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Is Baphomet an esoteric representation of Jesus Christ?

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posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 04:53 PM
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Baphomet is a symbol that has generated intrigue and controversy throughout history. It’s associated with occultism, mystery traditions, and the Knights Templar. While its origins and meanings are subject to interpretation, some individuals have proposed intriguing parallels between Baphomet and Christ. A notable parallel lie in their association with duality. Baphomet’s depicted as androgynous in nature and represents the equilibration of opposites and the integration of masculine and feminine energies. Christ is likewise depicted (especially in paintings) as androgenous and in ancient text is sometimes described as a merging of the male and the female. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes Christ and Mary as originally being a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite; describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders.1 Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet. Intriguingly, some propose that the name “Jesus Christ” could represent the merging of two distinct entities or names into one. This idea is bolstered by the identification of “Jesus” as an ancient name for Isis, referred to as “Esus” in hieroglyphic inscriptions,2 and “Christ” as a name historically associated with Osiris (explored in ‘The Horus-Jesus Connection’ book). Within this framework, Isis and Osiris serve as possible precursors for the Biblical figures Mary and Christ.

This union or merging of Mary and Christ into a hermaphrodite like Baphomet represent twin souls becoming one and the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. The Philosopher’s Stone represents the alchemical process of inner transformation, leading to the ultimate goal of Divine Union. Divine Union refers to a spiritual state of unity and connection with the divine or higher consciousness. In essence, it refers to the coming together of twin souls, similar to how Christ merges with Mary or how Osiris merges with Isis. According to Manly Palmer Hall, in his book ‘Initiates of the Flame’, the “marriage of the Sun and Moon” represents the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. For the ancient Egyptians, the Moon represented Isis and the Sun represented Osiris and their union created Horus who was the fusion of both his parents and a divine hermaphrodite. In his book ‘Gods Wear Spandex’, Chris Knowles says: “The Chemical Wedding referred to the work of the alchemists, who sought to marry the masculine and feminine properties of creation and produce the Royal Hermaphrodite, which some historians have linked to Harpocrates (Younger Horus)”. In the ancient mysteries, the ultimate aim of the philosophers was not to transform lead chemically into gold, but transform man and woman into the divine hermaphrodite. This is ultimately what Baphomet represents. It represents the idea that true spiritual enlightenment and wholeness come from embracing and integrating both the masculine and feminine aspects of creation. This union of opposites is seen as a path to spiritual balance and ultimate transcendence. This integration of the male and female is also represented by Rebis, which is a 17th-century figure used to symbolize the Magnum Opus or Great Work.

The connections between Christ and Baphomet are not widely recognized or agreed upon, but esoteric interpretations have been proposed. For example, in his book ‘Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, Abraxas Aletheia argues that Baphomet is an esoteric symbol of Christ: “Contrary to popular belief, Baphomet is an image of an esoteric Jesus Christ created from a composite of alchemical, Kabbalistic and Christian symbols”. One such connection symbolically between Baphomet and Christ can be found in Baphomet’s caducous which matches the Christogram which is a monogram or combination of letters that forms an abbreviation for Christ’s name. One of Baphomet’s most recognizable symbols is the pentagram emblazoned on its forehead. The pentagram is commonly associated with Christ. In Christian tradition, the pentagram is seen as a symbolic connection to the five wounds of Christ. In certain esoteric traditions, the pentagram has been linked to the planet Venus, called the Morning Star or the Evening Star, depending on its appearance in the sky. This is of relevance, because Christ describes himself as the bright Morning Star in the Book of Revelation (22:16). One of the earliest connections between Baphomet and Christ can be found in the mythology surrounding the Knights Templar, a medieval Christian military order. Some have suggested that the Baphomet head that the Knights Templars venerated was the head of Christ. In her book ‘The Templars: The Secret History Revealed’, Barbara Frale says: “The last point raised in the indictment against the Templars concerned the secret veneration of an idol in the shape of a bearded head. There is clear evidence of the existence of image of Christ in the religious life of the order, as well as a mysterious cult devoted to the Sacred Blood”. Frale’s essentially suggesting that the Baphomet head was that of Christ. This same idea was the subject of the book ‘The Head of God: The Lost Treasure of the Templars’, by Keith Laidler.

