient historical process of Illumination. Which refers to those who had successfully traversed the underworld as an initiate of the mystery schools

It is another form of the term Enlightened. Except enlightened is a technically incorrect term, as it implies light being given from/by another, when the correct understanding is of such light being yours inherent from birth. Not something which can, or need, ever be given

The term "Illuminati" is used because it aligns with the processes described in the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, which was later adapted by those such as the Freemasons. Detailed in works like the Crata Repoa

The title Book Of The Dead is actually horribly incorrect, in the fact that the Ancient Egyptians did not even have a word for dead or death

The word they used for such things is Westing. As their understanding of the passing of a persons life, was considered no different to the passing of the days sun into the west

In the same way, as they viewed the sun in the sky, as being no different to their mind (as with ⊙, meaning both "mind (Ra)" and "sun")

The original Egyptian name for the text, transliterated r(ꜣ)w n(y)w prt m hrw(w), is said to be translated as Book of Coming Forth by Day or Book of Emerging Forth into the Light

It is:
THE BOOK OF ILLUMINATION

Western scholars, gave it the name "death", completely opposite in nature to its true meaning, and contrary to the understanding of the Egyptians (a word which did not even exist), seemingly intentionally, to give the perception of the book detailing funerary rites. When the underworld journey described within the book, is actually initiation rites, which are undertaken whilst you are alive

The term itself, is used to try align a collective "common" perception of certain groups and people, having been through Illuminated initiation, when they have not

There are "gatekeepers" and very specific processes in place, which guard access to the underworld. So that only certain people can ever become "Illuminated". The very same as the Egyptian crocodile-headed "Ammit", and the "Demons" that Christians run scared from

In the Egyptian tradition, traversing the underworld involves having your heart measured, against your own darkness

In Christianity, the arc of the covenant is protected by the Seraph, shouting "Holy, Holy, Holy"

The process has remained much the same throughout all the belief systems and cultures throughout history

It is impossible for anyone who is unworthy, to pass through this process. Without coming out light and completely purged of the darkness within them

You can tell who the real "Illuminated" are, because they have traversed the underworld, and understand through such experiences, the alignment and wisdom of the ancient texts

They do no speak in terms of absolutes, and they are always willing to "plant the seed", in any others who are willing to seek such things

Anyone who says they "cannot speak" on certain things, is not Illuminated. They are the opposite of Illuminated

I'll give you an analogy of how it works, with the groups and individual claiming to be "Illuminati":

A woman receives a bunch of flowers anonymously. She asks a man who did not send the flowers, if it was him who sent them. Seeing an opportunity to gain perceptive favour within her not knowing, he tells her no, but does so with a playful smile on his face, as to deceive her into believing he is being coy and he actually did send them. Even though he said he did not

This way, he can convince himself he has been truthful. But, he has still lead her to believe he offered light, which did not come from him

This is how the Illuminati myth works

This is also how all "collective perception", such as religion, works

They like to be perceived as those who promoted love and light, even if they are not the ones who offered such things, and have no real idea where it came from

My point is ...

"Hidden hand" is not Illuminated by any metric or understanding of the word

They may, or may not, be associated with groups, societies or bloodlines professing to be. But such is false light

They pretend to be those that light the world, whilst offering nothing

"Hidden hand" also has no understanding of how the sovereign bloodlines work

Any who belong to "Houses" are Illegitimate, by the very fact they need exist within the modern corrupted version of "Houses"

The title of "House" has been corrupted from what it originally was, as a way of getting around the legitimacy of named bloodlines. For those wanting to be named "King" who were not born of the necessary bloodline name to take the throne

It was much easier, to simply adopt the feminine aspect "House" line, as if it were something you could simply award to anyone you wanted to try legitimise



The oldest, legitimate "royal" bloodline, is carried either from 1st born male, to 1st born male. Or 1st born female, to 1st born female

I could not be carried from male to female, or female to male, lest it become a "broken chain" lineage. Different from the intended royal ascent

This is what is referred to as "7th Son Of The 7th Son". The eldest surviving unbroken direct lineage of either males or females, to the "source" alignment of our collective creation

For a royal bloodline to remain legitimate to the oldest legitimate lineage in succession, it must be passed down one of these two direct lines. Male to male, unbroken chain. Or female to female, unbroken chain

