Was the slashing of Adam Johnson a Nottingham ice hockey team member murder?i

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: xWorldxGonexMadx

originally posted by: sine.nomine
I've seen freak accidents in hockey before, but I've never seen someone kick their leg up so dramatically from what may have been a minor trip with no effect on the player he may have tripped on before.

It's suspect. I wouldn't call it murder like some folks. Possibly malicious with the worst unforeseen outcome. Prayers to Adam Johnson and his family. This broke my heart.

Isn't this a bit dramatic?

Broke your heart??

You didn't even know the guy??

You seem like an OTT Gen Z Snowflake! Get yourself toughened up!

I grew up playing hockey. Yeah, it breaks my heart to see an athlete die on the ice, you hobgoblin.

My God, you trolls and your opportunistic mentality of insulting anyone. What was the intent of your post other than vitriolic nonsense?

Well... ok, maybe this death was closer to you than most but still....

Get a grip and nope, I'm not a troll... just thought you were over-reacting.

a reply to: Frustrated22

He absolutely kicked that man on purpose..

Its an opinion through, and not a proven fact.

Did he intend to kill him? Probably not..

Well, it would be a hell of a stupid place to choose to commit murder if indeed he did intend proper malice and murder given the witnesses around.

A drunk driver doesn’t intentionally kill people but there are a lot of them in prison for manslaughter.

Players take the chance of injury when they decide to play the game and enter the field or in this case rink, and hence the reason they are clad head to toe in body armor.

If it was a boxer who killed his opponent in combat would he also have intentionally committed manslaughter?

a reply to: xWorldxGonexMadx

It could be intentional, which is debatable, can't argue otherwise.

As to what happened, keep in mind it's at pace, and by the looks of the incident happened rather sharpish.

What he could have done, and should have done, might be two different things.

a reply to: xWorldxGonexMadx

Sorry for insulting you.

[editing to redact the unnecessary explanation.]

Injuries happen in hockey. Sometimes they're fatal. Sometimes they're gruesome. I don't believe it was meant to be fatal. I don't necessarily believe it was intentional. And yes, it's very sad. I just think a murder/manslaughter charge is extremely harsh given the entire field of context here.

a reply to: sine.nomine

Clint Malarchuk, Sabres goalie, survived one of these many years ago.

I think this happened again about a year ago.

One of the redneck comics said “Sure I love hockey ….. fistfights and they carry clubs and have razors on their feet”.

a reply to: andy06shake

Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder because the jury had the opinion that it wasn't accidental and he did it in a street with lots of witnesses and video evidence. Kind of a stupid place right?


If a boxer knocks down his opponent and he dies then no..it's accidental.

If he kicks him in the head while he's down killing his opponent then yes.. murder.

But hey... That's my opinion 👍

a reply to: Bluntone

The fact is that nobody was down through(at least to begin with), which is kind of a salient point.

If he had landed on the ice, and the fellow had turned around and ran the skate across his throat, then that would be real malice and murder.

Else and as unfortunate as the case may be it's just a strong tackle/clash that happens to be a foul, that unfortunately resulted in the poor sod's death.

This happened in a heartbeat with both players somewhat on their feet.

They know what can happen before they go onto the ice and once again is the reason they are clad in protective gear from head to toe.

Ice Hockey is about as close to a blood sport as there is in this day of age, and is indeed dangerous.

Have to also say I'm not quite sure what the conviction of Derek Chauvin has to do with a tragic incident that took place during a hockey game that transpired in Sheffield, England, which is just my opinion.

End of the day it's a really horrible thing to have happened, my heart goes out to the man's family, loved ones, and teammates, and also to the poor sod responsible who i bet is not too chuffed with himself right now.

I read about this incident, my husband likes ice hockey, even he said that it was intentionally, because lets face it, now ice hockey will become a mortal game.

Yes all sports have its dangers but slashing somebody's throat and killing it, is mortal.

Lets see what is going to happen after all this.

a reply to: andy06shake

I can't say I agree with you here but they sure are protecting this guy.

I looked up the story and most of them don't even name anyone but the dead guy. Oddly enough I did find this gem though...

" Adam Johnson was pronounced dead in hospital after sustaining the injury from a skate worn by Sheffield Steelers player Matt Petgrave on Saturday evening."