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posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 04:54 PM
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Another intriguing point of convergence between Baphomet and Christ is the hand gesture known as the Punda Mandra, observed in certain depictions of both Baphomet and Christ (see below and above). This hand gesture, where the ring finger and little finger rest at the tip of the thumb and the other two fingers out-stretched, carries symbolic connotations related to duality and unity. Baphomet’s gesture can be interpreted as an embodiment of the union of opposites, reconciling masculine and feminine energies within a singular entity, while Christ’s gesture possibly signals a similar thing. This parallel suggests a shared metaphysical theme, emphasizing the integration of opposing forces and the ultimate transcendence of duality. Baphomet and Christ also share symbolic connections when it comes to the “As Above So Below” hand gesture. This gesture, depicted as an upward-pointing hand and a downward-pointing hand meeting at the centre, represents the harmony and interconnectedness between the spiritual and physical realms. Baphomet, as a representation of occult wisdom — employs this gesture to convey the principle that the macrocosm reflects the microcosm — and vice versa (as explained by Aleister Crowley). The shared symbolism of the “As Above So Below” hand gesture suggests that both Baphomet and Christ serve as conduits of divine wisdom, reminding us of the inseparable bond between the spiritual and material aspects of existence. Through this gesture, they emphasize the inherent unity of all creation, inviting us to recognize the divine within ourselves and the interconnectedness of all levels of existence. The link between Baphomet and Christ is multifaceted and open to diverse interpretations in different cultures and religions, yet these similarities suggest a profound underlying connection that unifies them.

In his 1887 book ‘The Gnostics and Their Remains’, Charles King connects Baphomet to Osiris, saying: “Interesting above the rest for the part it played in medieval superstition is the Osiris, or old man, with radiated head, a terminal figure always shown in front face with arms crossed on the breast; the true Baphomet of the Templars”. Meanwhile, Lévi equated Baphomet with the “Goat of Mendes” which was believed to be “Banebdjedet” said to be the manifestation of Osiris. However, this might be a misinterpretation. According to the article ‘The Baphomet’, Brain Pitkin says: “Lévi incorrectly identified Baphomet as the Goat of Mendes, an ancient Egyptian deity whose name should more properly be translated as being: Harpocrates, the Ram of Mendes”. The syncretism of traditions in ancient Egypt led to the identification of Harpocrates (particularly in his child form) with the ram-headed deity of Mendes. This association can be seen in certain artistic representations where Harpocrates is shown with a ram’s head or with a crown featuring ram horns. In his book ‘Magic and Theory in Practice’, famous 20th-century occultist Aleister Crowley equates Baphomet with “Horus come to full growth”. Crowley also equated Baphomet with Harpocrates and says that their symbols are identical (see his book ‘The Commentaries of AL’). In Egyptian mythology, Horus (Harpocrates) was the son of Isis and Osiris, but some sources imply that Horus was not the son of Isis and Osiris, but rather a product of them fusing as one into a hermaphrodite alchemically like Rebis.18 The 19th-century occultist Helena Blavatsky said in her book ‘The Secret Doctrine’: “Osiris is interchangeable with Isis — and Horus is of both sexes”. Some have noted similarities between Christ and Horus, suggesting that the character of Christ may have been inspired by the earlier story of Horus. Both Horus and Christ are assumed to have been born to a virgin mother, both are depicted as healers and miracle-workers, and both are associated with narratives of resurrection and triumph over death.

In his article ‘Elements of Gnostic Concepts in Depictions on Magical Gems’, Grażyna Bąkowska-Czerner says: “Harpocrates [Horus, the reborn Osiris] was a very popular deity in the Greco-Roman period, and worshipped mainly in Alexandria. Numerous depictions of the god can be found around the whole Roman Empire, where he was equated with Apollo, Helios, Heracles, Eros, and sometimes also with Cronus [Saturn]. In the Gnostic theology and art he was compared to Christ. On amulets, the name Chnoubis is repeated which is a Greek version of the word Chnum. It was the name of an Egyptian god worshipped as the maker. Chnoubis appears in the Gnostic sect of Ophites. The serpent Chnoubis sitting on a lotus flower is sometimes equated with Harpocrates and Ialdabaoth. The latter was considered by Gnostics to be the Demiurge, the first ruler with the face of a lion and snake, he was also called Ariel because he used to take on the form of a lion”. In artistic representations, Harpocrates is shown sitting on a lotus flower. The Greek philosopher Iamblichus equates Harpocrates with the Platonic Demiurge. In some interpretations, Apollo was linked with the Sun-god Shamash (for reference, see Nancy Thomson ‘Etruscan Myth, Sacred History, and Legend’) who in turn was apparently linked with Nergal, the lion-associated god. From the information above, Baphomet possibly corresponds to Harpocrates, the “Ram of Mendes”, who in turn possibly corresponds to Apollo, Christ and the Demiurge. The Demiurge is regarded as the creator of the world. Similarly, Christ is considered the agent of creation: “All things came into being through him” (John 1:3). In his article ‘Christ as Demiurge’, Edward Moore references old material (such as from Origen of Alexandria) suggesting that Christ corresponds to the Demiurge, including old material where “Jesus Christ is explicitly identified as the Demiurge, the active principle of creation”.