You cannot pass from one to the other

A line of male succession, cannot be handed to a daughter, as with Elizabeth II. Or it becomes a completely different bloodline

It is no longer the throne of her fathers bloodline. It belongs to the bloodline of her husband instead

Male lines, were (and still are) irrefutable by name

If you did not carry the very particular bloodline name from birth, you were not legitimate "royalty", and not an heir in any sense of the word

Even if you did, you were only considered legitimate by oldest unbroken succession

So a younger uncle had less claim to the throne, than his older brothers 1st born son

It was only when the 1st born son died, and had no male heirs, that the 2nd born son became the prime "unbroken chain" lineage

If all the sons died, or the sovereign had no heirs? Then the bloodline would be traced back, to the next unbroken direct lineage

If for example the father of the sovereign with no heir, had no brothers. Then the bloodline would trace back another step, to the grandfathers next oldest male child

It works exactly the same with a female sovereign

Lineage and legitimacy was carried through the last name of the males. With the 1st born oldest son, also carrying their Fathers name, as their middle name

With females, the "bloodline" name, was carried along the middle name

The oldest daughter, of the oldest daughter, of the oldest daughter, would all carry the exact same middle name. The "House" name, which did not change, regardless of what bloodline and name they marry into

In the circumstances where the named female lineage was broken by death with no heir to the name, the lineage of the female middle name, would be resumed by the naming of the next 1st born daughter, of the next most legitimate direct line. So the named identifying the line, was not severed

"Bloodline" was originally the name of the unbroken male lineage
"House" was originally the name of the unbroken female lineage

Before this ...

"Seed" was used to name the unbroken male lineage
"Field" was used to name the unbroken female lineage

Ideally, a sovereign of an unbroken named male bloodline, would meet a woman of an equally perfect unbroken house line

In such a case, it would be said that they were THE "MALE NAME" FAMILY BLOODLINE, OF HOUSE "FEMALE NAME"

Likewise, it was originally, that the only way you could possibly have the nobility of a house name attached to your family, was through marriage of a daughter of direct lineage, to a named male bloodline

Or vice-versa in the case of a ruling female sovereign lineage

TODAY, "HOUSE" HAS BEEN CORRUPTED, TO BE SOMETHING THAT ANYONE CAN BE NAMED INTO, FOR FALSE LEGITIMACY

SO THAT ANYONE CARRYING A "HOUSE" NAME, SHOULD BE VIEWED AS ILLEGITIMATE

a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

Thanks for making this thread fellow dreamer.

My memory ain't so hot, so I remember reading a lot of the thread, but only general feelings remain, and not details.
I read through this thread, and I'm now interested in revisiting that old thread.

Plenty of what you wrote in the OP, and has been contributed to this thread, vibes and resonates with a thread I made last week :
A different look at freewill

I was inquiring the good members to see if they have experiences of feeling a deep inner Love, that could guide us in our actions in the outside world, and whether that is the positive side, in the eternal battle between good and evil, Love and not-Love, God and the devil, the metaphor of the two wolves, etc...

originally posted by: AcrobaticDreams1
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However, again, was it purposeful or were they being nice? The 2003 poster said, and this I believe 100%, never accept human intervention (let’s put social memory complex here too). It is between you and the Divine.

That seems to be what a few of us are thinking about these days.
Glad to hear that from you. Thanks.

But mostly thanks for your comment on the two " veil-liftings ", as I will keep them in mind, while returning to read the HH thread.
Might be a few days tho...

a reply to: Compendium

Thanks. A lot to digest but useful & potentially illuminating information.


" "Hidden hand" is not Illuminated by any metric or understanding of the word"

Did he describe himself as 'illuminated'? Certainly, 'family, house & bloodlines all mentioned' so maybe it was implied.

"They pretend to be those that light the world, whilst offering nothing"

It seemed to me he was just offering an explanation, as apparently required, of the way things really work and as such, is valuable information at the very least. And it's been pointed out by many others that TPTB do appear to have an obligation to inform we squirrels, even if obliquely, of what they are about to do, before they kick us in the nuts.

As pointed out by a poster above, HH was consistent and not boastful or gloating. He didn't appear to have an agenda and basically said what he needed to say, gave notice that his time on the forum was drawing to a close, then withdrew.

So whilst your interesting & detailed comment/explanation & concluded inference that HH was 'illegitimate' may very well be valid, it doesn't necessarily detract from the content of what he had to say. In my mind, at least.

