New vacines being rolled out.

a reply to: chr0naut

CDC stats for 2020-2021 showed no more than 2000 cases for flu compared to millions in the years before 🤷

www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: chr0naut

You was talking about COVID no?

You gave flu stats for 2023, during the pandemic flu virtually disappeared...

You also never answered my original question 🤔

You don't or won't listen to anything but what you want to hear/read it seems, the whole pandemic and forced vaccines was shambolic and if it wasn't for people not getting a vaccine then you wouldn't have a control group to compare with.

a reply to: chr0naut

Here is a more up to date look at how Sweden did:

Sweden during the Pandemic Pariah or Paragon?
AUGUST 29, 2023

www.cato.org...

After all was said and done, astonishingly, Sweden had one of the lowest excess death rates of all European countries, and less than half that of the United States.

There is a lot to read.....so the above quote is pretty far down the page in the link.

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

Or instead posting a newspaper article you could research it yourself, here I'll even give a government backed site, it's the Office of National Statistics in the UK. Sweden was the 2nd lowest for excess deaths in all Europe...

Comparisons of all-cause mortality between European countries and regions: 28 December 2019 to week ending 1 July 2022

I fixed your link and also I think you will find that Denmark, Finland and Norway were all lower if you check the statistics per million of population.

a reply to: chr0naut

Either way you used Sweden to say they did worse than the US and they obviously didn't, no lockdowns, no masks no forced vaccines....

You still never answered my original question by the way...

If the government, TV and media didn't tell you that COVID was here then would all of this have happened?

Because 3 years on it certainly looks like a flu season....

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut

Here is a more up to date look at how Sweden did:

Sweden during the Pandemic Pariah or Paragon?
AUGUST 29, 2023

www.cato.org...

After all was said and done, astonishingly, Sweden had one of the lowest excess death rates of all European countries, and less than half that of the United States.

There is a lot to read.....so the above quote is pretty far down the page in the link.

The US and the UK were high in excess deaths compared to most EU countries and therefore they are a poor comparison in this case.

From that Cato report:

"By June 14, 2023, Sweden had suffered a total of 2,322 COVID-19 deaths per million people. That was still almost 40 percent higher than Norway, Denmark, and Finland, but nowhere near 5 to 10 times their death rates as in the beginning of the pandemic. And it is a lower rate than that of Southern Europe—and much lower than the United States and the United Kingdom, which both had more than 3,300 deaths per million people (see Figure 1)."

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

CDC stats for 2020-2021 showed no more than 2000 cases for flu compared to millions in the years before 🤷

www.cdc.gov...

Most people stayed home. Flu was way down, but alcoholism and suicides were way up.

a reply to: chr0naut

Under the conclusion it says:

Now we know more. It seems likely that Sweden did much better than other countries in terms of the economy, education, mental health, and domestic abuse, and still came away from the pandemic with fewer excess deaths than in almost any other European country, and less than half that of the United States—the country where both the president and major newspapers repeatedly used Sweden as a cautionary tale. The conclusion is uncomfortable for other governments. It was not Sweden that engaged in a reckless, unprecedented pandemic experiment, but the rest of the world. This experiment did not turn out well compared to the one country that did not throw out the manual. Millions of people were deprived of their freedoms without a discernible benefit to public health.

Like I said there is a lot in the article.......

The U.S. (being a capitalist nation) also had many deaths with Covid-19 added as a contributor, even though the person didn't have Covid-19. Medical professionals and institutions made billions of dollars from "Covid relief funds" in this manner.

a reply to: chr0naut

This is why so many scholars and decisionmakers insisted that it was necessary to wait for a broader perspective and look at excess deaths, that is, the number of deaths over a period compared to a previous period or an expected value. Now we have those numbers. When you look at excess deaths during the three pandemic years, 2020–2022, compared to the previous three years, you get a very different picture. According to this measure, Sweden’s excess death rate during the pandemic was 4.4 percent higher than previously. Compared to the data that other countries report to Eurostat, this is less than half of the average European level of 11.1 percent, and remarkably, it is the lowest excess mortality rate during the pandemic of all European countries, including Norway, Denmark, and Finland (see Figure 2).30

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

""which will unpack and rewrite part of your DNA which until now we never DARED make the mistake of changing it ""

oh believe me its been tested, if not on our children in mental hospitals, and prisoners, then definitely in ukraine, or africa...