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 04:55 PM
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In his influential book ‘Im Kraftstrom des Satan-Seth’, esteemed German author and occultist Frater Eremore establishes intriguing connections between Osiris, IAO, Christ, and Baphomet, suggesting a nuanced interpretation that could potentially view them as distinct manifestations of a single entity. Quote: “IAO is a name that has been haunting the world for at least two-thousand years. It’s teeming with literature in which authors are quite sure what and who is behind this name. Some see in IAO a name of God comparable to the Tetragrammaton; YHVH, interpreted as Jehovah or Jahve, but never pronounced or spelled out by orthodox Jews. In common parlance, he was replaced by Adonia, Hebrew for “Lord”, derived from the Semitic Adon or the Phoenician-Syrian Adonis, who, from the point of view of religious studies, belongs to the family of the dying and resurrecting gods; Osiris, Balder, Tammuz, Attis, and Christ. The heretic Marcion and his followers used IAO as the formula for God during the second century AD. The Marcionite community later formed in the order of the Knights Templar, who worshiped IAO as a universal deity and possibly associated it with Baphomet. The Egyptian initiates into the mysteries of Serphis, in their eyes an incarnation of Osiris, gave themselves this title; Aleister Crowley saw in the IAO a fundamental formula of Osiris, a formula of all male deities who died a sacrificial death: Dionysus, Balder, Adonis, and Christ”. The association between the god IAO, perceived by the Templars as a universal deity possibly linked to Baphomet, and Christ finds further support in the very name IAO itself. The name IAO is believed to represent ‘I’ Alpha Omega, or the Greek Iota Alpha Omega, symbolizing the cosmic divine concept of ‘I am’. Interestingly, in the Book of Revelation, Christ declares: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End”. Within Gnostic traditions, IAO is associated with the liberation of the soul and the revelation of hidden knowledge, while Christ, as understood in Christian tradition, assumes the role of a saviour who offers deliverance and liberation through his death and resurrection.

Renowned occultist Tracy Twyman (who probably wrote the most detailed breakdown of Baphomet ever in her book ‘Temple Mystery Unveiled’) says that she thinks that the Gnostic god Abraxas is simply another expression of Baphomet.13 In Gnostic cosmology, Abraxas is depicted as a composite creature with the body of a man and the head of a rooster or a lion and symbolizes the fusion of opposites and the unity of divine attributes. Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung described Abraxas as the Great Hermaphrodite, incorporating all opposites in one being.14 Images bearing Abraxas were used in the 14th-century in seals of the Knights Templars. In the ancient Greek Magical Papyri texts, Abraxas corresponds to Osoronnophris, whose name represents Egyptian Wsir Wn-nfr, “Osiris the Perfect Being” (possibly being a reference to the union between Isis and Osiris into one being, Horus, the born-again Osiris, who’s described by some as hermaphrodite). There are quite a number of sources that connect Abraxas to Horus. For example, the Greek magical gem below shows Harpocrates (Horus) seated on a lotus flower and on the opposite side of the gem are inscribed the words “ABPA / CAZ” which translates to Abrasax. In her 1888 book ‘The Secret Doctrine’, Helena Blavatsky equates Abraxas with Horus, saying: “Just as the LAO of the mysteries was distinct from Jehovah, so was the later Iao and Abraxas of some Gnostic sects identical with the god of the Hebrews, who was the same as the Egyptian Horus”. Meanwhile, in his 1887 book ‘The Gnostics and Their Remains’, Charles King compares Abraxas to Horus, drawing from The Pistis Sophia as well as from Hindu myths. In his book ‘Jesus Christ: Son of God’, David Fideler makes a passing connection between Abraxas, Harpocrates, and Christ, saying: “In this regard, Aeon was variously identified with Apollo, Abraxas, Harpocrates, Mithras, Jesus, and so on”. More about the Mithra-Baphomet connection below. Martianus Capella (5th-century CE) identified Aeon with Kronus (Saturn) and the Suda identified Aeon with Osiris and Adonis.