BTW the one thing that stood out for me as questionable & suspect in the entire dialogue, was when he concluded one session by saying, words to the effect, ' I have to go now as I have a sacrifice to attend'..

I mean, if this was said tongue in cheek, for me it blew up the whole thing. Or....?

I'm sure this has been 'de-bunked' elsewhere, but HH's account reminds me of another 'Group' that had some interesting web activity years ago that correlates with much of HH's material - Somerset Belenoff/Wettin Council/Glamis Calling.

I know the whole Belenoff/Wettin/Glamis thing is easy to poke holes into, but it still seems to retain some common themes with HH's material & the RA material.

Has anyone found any further connection/correlation with HH/S.V.V./Belenoff/Ra Material???

a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

BTW the one thing that stood out for me as questionable & suspect in the entire dialogue, was when he concluded one session by saying, words to the effect, ' I have to go now as I have a sacrifice to attend'..

I mean, if this was said tongue in cheek, for me it blew up the whole thing. Or....?

It was tongue in cheek, he said he was joking or implied as much, I read that the other day when re-visiting it.

He also said he specialized in the subject of spirituality, which might be why Compendium begged to differ.

Manly P Hall has much to say about the Secret Doctrine, as well as a plethora of other material on the esoteric and occult.
No doubt you re familiar with him, but there are a bunch of his lectures I highly recommend available on youtube.

a reply to: AllisVibration

"It was tongue in cheek, he said he was joking or implied as much, I read that the other day when re-visiting it."

OK thanks - I obviously missed that & will re-check when time.

Also need to re-visit Manly P Hall to see what he has to say about TSD ... quite a lot of interesting references to follow-up.. and I was trying to limit on-line time to an hour a day!

originally posted by: AllisVibration
a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

He also said he specialized in the subject of spirituality, which might be why Compendium begged to differ.

Exactly right

The "esoteric" information they are giving, is not what is taught to initiates of the mysteries. So I have no idea where they are getting their "spiritual" teachings from

There is a common understanding taught within initiation, that is the same across all cultures and versions of the mystery schools

And what HH is offering, is not it

I have been through Illuminated initiation, within the Sumerian, Norse, Egyptian and Eleusinian traditions

All of which align, with not only each other, but the Roman and Judeo-Christian traditions

I am currently going through a process called "affliction" (unknown debilitating sickness) which is part of the "ascension" process you go through after initiation, to "resurrect" and return from traversing the underworld (after experiencing physical death)

What HH is offering, does not align within any of the traditions. Traditions which can be linked precisely to modern understanding of biology, geometry, physics, symbology

What they offer is just vague pseudo-religious veil concepts

The initiated do not speak in terms of absolutes, or ordered forms of hierarchy or divinity

Such, is self-subjugation within perception. Contrary to the alignment of the individual soul potential, to the source of our collective creation

They are promoting concepts which "disconnect" people from esoteric truths, which are theirs inherent from birth

This is the opposite of Illumination, or anyone who could claim to have specialist "spiritual" understanding

originally posted by: Compendium
I have been through Illuminated initiation, within the Sumerian, Norse, Egyptian and Eleusinian traditions

All of which align, with not only each other, but the Roman and Judeo-Christian traditions

Well they would, wouldn't they? Or are you claiming an unbroken line from Sumeria? Because I know you can't be claiming one from Eleusia.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

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I do not understand what you are asking

I have been through the same ancient mystery school process taught within all those cultures

The gatekeepers of the underworld are no different today, than they were in antiquity. And the understanding they offer is exactly the same

What exactly do you mean by "claiming a line"?

Also, "Eleusinian", cognates with "Eleusis", not "Eleusia"

originally posted by: Compendium
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I do not understand what you are asking

Really? Well, it should hardly be surprising that the "mysteries" that you practice align with Roman and Judeo-Christian traditions as we only know of those practices, largely, from sources who were Roman and Judeo-Christian, and which were further translated, transliterated and interpreted by Western Christians.

originally posted by: Compendium
I have been through the same ancient mystery school process taught within all those cultures

And you know this how? (please see above)

originally posted by: Compendium
The gatekeepers of the underworld are no different today, than they were in antiquity. And the understanding they offer is exactly the same

Are they though? Who do you believe to be the gatekeepers in the Eleusian to be? What understanding is that?

originally posted by: Compendium
What exactly do you mean by "claiming a line"?