BUT GUARANTEED TESTED ON SOMEONE
or they wouldnt have wasted the effort

a reply to: carewemust

Then how did COVID transmit, they have the same transmission 🤣

You can't actually believe what you wrote there can you?

It makes no sense whatsoever

a reply to: chr0naut

You have the media pushing the narrative that these Mrna injections are safe and effective, you have a reporting system that allows a certain percentage of adverse effects to appear for public view. But it must be drastically underreported. Because if a Doctor spends precious time to lodge a report, he is now in danger of getting struck off. So the majority of doctors will not bother as it can take twenty minutes to half an hour to lodge the report. The real rate of adverse effects due to this snake oil must be very high. www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

CDC stats for 2020-2021 showed no more than 2000 cases for flu compared to millions in the years before 🤷

www.cdc.gov...

Well yes, but also everyone was wearing masks and social distancing to NOT spread germs. So it follows that you should have less of all colds, flus, etc. when everyone is doing what they can to avoid the spread.

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

CDC stats for 2020-2021 showed no more than 2000 cases for flu compared to millions in the years before 🤷

www.cdc.gov...

Well yes, but also everyone was wearing masks and social distancing to NOT spread germs. So it follows that you should have less of all colds, flus, etc. when everyone is doing what they can to avoid the spread.

I'm guessing you meant to say "viruses"? There is no evidence that masks slow the transmission of respiratory viruses. In fact it is well known that they don't. We shouldn't need studies, common sense alone is all we need. Masks can stop droplets, but respiratory viruses are spread via being airborne. So ventilation is the best thing (and is what industrial hygienists have been saying all along). Forcing people indoors as many authorities did seems a good way to ensure spread among certain demographic groups...

At best quarantining the healthy could inhibit the spread of viral infection temporarily, but there is no rational reason for the disappearance of the flu.

From Cochrane, one of the world's most highly regarded and prestigious groups re evaluating medical evidence...

"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks

Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09.

N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks

The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference for the objective and more precise outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza infection.....Restricting pooling to healthcare workers made no difference to the overall findings.

Harms were poorly measured and reported, but discomfort wearing medical/surgical masks or N95/P2 respirators was mentioned in several studies (very low‐certainty evidence).

One previously reported ongoing RCT has now been published and observed that medical/surgical masks were non‐inferior to N95 respirators in a large study of 1009 healthcare workers in four countries providing direct care to COVID‐19 patients. "

From the conclusion.

"The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection."

www.cochranelibrary.com...

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

You was talking about COVID no?

You gave flu stats for 2023, during the pandemic flu virtually disappeared...

You also never answered my original question 🤔

You don't or won't listen to anything but what you want to hear/read it seems, the whole pandemic and forced vaccines was shambolic and if it wasn't for people not getting a vaccine then you wouldn't have a control group to compare with.

According to those stats I gave, flu didn't 'virtually disappear'. And if you look at the stats for flu back in 2012, it shows how variable flu numbers have been.

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

Either way you used Sweden to say they did worse than the US and they obviously didn't, no lockdowns, no masks no forced vaccines....

You still never answered my original question by the way...

If the government, TV and media didn't tell you that COVID was here then would all of this have happened?

Because 3 years on it certainly looks like a flu season....

I never said that Sweden was worse than the US. I said that Sweden was worse than its proximal neighbor countries, with similar genetic pools, similar population densities, and similar climates.

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

Flu and COVID have the SAME transmission 🤣

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lychian
a reply to: chr0naut

You was talking about COVID no?

You gave flu stats for 2023, during the pandemic flu virtually disappeared...

You also never answered my original question 🤔

You don't or won't listen to anything but what you want to hear/read it seems, the whole pandemic and forced vaccines was shambolic and if it wasn't for people not getting a vaccine then you wouldn't have a control group to compare with.

According to those stats I gave, flu didn't 'virtually disappear'. And if you look at the stats for flu back in 2012, it shows how variable flu numbers have been.

Yes, the flu did disapear in 2020, even according to the WHO. (Or was that because every single flu case was labeled as "covid")




We've gone over this over and over again and you just repeat the same lie after having your government propaganda torn to shreds every single time.

a reply to: chr0naut

quote]
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale - New York Times from 2020.

From that article: "Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark."


🤔

You've still not answered my original question by the way...