The Baphomet sigil created by a French occultist in the 19th-century includes two names in Hebrew that surround the outer edges of each of the pentagrams. The front side has the name “Leviathan” and the other side has “Christ”. In Hebrew mythology, Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible, particularly in the book of Job (Job 41:1-34) and in Psalms (Psalm 74:14, Psalm 104:26). It’s described as a sea monster or a massive creature that embodies chaos and represents the forces of evil and destruction. In Jewish tradition, Leviathan is associated with the primordial sea and is seen as a symbol of God’s power and the ultimate defeat of evil. According to the Ophites, Leviathan is Ouroboros, separating the divine realm from humanity by enveloping or permeating the material world. Saturn’s prime symbol is the Ouroboros (see the book ‘The Ending of The Words: Magical Philosophy of Aleister Crowley’) which is a serpent that encircles creation, like Leviathan encircles the world. Comparative mythologist Georges Dumézil has shown that the name Kronos (Latin Saturn) derives from the same root as the Russian vqan, chran, meaning whale or leviathan, and indeed in Greek mythology, Kronos devoured his children, just as the whale is known to swallow its prey into its enormous mouth. Saturn is associated with the Demiurge by some, such as Origen of Alexandria, who ties Ialdabaoth to the planet Saturn. We see a connection between Saturn and Christ (as Horus) from the ancient planetary arrangement of the Egyptian deities. In their view, most of the planets were themselves ruled by other gods of the pantheon. Their arrangement was: Saturn-Horus; Mars-Re; Mercury-Seth; Venus-Osiris.1 There are some correlations and divergences between Christ and Saturn. One such correlation is the fact that in ancient times the Romans celebrated Saturn with a festival called Saturnalia in late December which is what we still do today, but the celebration of Christ has now taken the place of Saturn.



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 04:55 PM
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In his book ‘The Blue Equinox’, Crowley describes Baphomet as follows: “And I believe in The Serpent and The Lion, Mystery of Mystery, in his name Baphomet”. I have various interpretations about what Crowley meant when describing Baphomet as “The Serpent and The Lion”. One interpretation is that Baphomet is dualistic and is composed of two opposing parts, one being The Serpent and the other The Lion. The serpent has long been recognized as a symbol of the goddess. In his article ‘The Curse of the Serpent’, Andrew Cross tells us: “The association of the mother goddess with the serpent goes back to at least the Chalcolithic period [5th millennium BC] at Tepe Gawra”. In addition to its connections with the goddess, the serpent has also long been associated with wisdom and knowledge. This association is famously depicted in the story of the Garden of Eden, where a serpent tempts Eve with the forbidden fruit of knowledge. In certain Gnostic circles, Sophia is equated with the serpent in the Garden of Eden. According to some Gnostic myths, Sophia is an emanation from the divine realm who becomes involved in the material world and plays a pivotal role in humanity’s spiritual awakening. In these interpretations, the serpent in the Garden of Eden is seen as a representation of Sophia or her lower aspect. The serpent is not viewed as an evil entity, but as a bringer of knowledge and wisdom, challenging the limitations imposed by the false god of the material world. Sophia also has another connection with Baphomet. When the Hebrew letters spelling Baphomet are run through the ATBASH cipher it generates “Sophia”, meaning wisdom. Sophia is considered by some to be interchangeable with (many goddesses including) Isis and Inanna. In ancient representations of Inanna, she’s shown subduing a lion, which could represent The Serpent overcoming The Lion. In her book ‘Temple Mystery Unveiled’, Tracy Twyman offers another explanation for Crowley’s “Lion and Serpent” comment, saying that Baphomet corresponds to the lion-headed serpent Demiurge Ialdabaoth.

Some linguists have connected the root syllable “met” in “Baphomet” to the name of the god Mithra, worshipped by some Gnostics as an incarnation of divine wisdom. This connection is supported by Crowley whose etymological interpretation of Baphomet’s name came out to be “Father Mithras”. Mithraism has been subject to various interpretations and some have suggested that the story of Christ was based on the earlier story of Mithra. Both the births of Mithra and Christ are associated with divine intervention or a supernatural conception, both were born on December 25th, both were regarded as Sun-gods and had 12 companions, both were associated with resurrection, and both were regarded as saviour figures and mediators between humanity and the divine. In his scholarly article ‘The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World’, David Ulansey says: “Christ is not merely like Mithra, he is Mithra”. Mithra also has androgenous qualities like Baphomet and is sometimes described as a hermaphrodite. For example, in his 1856 book ‘The Obstetric Memoirs and Contributions’, James Young Simpson says: “[German theologian August Tholuck said that] Mitra (Mithras of the ancient Persians) was hermaphrodite”. Mithra was equated with the Demiurge by some (see the article ‘Mithras Demiourgos’, by Diego Romagnoli). The actual identity of Baphomet, whether it’s Mithra, Harpocrates, or Abraxas, remains shrouded in speculation, yet it’s intriguing to note the connection between those deities and Christ. Despite its relatively ancient origins dating back to the 14th-century, the identity of Baphomet continues to be enigmatic. When considering the mystery of Baphomet’s identity, one might ponder the intriguing hypothesis proposed by Abraxas Aletheia in his book ‘Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, suggesting that Baphomet could symbolize an esoteric Jesus Christ — who historian Leah De Vun describes as the “ultimate hermaphrodite” based on a 15th-century text.