A continuity of practice and preservation, such as with say the Christian church who claim Apostolic succession takes them all the way back to Christ but can at least lay claim to a continuity of teaching from say the 4th century (for sake of argument) AD. So, for example, how do you know that what you practice is the Eleusian and not something reinterpreted by some 18th century dilettante? How do you know that you are right and Hidden Hand is wrong? Perhaps Hidden Hand can evidence a continuity, can you?

originally posted by: Compendium
Also, "Eleusinian", cognates with "Eleusis", not "Eleusia"

Fair. I stand happily corrected.

a reply to: Compendium

Wow! This has gone way above my level of knowledge and comprehension and I'm hesitant now to even offer a comment , on the comments on my own thread..

(but of course, I will)

So, Compendium it seems you are already an Initiate, presumably (as Initiates are) at a high level and have been through not only several initiations but you're currently experiencing a further, even higher(?) initiation. I accept & respect that information at face value. You do seem to be the real deal. I have no reason to believe it not to be so

Would it be to much to ask, then, as you've already given us the benefit of at least some of your knowledge, to expand on this?

You've stated/inferred that Hidden Hand was not legitimate, therefore his message was not valid.

Would you then be kind enough to tell me (others may be interested too):

1. Who are we? What is Man? Why are we here, what is our purpose? Is free will valid ?
2. I think the above covers it as the answer to many subsidiary q's would fall into place i.e. the "God' question.

Thanks for your attention & I look forward to your response (I'm off the grid for a few days which will account for any delay in my reply, should you reply and should I have one in return)

a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

I realise you didn’t ask me these questions, and I can’t provide the answers. What I would suggest though is you won’t and can’t find such answers outside of yourself. (plenty of opinions maybe to chew over, but nobody can impart understanding) Even if the answers are available, our minds as they are, aren’t capable of comprehending them anyway. Even if we do have some great epiphany, it tends to be fleeting and intangible. Still such a thing might profoundly affect how we then lead our lives.

Far better to work on self understanding and mastery, a difficult enough goal as it is.

a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

Don't be hesitant. Contrary to popular belief, Illuminated initiates are not sworn to secrecy. We will give whatever we can offer, to those who are honestly open to seeking it

We are simply taught it is only worth the time and effort of sharing knowledge or explaining, with those who are genuinely interested in seeking it to consider

To any others with no real basis, or real want, to try understand, we simple say "I will not speak on such things", or "I have nothing to offer you". Or, we do not say anything to them at all

"They who hath ears, let them hear

This seems to me, over time, to have become a misunderstanding and myth of being sworn to secrecy

There are orders who swear to secrecy, but this is not Illumination. Secrecy and the withholding of knowledge, is based in darkness. Not light

"They who hath eyes, let them see

There is no point talking with those who won't hear you anyway, or don't want to hear you. It is a waste of time, effort and energies

There is little point serving steak to those without teeth, or those who seek only to spit it out

I did not mean to appear as if I was saying that all of what HH offered is completely invalid, or even imply that they are being intentionally deceitful

They may very well be aligned with the bloodlines and groups they are claiming to be, and be offering things forward, exactly as it has been offered to them

What I am saying, is that the "esoteric" concepts they detailed, do not align in any way with the what is taught within the mystery school traditions (Illumination)

To the point that some of the understanding, even seems intentionally opposite of what is experienced by initiates

I am writing up some posts, going into detail on some of these things, that I will post for you here

It may take me some time though, as I am battling affliction as part of the ascension process, as I stated before. So I sleep anywhere up to 20 hours a day, in efforts to try heal myself of a fairly debilitating illness that doctors are unable to diagnose

I generally only get around 4-5 hours a day, where I have motivation to do anything

So typing lengthy responses, can take some matter of days

In these posts, I will clarify on the problems I see with some of the things HH claimed in their posts

This, hopefully, will give you some context towards the questions you asked

Context that is needed, considering the open nature of the questions you are asking

The thing you need consider, is that you are seeking to understand things beyond yourself

When you need, first understand things within yourself

This is the purpose of the process known as Initiation

Initiation literally means: "To go into"

It is a process where your "outwards" perception of the world, looking towards things beyond yourself, is instead turned inwards