The skate gets the blame...lol... Wow

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Bluntone
a reply to: andy06shake

Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder because the jury had the opinion that it wasn't accidental and he did it in a street with lots of witnesses and video evidence. Kind of a stupid place right?


If a boxer knocks down his opponent and he dies then no..it's accidental.

If he kicks him in the head while he's down killing his opponent then yes.. murder.

But hey... That's my opinion 👍

Well, just as an aside, the coroner determined that Floyd had absolutely no injuries that could have been associated with Chauvin’s actions. Floyd died of the effects of long term hard drug use, topped off by a nice fentanyl bender on that day.

But the left needed a big juicy racial blowup to get BLM launched, and Chauvin was a big enough dummy to give them the visual they needed. Seems like Chauvin was a skinny little “tough guy” who thought it was cool to be seen kneeling on a big monster like Floyd. Did it to himself.

a reply to: blindmellojello

Im not trying to stir up that hornets nest again. I was just pointing out that people get convicted of murder based on opinions of intent.

originally posted by: blindmellojello
a reply to: sine.nomine

Clint Malarchuk, Sabres goalie, survived one of these many years ago.

I think this happened again about a year ago.

One of the redneck comics said “Sure I love hockey ….. fistfights and they carry clubs and have razors on their feet”.

Just looked up Malarchuk to revisit his story. Was shocked to read about his PSTD after the incident.

He eventually shot himself up under the chin with a .22, but the bullet just lodged in his sinus.

Talk about terrible luck then great luck.

a reply to: Bluntone

can't say I agree with you here but they sure are protecting this guy.

Who is "they" through Bluntone?

Its sound that we dont agree on the matter after all thats what debate is about.

I looked up the story and most of them don't even name anyone but the dead guy. Oddly enough I did find this gem though...

Could be something to do with the other fellow has yet to comment far as I'm aware.

Unless he is some kind of ninja on ice who specialises in cutting other people's jugular veins with his feet for sad kicks and hoots i imagine he's probably rather distraught himself regarding his actions and the subsequent death of a fellow player.

Adam Johnson was pronounced dead in hospital after sustaining the injury from a skate worn by Sheffield Steelers player Matt Petgrave on Saturday evening."

Apparently, emergency responders managed to get his pulse back in the ambulance on the way to the hospital but unfortunately, he had lost too much blood and was too far gone to be revived.

The skate gets the blame...lol... Wow

They are rather sharp and the poor fellow did not have a neck guard, it would have been like a razor through paper as unfortunate as the case may be.

a reply to: andy06shake

That being said in the video the kick does indeed look like it could also have been intentional.

With out question Yes the Kick was intentional 100% .

That said I slowed the Video all the way down , I Noticed that Johnson goes low and leans back right as 'Petgrave' kicked putting Petgraves skate right in his throat .

If Johnson would have stayed upright instead of leaning back right when he did the Skate would have hit him in the chest .

Why did the Guy Kick like that ??? Who Knows . BUT He did not mean to kill him or hit him in the throat . Hokey is a violent game end of story.

I guess everything is coming down to see if the kick intention meant to be deadly and malicious.

Still that kick was high, the skate its a deadly weapon. But soo far has never been a court incident stating that they are.

They are just "dangerous."

This is what I see.

Nieminen sees Johnson coming at him. He raises his foot to kick Johnson in the chest pads and avoid the check. Perhaps he was expecting to knock Johnson back or down with the kick, also thinking there would be no injury because he kicked the pads. Essentially, a chest shove with his foot.

Johnson is knocked back only slightly, as his momentum carries him forward. Nieminen's skate bounces on the pads and slides up to the neck, killing Johnson.

I've read a couple of places that this particular player has been known for some questionable play in the past. While it may truly have been an accident, they would likely take his past actions into account. I don't see a murder charge coming from this, but I wouldn't be shocked to see manslaughter.

Player needs to be banned from hockey. Dirty play by a dirty player. I grew up in the 70's and 80's watching hockey
when a game could turn into a scene from Slap shot but nobody ever tries to use their feet (skate) to hurt somebody.

Adam tonight in my hometown will honor Adam at the UMD and Gopher hockey game. Adam played for the UMD
Bulldogs. He grew up north of duluth in Hibbing.

RIP...

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Sound enough assessment asabuvsobelow.

A tragic turn of events.

Sheffield Steelers player Matt Petgrave has been arrested for the manslaughter of Nottingham Panthers player Adam Johnson after his tragic death last month.
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