References:

1 Baphomet: The Temple Mystery Unveiled (by Tracy Twyman)

2 Reallexikon der Agpyptischen Religionsgeschichte (by Hans Bonnet)

3 Leah DeVun, The Jesus Hermaphrodite: Science and Sex Difference in Premodern Europe, Journal of the History of Ideas (2008)

8 The Lotus and the Boat: Plutarch and Iamblichus on Egyptian
Symbols (by Mikolaj Domaradzki)

9 The Name of Satan (by De Gruyter)

10 Wikipedia article: Leviathan

13 YouTube video: The True Origins and Identity of Baphomet

14 Smash the World’s Shell — The Gnostic Roots of the Dark Souls Trilogy

18 The Secret Teachings of Mary Magdalene: Including the Lost Verses of The Gospel of Mary, Revealed and Published for the First Time
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posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 06:01 PM
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Wow, that’s great, I really like how you argued for baphomot being Jesus, how you explained and reasoned it out but
Maybe you should argue explain and reason that baphomot isn’t Jesus and see where that gets you
Just that there are some very large holes in your reasoning and I can only think you deliberately overlooked them



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 07:53 PM
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As far as I'm concerned Baphomet is a Medieval and Modern symbol for Balance.

In essence:

is a symbol not different from:


Means the same thing. Baphomet just looks more gross.

Perhaps there may be some benefit to looking at balance that way considering the often gross and ugly things that happen in life, as compared to a nice aesthetic ideal.

It is written that Jesus said something to effect of resurrected people would not be marrying, perhaps sexless rather than androgenous. Sort of a big difference there.



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: Nathan-D
Baphomet is a symbol that has generated intrigue and controversy throughout history. It’s associated with occultism, mystery traditions, and the Knights Templar. While its origins and meanings are subject to interpretation, some individuals have proposed intriguing parallels between Baphomet and Christ. A notable parallel lie in their association with duality. Baphomet’s depicted as androgynous in nature and represents the equilibration of opposites and the integration of masculine and feminine energies. Christ is likewise depicted (especially in paintings) as androgenous and in ancient text is sometimes described as a merging of the male and the female. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes Christ and Mary as originally being a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite; describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders.1 Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet. Intriguingly, some propose that the name “Jesus Christ” could represent the merging of two distinct entities or names into one. This idea is bolstered by the identification of “Jesus” as an ancient name for Isis, referred to as “Esus” in hieroglyphic inscriptions,2 and “Christ” as a name historically associated with Osiris (explored in ‘The Horus-Jesus Connection’ book). Within this framework, Isis and Osiris serve as possible precursors for the Biblical figures Mary and Christ.

This union or merging of Mary and Christ into a hermaphrodite like Baphomet represent twin souls becoming one and the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. The Philosopher’s Stone represents the alchemical process of inner transformation, leading to the ultimate goal of Divine Union. Divine Union refers to a spiritual state of unity and connection with the divine or higher consciousness. In essence, it refers to the coming together of twin souls, similar to how Christ merges with Mary or how Osiris merges with Isis. According to Manly Palmer Hall, in his book ‘Initiates of the Flame’, the “marriage of the Sun and Moon” represents the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. For the ancient Egyptians, the Moon represented Isis and the Sun represented Osiris and their union created Horus who was the fusion of both his parents and a divine hermaphrodite. In his book ‘Gods Wear Spandex’, Chris Knowles says: “The Chemical Wedding referred to the work of the alchemists, who sought to marry the masculine and feminine properties of creation and produce the Royal Hermaphrodite, which some historians have linked to Harpocrates (Younger Horus)”. In the ancient mysteries, the ultimate aim of the philosophers was not to transform lead chemically into gold, but transform man and woman into the divine hermaphrodite. This is ultimately what Baphomet represents. It represents the idea that true spiritual enlightenment and wholeness come from embracing and integrating both the masculine and feminine aspects of creation. This union of opposites is seen as a path to spiritual balance and ultimate transcendence. This integration of the male and female is also represented by Rebis, which is a 17th-century figure used to symbolize the Magnum Opus or Great Work.