This is why it is often referred to as "entering the underworld, or the abyss"

To seek the underworld, some use meditation. Some use chemicals to open receptors and expand their conscious mind. Some have physical dimensional experiences. Some, such as in my case, experience a (ritual and intentional) physical death and resurrection

The point of Initiation, is that the deeper and more intimately you come to understand the nature of what lays "within yourself", instinctively. The deeper and more intimate your understanding of things "beyond yourself", can be applied to it

Think of it similar to you asking "How does a star work?', when you do not yet have the understanding of how the cells and atoms in your body work

The world is, collectively, slowly being "evolved" and "awoken" to understanding non-linear concepts instinctually, through movies and things promoting complex non-linear dynamics (concepts such as "multiverse") ...

But we still have a long way to go

If you seek to understand the creator. You need first understand the creation

It is not simply a matter of being given the answer. It is a matter of re-wiring your conscious mind and brain, in such a way to be able to perceive and visualise it

I can give you the knowledge which is offered to the initiates, to align the mind in such a way

But you will need to go through the processes, to remove the blockages that limit your ability to visualise and perceive your full potential

The map can easily be given by another such as myself, and will cost you nothing

The journey however, you must take alone, and it may cost you everything

I am not joking when I say that it will literally re-wire your brain and physical conscious. "Going inwards" in initiation, amounts to accelerating and increasing your cellular complexity

It takes many years and can be very painful

But it is the only path towards understanding things beyond yourself

INITIATION - The Lesser Mysteries: "To go into" (The Sumerian fish people)
You first look inwards, seeking to understand all which can be known to you, within yourself. Removing all possible blockages, and opening all possible pathways

ASCENSION - The Greater Mysteries: "To go out from" (The Sumerian bird people, or "Angels")
You then go outwards, seeking to align your inner body form (self), with your outer body form (the world). Through which you can influence the external sphere, using your greater understanding of the inner sphere

I'll detail the Illuminated concept of internal/external body in a moment, to show you how HH used a similar version of the concept, to promote a disconnected perception of all those other than certain families or bloodlines

originally posted by: AllisVibration
a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

I realise you didn’t ask me these questions, and I can’t provide the answers. What I would suggest though is you won’t and can’t find such answers outside of yourself. (plenty of opinions maybe to chew over, but nobody can impart understanding) Even if the answers are available, our minds as they are, aren’t capable of comprehending them anyway. Even if we do have some great epiphany, it tends to be fleeting and intangible. Still such a thing might profoundly affect how we then lead our lives.

Far better to work on self understanding and mastery, a difficult enough goal as it is.

Yes

The most common problem is that deterministic will (such as within belief), is the enemy of possibility

You cannot fill a cup, which is already full

Just as you cannot explore the depth of possibility, with those of deterministic will, towards things they have been told are so

Or those without the depth of experience to understand the things they think they know

Even if all the answers were to be given all at once, it would make no difference to your life, regardless

Knowledge is nothing without understanding
And understanding is based on experience

Everything else is subjective

The Illuminated primary truth is:

"The only thing you can ever know for certain in this world is that you exist
Everything else is up for debate

Personal belief is not the same as knowing
Knowing is not the same as understanding"

As I stated earlier

Knowledge is like a map
Experience is within the walking
Understanding is within the journey

There are some answers that cannot simply be given
Unless you walk the path, by which you can understand them

Good post again AllIsVibration

THE TRINITIES - EMOTIONAL TRI-MANIFESTATION (Hermes Trismegistus)

I will keep this part brief. If there is anything you want me to expand on, or link to any other cultures or traditions, feel free to ask

In order to become an Initiate, one must first have an understanding that:

We are all born with a divine connection to the source of our common creation, that many refer to as "God", inherent from birth

A DIRECT connection

One that does not need to be awarded, nor empowered through any type of hierarchy or order

There is no hierarchy in between you, and that which you seek, only the illusion of such, which act as blockages

Things such as the religious "trinities" are not just a concept for the internal/external balance of:

1) Creator (God for instance)
2) Creation (Jesus for instance)
3) The balance and exchange between them (Holy spirit for instance)


Ill explain more about the relation of this concept to physics and the symbols we use for numbers, within one of my next posts. But I have included the image above, so you can get an understanding that this concept very literally aligns with the symbols we use for our numbers. Which are drawn the way they are, for a very specific reason, to illustrate a very particular process within the forming of a cell

