When Europe's most progressive country votes for the right...

a reply to: Kenzo
If that's true , he can't do that much with a coalition thats on his ass all the time

And all his plans has to be approved by the senate, that now mainly exist out of farmer party members
So there he has a very strong ally

Personally I don't think he has strong ties with Russia but deems it moreover stupid to taunt or get into conflict with Russia over Eu socialistic disputes against Russia

But it's true one of Putin's daughters lived quite awhile in the Netherlands and has a Dutch husband

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Israel isn't in Europe, the topic of the thread.

So why bring it up?

I was using that government as an example to make a point as pertains to this thread's topic, for clarity.

originally posted by: quintessentone

See now I just don't consider the effect on my life, I'm elderly now, so my check keeps coming but I want it to keep coming. My concerns spread out far and wide to the younger people who can't afford a home or can't pass the stress test, or the non-living wages which do nothing to boost an economy, or a leader who is impotent in matters that really count. See, there's lots to choose from and if I choose a stronger economy for the younger gen then if it happens to be the right, so be it.

Buying a house is not typically the best move anymore. People just do not stay in one place for 30 years to make it worth it.

The term living wage is not good. No one can really define it and so companies just push up minimum wages while leaving everyone else at the same level. So the person who was working for years at 16 bucks an hour sees new people at 15 now while they are still 16. Pushing up to that 15 then forces the company to cut jobs and/or only hire part-time. A full-time worker that makes 70k actually costs a company over 100k, so going part-time those 30k+ in benefits are not needed.

The bigger problem is we have too many crappy jobs and not enough good jobs that actually are worth higher pay as we pushed jobs over seas. A lot of people are stuck in service-style jobs and they always pay the worst overall.

a reply to: Kenzo

I think most of the whats called hard right are m,ore or less pro putin. Probably because he was the only one to offer a bit of succour to them. His days are numbered though, look at how Georgia Meloni has distanced her government ffrom Putin apologia.

a reply to: 0bserver1

Well considering also that shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 by Russia which killed 192 Dutch over skies in Ukraine, he seem to be moron big time....just about 6 years ago Wilders sayed " russia no enemy " , and that was few years after MH17 .

Europe wont need that kind of person IMO ....There is a war and Russia started it.

Btw Dutch intelligence officers catch earlyer Russian GRU person with fake Brazilian identity, trying to get inside organisation there...i think it was International Criminal Court (ICC) The Hague, Netherlands.

I don't know what socialists and liberals are whining about , if one of the coalition parties tend break away from this newly formed coalition the whole parliament will fall into remission and we have to vote all over again

If only one scandal finds its way or into the msn hands were back where we started

So to be clear , we can't uphold a far left or right government wih fascist ideology , that's something that is not possible in our government

a reply to: SprocketUK

I keep saying, the pendulum will swing and this time it will be to the right. Problem is the left has gone so extreme, so corrupt, so depraved and so far away from common sense, it's going to be a very hard swing to the right. Personally, I am more centre-right libertarian and I think it's going to swing so far (too far for me), the seriously religious fanatical kooks are going to gain some ground. We could even be looking at the beginnings of a "Handmaid's Tale" type crazy.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: SprocketUK

Not surpriced if something bad would happen to Wilders, he has enemys in Europe . Georgia Meloni seems okey now, thought not much followed her .

a reply to: SprocketUK

It doesn't have to be left vs right.

It's (in reality) the Left vs Common Sense.

a reply to: Kenzo
Okay but the international criminal court has its own governing rules and we don't have anything to say about that piece of land the court stands on?

It's controlled by the EU and guarded by the EU?

a reply to: Kenzo

I think he is under 24 hr police protection anyway.

a reply to: 0bserver1

I dont know the details....but i am seeing red just from the thought Russian GRU folks walking in Europe

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I hope not, I am usually left enough to be regarded as a damn commie in the states haha.
These days though the left make me feel like I am national bloody front

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I hope not, I am usually left enough to bne regarded as adamn commie in the states haha.
These days though the left make me feel like I am national bloody front

I used to be a center-right libertarian, but the left went so far out that now I'm like a member of the John Birch Society.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Yep. I'm an evil Dem, apparently.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: SprocketUK

Yep. I'm an evil Dem, apparently.

well rich old lawyer what else ya gonna be?

a reply to: Kenzo
We don't have the power and stupidity to ever allow such things to happen

But , we have to be careful that state secrets as of our economical secrets that our allied partners and our government and military have control over not come into the wrong hands

Anyway the FBI and NCIA interpol are operating here also and if that happens they will warn us because it's also in their interest

Not much will eventually happen and small adjustments will be made in parliament
To the need of the people so we get quiet again

a reply to: SprocketUK

Bloody peasant!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Sure I'm curious how this is going to play out
But I really hate politics

Anybody that promotes "don't vote" is a complete idiot. listen very carefully, if you don't vote does not mean there wont be a government. If everybody in the country doesn't vote bar one voter in every constituency then that government gets in. There is no chance in hell that that many voters wont vote, so use your intelligence and at least vote. If you don't vote and the government is not to your liking you don't come after the event with ANY form of criticism.

The danger has been cause by the mainstream parties ruling for so long that they have got complacent thinking that they can do just what they want in disregarding the population. Yes this is what they have done and what they are doing, so ultimately they are driving the electorate into what could be dangerous territory. You only have to have a party that gives the electorate what they really want, then!!!! This is exactly how the Nazis gained power in Germany.