The connections between Christ and Baphomet are not widely recognized or agreed upon, but esoteric interpretations have been proposed. For example, in his book ‘Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, Abraxas Aletheia argues that Baphomet is an esoteric symbol of Christ: “Contrary to popular belief, Baphomet is an image of an esoteric Jesus Christ created from a composite of alchemical, Kabbalistic and Christian symbols”. One such connection symbolically between Baphomet and Christ can be found in Baphomet’s caducous which matches the Christogram which is a monogram or combination of letters that forms an abbreviation for Christ’s name. One of Baphomet’s most recognizable symbols is the pentagram emblazoned on its forehead. The pentagram is commonly associated with Christ. In Christian tradition, the pentagram is seen as a symbolic connection to the five wounds of Christ. In certain esoteric traditions, the pentagram has been linked to the planet Venus, called the Morning Star or the Evening Star, depending on its appearance in the sky. This is of relevance, because Christ describes himself as the bright Morning Star in the Book of Revelation (22:16). One of the earliest connections between Baphomet and Christ can be found in the mythology surrounding the Knights Templar, a medieval Christian military order. Some have suggested that the Baphomet head that the Knights Templars venerated was the head of Christ. In her book ‘The Templars: The Secret History Revealed’, Barbara Frale says: “The last point raised in the indictment against the Templars concerned the secret veneration of an idol in the shape of a bearded head. There is clear evidence of the existence of image of Christ in the religious life of the order, as well as a mysterious cult devoted to the Sacred Blood”. Frale’s essentially suggesting that the Baphomet head was that of Christ. This same idea was the subject of the book ‘The Head of God: The Lost Treasure of the Templars’, by Keith Laidler.

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Simple Answer , No . Trying to Confuse Good and Evil is a Fools Errand to the Spiritually Uninformed .
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posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 08:19 PM
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Nope.



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: Nathan-D

No, Jesus and this thing are not the same. Similarities only exist because Satan tries to copy everything God does.



posted on Sep, 3 2023 @ 11:42 PM
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You're giving me 600 Club flashbacks.

But a couple things off hand.

The baphomet sigil:



Was created by Anton LaVey and The Church of Satan. Choosing Leviathan was an aesthetic choice. A Hebrew word synonymous with Satan with the correct number of symbols.

The goat was based on the sabbatic goat o' Levi's Baphomet.

Hilarious Off-Topic fact: Originally, The Satanic Bible was submitted with only the first two parts, and part of the third. The publisher (Avon) wouldn't publish such a short book so he added the magic parts and all the enochian crap as filler. So the story goes.

And a big one that's missed with Baphomet is a Transliteration/corruption trick that goes like this:

Muhammed -> Mahomet -> Baphomet -> Satan

Not really agreed on, but it's been thrown out there.
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posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 02:30 AM
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You know there is a sin that is to death. Blasphemy of the Holy spirit.

Merging Christ with the demonic is blasphemy of the Holy spirit, you're attributing things that Christ is and does, to things that demons do.

Legion (a demon infestation of over 2,000) begged Jesus not to send them all to the abys. Instead choosing to go into pigs and return to the sea (the spiritual home of demons, this is a whole other topic).



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 03:04 AM
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originally posted by: Joneselius
You know there is a sin that is to death. Blasphemy of the Holy spirit.

Merging Christ with the demonic is blasphemy of the Holy spirit, you're attributing things that Christ is and does, to things that demons do.

Legion (a demon infestation of over 2,000) begged Jesus not to send them all to the abys. Instead choosing to go into pigs and return to the sea (the spiritual home of demons, this is a whole other topic).


Naw. Not since the great upheaval. Demonic spiritual home is beneath the sea.

Poseidon, Neptune, Njǫrd, Yamm, Nu, Oannes, Enki, Varuna, Watatsumi, Viracocha, ku'ku'lkan, and Chalchiuhtlicue already resided in the water and ruled through a united council. Some of them decided who got to be mermaids, which crabs and seagulls could talk, and kept overall peace.

When demons were cast into the sea the council disapproved. A war was waged. The United gods banished them to beneath the sea to fester as unholy madness. Some of it escaped back into the world, and that merged with the left over volcano thawed alien demons already infesting people.

That's not a trolling comment. Intended as commentary, No disrespect intended.
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posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 03:22 AM
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I don't think the Goathead is representative of Christ, as he was the Lamb of God, not the Goat.

I do agree about the merging of masculine and feminine principles as a balance of energies.

For the more studied, any idea why Satan and the Goat were intertwined?

Was it something to do with the saytrs and Pan mythos?



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 06:37 AM
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Jesus was naked upon the cross and there is no mention of him having female breasts from eye witnesses. I mean really that would have been a talking point. Could Jesus have been intersex?



Lately, in a few circles, I have pondered the question with which I began this post, “Was Jesus Intersex?” I have been surprised by the confidence, and the vehemence, with which people say “No!” I think sometimes they say “No” because they know very little about intersexuality. Other times, I think it is simply very important to them that Jesus was a male both phenotypically and genotypically.