The very same "sphere" of the trinity concept, is, and always has been, also a key to understanding your own individual conscious mind. As it manifests within exchange in, to and with, the physical body

CATHOLIC/JEWISH - OLD TESTAMENT/TORAH
Genesis/Bereshít = Biology - Internal
Exodus/Shemot = Geometry - External
Leviticus/Vayikra = Vectoring (Exchange) - Direction and gateway

CATHOLIC/CHRISTIAN - NEW TESTAMENT
Father – Primary – Thought (External)
Son – Secondary – Emotion (Internal)
Holy Spirit – Gateway – Spirit (Directional)

TRIMURTI
Brahma - Embodiment
Vishnu - Envisioning
Shiva - Serving / Offering / Sacrifice (Depending on internal/external perspective)

FREEMASONS
Entered Initiate – Primary (Internal)
Fellowcraft – Secondary (External)
Master Mason – Gateway (Directional)

ROSICRUSCIAN
Head – Thought
Heart – Emotion
Hara (Gut) – Action

ELEUSINIAN
Kore - Core/Nucleus
Hades - Radius
Demeter - Diameter/Dimension (Depending on internal/external perspective)

DAO
Qi – Mind
Shen – Heart
Jing – Body

TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDICINE
Upper Dantian
Middle Dantian
Lower Dantian

BUDDHIST
Thought
Speech
Action

SUFI
Head
Heart
Hand

PHYSICS – ELEMENTS
Gas – Sky
Liquid – Sea
Solid – Earth

ASTRONOMY
Earth – Organs / The Complex
Venus – Veins / The Flow
Mars – Muscle / The Flesh

EGYPTIAN
Akh – Arch
Ba – Bear
Ka – Carry

ILLUMINATED
(Un) The Eye – Mind / Sun / Sky
(To) The Waters – Heart / Moon / Sea
(The) The Hand – Body / Solar System / Earth

ILLUMINATED "THREE BY THREE" VERSION OF THE KABBALAH "TREE OF LIFE"


The Mesopotamian Tablet Of Shamesh is no different to Solomon (Solar Moon) and the layering of his temples

One built upon the other, which aligns with the brain and heart

The 3rd temple is "yet to be built" as it represents the ability of "action" within animate life. Our ability to move and build the temple, is itself the 3rd temple

As we evolve, populate and form the planet, we are building the 3rd temple

As we grow, age and reproduce to continue our bloodline, we are also building the 3rd temple

Like all other "inbetweens'" of the various trinities. It represents the ability to "go between" and "find balance"

The individual "Shamesh/Solomon" who sits on the throne, is shown as

1) Sitting on a throne before the alter
2) Being they above themselves, who casts down upon the alter
3) And also being that which is cast down upon the alter


The 3 people shown in front of him, are not different people. But represent the 3 aspects of his own being, reflecting upon itself

Which are again, similar to various listed above

The one upon the throne, and their 3 aspects, are also shown reflecting as an astrological phase of three, above the throne of "Shamesh/Solomon"

As with those who are depicted as "fish people" or with "water flowing inwards towards them" in Mesopotamia, you will note that the man seated on the throne, is wearing a dress made of water (frequency)

This means they are an "Initiate". One who has gone inwards, into the metaphorical waters of the underworld

Likewise, one of his phased reflections is also wearing clothes made of water

This one of the 3, in the Freemason traditions, aligns with the 1st of the 3 main degrees, "The Entered Initiate"

The concept of the individual mind, being one in the same as the sun they exist under, is also the meaning behind the symbol of "Ahura Mazda" in the "Zoroastrian tradition"

It is also no different to the understanding of the Piscean "fisherman" Jesus, having a "crown of thorns" put around his head. As the older understanding, is that there is no difference between the sun in the sky, and the mind within your head

It is also why Jesus is shown with one "halo" of the sun around his head, and another around the heart in the middle of his chest

A heart he "touches", representing the 3rd layer. Action, touch, or body

The reflection of the individual, works in exactly the same way, as the divine reflection of the creator within its creation

This forms an important aspect of understanding what we refer to as emotion (Hermes/Samuel)

Emotional trimanifestation (Hermes Trismegistus) aligns within much the same way

1) The Image (self)
2) The reflection (the world and all within it)
3) Emotion (input / output, within directional gateway)