Honestly, I don’t understand why they are so vehement. I can’t think of any way it matters doctrinally. The church is committed to the saying unequivocally that Jesus was fully human. I don’t know anywhere in the tradition where the protein strands of his cell structure are the basis for a confessional position of some kind.

All of this leads me to believe that perhaps offering a more fluid, intersex Jesus offends some sensibilities because people like to put Jesus into safe categories. Perhaps they would much prefer that Jesus was a traditional, masculine, heterosexual, domestic contributor to society.

It’s quite a bother that Jesus wasn’t. Instead, Jesus was a-traditonal, strangely open in the way he related to men and women, single, unemployed and homeless.




We should also be reminded that Jesus himself taught about intersex people. In Matthew 19:12, he teaches about “eunuchs” who have been so since birth. This is to say, as much as some Christians like to emphasize Old Testament passages that see gender as binary, Jesus himself taught about and was aware of a greater level of gender fluidity.

This Jesus, rather than the rigid Jesus of binaries and dominance and control, is the Jesus I think it is worth contemplating whenever the topic of minority communities come up. One could only wish that more people who get their shorts in a knot over gender identity would first teach themselves a bit more about the gendered experience of intersex people, and not reify their own personal experience as the only or pure one.

This same Jesus who was aware of and sensitive to the existence of intersex people, deeply sympathetic to them, had a heart for the vulnerable. The very next thing he does in that gospel is welcome children and bless them. The disciples don’t get it, and immediately try to keep children from being brought forward, but Jesus sternly rebukes them, and says, “It is to such as these that the kingdom of heaven belongs.”


www.patheos.com...

As for Basphomet, it has always been speculated as to being female and male with fever dreams mixed in from the mediaeval Catholic church.



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 08:31 AM
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posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: Nathan-D
I can only imagine with the level of scholarship required to put this well researched piece together… you realize essential context is undoubtedly missing for 99.99% of the world. I have come to believe it does more damage than good, too broach these topics in an open forum, but I do appreciate a few new avenues of study afforded through your OP. Impressive.



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Nathan-D

Jesus was naked upon the cross and there is no mention of him having female breasts from eye witnesses. I mean really that would have been a talking point. Could Jesus have been intersex?



Lately, in a few circles, I have pondered the question with which I began this post, “Was Jesus Intersex?” I have been surprised by the confidence, and the vehemence, with which people say “No!” I think sometimes they say “No” because they know very little about intersexuality. Other times, I think it is simply very important to them that Jesus was a male both phenotypically and genotypically.

Honestly, I don’t understand why they are so vehement. I can’t think of any way it matters doctrinally. The church is committed to the saying unequivocally that Jesus was fully human. I don’t know anywhere in the tradition where the protein strands of his cell structure are the basis for a confessional position of some kind.

All of this leads me to believe that perhaps offering a more fluid, intersex Jesus offends some sensibilities because people like to put Jesus into safe categories. Perhaps they would much prefer that Jesus was a traditional, masculine, heterosexual, domestic contributor to society.

It’s quite a bother that Jesus wasn’t. Instead, Jesus was a-traditonal, strangely open in the way he related to men and women, single, unemployed and homeless.




We should also be reminded that Jesus himself taught about intersex people. In Matthew 19:12, he teaches about “eunuchs” who have been so since birth. This is to say, as much as some Christians like to emphasize Old Testament passages that see gender as binary, Jesus himself taught about and was aware of a greater level of gender fluidity.

This Jesus, rather than the rigid Jesus of binaries and dominance and control, is the Jesus I think it is worth contemplating whenever the topic of minority communities come up. One could only wish that more people who get their shorts in a knot over gender identity would first teach themselves a bit more about the gendered experience of intersex people, and not reify their own personal experience as the only or pure one.

This same Jesus who was aware of and sensitive to the existence of intersex people, deeply sympathetic to them, had a heart for the vulnerable. The very next thing he does in that gospel is welcome children and bless them. The disciples don’t get it, and immediately try to keep children from being brought forward, but Jesus sternly rebukes them, and says, “It is to such as these that the kingdom of heaven belongs.”


www.patheos.com...

As for Basphomet, it has always been speculated as to being female and male with fever dreams mixed in from the mediaeval Catholic church.

It's also a possibility that the Jesus depicted hanging on the cross is a really, really glorified version and the real Jesus was quite chubby with manboobs but no one wanted to say it out loud as to embarrass him.

Just saying, it's a theory.



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Nathan-D

Jesus was naked upon the cross and there is no mention of him having female breasts from eye witnesses. I mean really that would have been a talking point. Could Jesus have been intersex?