THE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL BODIES

HH: Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body part within the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in the functioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole'
has our undivided loyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family

HH is using a very important Illuminated concept as an example. But doing so in such a way that is designed to give the average person that they are disconnected from the concept, and that it is beyond them, for only certain bloodlines/families

This is not the case

The Philosophers stone, is an understanding that the external spheres inside of which you exist, are not different to the internalised sphere from within which your mind and perception emerge


It also aligns with the physics of the "water" bridge, from which all elements and physical matter can be made. But I won't go into this, unless you are interested in knowing in a later post

There is no division between these things. Only a "directional" linear alignment of phase, which gives the illusion that you stand as something you are, looking outwards at something you are not

The reality is, that you are both. What you look out upon, is simply a massively expanded externalised version, of what you have condensed within your body, and that which looks out



The concept itself, is easy enough to perceive

The hard part, is removing blockages and aligning your internal and external spheres

It is one thing to appreciate the concept that the world around you is your external body, and mirrors your internal body and organs

It is another thing completely, to be able to visualise and align with it fluidly, so that you can obtain some manner of control and influence over one, with the other

Knowing this, you may be able to see what I mean by HH promoting "Illuminated concepts" which have been corrupted and reversed to be the exact opposite of what they are intended to be

Such as with them promoting the "Houses" of supposed elite bloodlines, as being organs within a body

Rather than allowing any person to grow in such a way that they can learn to understand, visualise and align their internal (self) body and external (world) body fluidly, HH is promoting a perception, that alignment to the organs of the body, and indeed the body itself, is something restricted to exclusive groups

We are given a very specific understanding within Illumination, of the continents and lands of Earth, correlating with organs within the human body

An understanding, which then also correlates to another layer, within the naming of the planets

Which then also correlates to another layer, within the naming of the stars

An example:

VENUS = VEINS
MARS = MUSCLE
SATURN = SKELETON

These alignments are literal. Not metaphorical

They are just hard to visualise dimensionally. Until your mind has been opened in such a way as to perceive things fluidly

When you come to understand the concept deep enough, you start to see the alignment of names of places on Earth, to both organs in the body, and stars in the sky, very clearly

Then you will see patterns within them, that help you align between the layers

Such as with Australia, being the very literal "heart" of this world. With the barrier reef, running within it cleansing the waters. In the same way that the heart cleanses blood

With the internal reflection of this heart, within the heart, being Ayers rock. Exactly in the middle. The very first "nucleus" of the Earth, as it was created

Contrary to what science may today believe, we should eventually come to understand that Ayers rock represents the single oldest point of "land" on this planet

Which is also why Australia is the only place in the world you will find Marsupial

And why Australia has evolutionary link animals such as the Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger). Part canine, part feline, part mammal (with a pouch)

It goes much, much deeper than this

But there is no point going into it, unless your eyes are open to being able to recognise such patterns fluidly

a reply to: Compendium

Pure gravy Compster.
Thank-you.

Have you been to see a Naturopath, or Shaman, for your ailments ?
Perhaps the new initiation, needn't require the passing of your meat-suit ?

( Maybe it is only my ego, that wants to keep you around. )

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: ThisPlaceIsADream

Hidden Hand used to be known as Mouse in Excite Chat in 1999... was a butcher who learned to code, eventually became good enough at it to build Voodoo Chat when Excite chat died off. He had a Klan in Excite Chat called The Black Hand which became in Voodoo Chat The Hidden Hand.

Fancied himself an overlord of Avatar-based chat and then decided he was actually from an older bloodline that would run the world... so everyone eventually ran screaming from his klan.

He was always good at theatrics though...

That's not entirely true. The black hand was run by archon, real name Mike. He also was behind voodoo chat. Mouse was heavily involved however and created software for kicking people put of the chat software of excite.

I was part of a rival group who's website was nazgul.net and was run by whisk0r. We also created software for exploiting vulnerabilities within excite chat. One difference is we would give the developers the code for the exploit. If over a certain amount the exploit wasn't fixed then the booting program would be released.

Ornithopter was one of the best known kicking softwares. Many others were created.

I had many run ins with archon and mouse and really is was all very good fun although it ultimately all led to the downfall of virtual places which was a shame.

All the software for booting was coded in visual basic until right at the end when people switched to coding in C.