Lately, in a few circles, I have pondered the question with which I began this post, “Was Jesus Intersex?” I have been surprised by the confidence, and the vehemence, with which people say “No!” I think sometimes they say “No” because they know very little about intersexuality. Other times, I think it is simply very important to them that Jesus was a male both phenotypically and genotypically.

Honestly, I don’t understand why they are so vehement. I can’t think of any way it matters doctrinally. The church is committed to the saying unequivocally that Jesus was fully human. I don’t know anywhere in the tradition where the protein strands of his cell structure are the basis for a confessional position of some kind.

All of this leads me to believe that perhaps offering a more fluid, intersex Jesus offends some sensibilities because people like to put Jesus into safe categories. Perhaps they would much prefer that Jesus was a traditional, masculine, heterosexual, domestic contributor to society.

It’s quite a bother that Jesus wasn’t. Instead, Jesus was a-traditonal, strangely open in the way he related to men and women, single, unemployed and homeless.




We should also be reminded that Jesus himself taught about intersex people. In Matthew 19:12, he teaches about “eunuchs” who have been so since birth. This is to say, as much as some Christians like to emphasize Old Testament passages that see gender as binary, Jesus himself taught about and was aware of a greater level of gender fluidity.

This Jesus, rather than the rigid Jesus of binaries and dominance and control, is the Jesus I think it is worth contemplating whenever the topic of minority communities come up. One could only wish that more people who get their shorts in a knot over gender identity would first teach themselves a bit more about the gendered experience of intersex people, and not reify their own personal experience as the only or pure one.

This same Jesus who was aware of and sensitive to the existence of intersex people, deeply sympathetic to them, had a heart for the vulnerable. The very next thing he does in that gospel is welcome children and bless them. The disciples don’t get it, and immediately try to keep children from being brought forward, but Jesus sternly rebukes them, and says, “It is to such as these that the kingdom of heaven belongs.”


www.patheos.com...

As for Basphomet, it has always been speculated as to being female and male with fever dreams mixed in from the mediaeval Catholic church.


It's also a possibility that the Jesus depicted hanging on the cross is a really, really glorified version and the real Jesus was quite chubby with manboobs but no one wanted to say it out loud as to embarrass him.

Just saying, it's a theory.


Unlikely theory.



We know Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry (Luke 3:23), but the Bible tells us virtually nothing about what he looked like―except that he didn’t stand out in any particular way. When Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion (Matthew 26:47-56) Judas Iscariot had to point Jesus out to his soldiers among the disciples―presumably because they all appeared similar to one another.




For many scholars, Revelation 1:14-15 offers a clue that Jesus's skin was a darker hue and that his hair was woolly in texture. The hairs of his head, it says, "were white as white wool, white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace.”




Judean men of the time period were on average about 1.65 metres or 5 feet 5 inches in height. Scholars have also suggested that it is likely Jesus had short hair and a beard, in accordance with Jewish practices of the time and the appearance of philosophers.




The weight of Jesus is estimated to be anywhere between 100-130 pounds. He is estimated to have had a lean, strong body physique with no fat. He was strong enough to walk for 100 miles from Galilee to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover, according to John 10:22.


www.history.com...

christianfaithguide.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: Nathan-D
Baphomet is a symbol that has generated intrigue and controversy throughout history. It’s associated with occultism, mystery traditions, and the Knights Templar. While its origins and meanings are subject to interpretation, some individuals have proposed intriguing parallels between Baphomet and Christ. A notable parallel lie in their association with duality. Baphomet’s depicted as androgynous in nature and represents the equilibration of opposites and the integration of masculine and feminine energies. Christ is likewise depicted (especially in paintings) as androgenous and in ancient text is sometimes described as a merging of the male and the female. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes Christ and Mary as originally being a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite; describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders.1 Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet. Intriguingly, some propose that the name “Jesus Christ” could represent the merging of two distinct entities or names into one. This idea is bolstered by the identification of “Jesus” as an ancient name for Isis, referred to as “Esus” in hieroglyphic inscriptions,2 and “Christ” as a name historically associated with Osiris (explored in ‘The Horus-Jesus Connection’ book). Within this framework, Isis and Osiris serve as possible precursors for the Biblical figures Mary and Christ.

This union or merging of Mary and Christ into a hermaphrodite like Baphomet represent twin souls becoming one and the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. The Philosopher’s Stone represents the alchemical process of inner transformation, leading to the ultimate goal of Divine Union. Divine Union refers to a spiritual state of unity and connection with the divine or higher consciousness. In essence, it refers to the coming together of twin souls, similar to how Christ merges with Mary or how Osiris merges with Isis. According to Manly Palmer Hall, in his book ‘Initiates of the Flame’, the “marriage of the Sun and Moon” represents the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. For the ancient Egyptians, the Moon represented Isis and the Sun represented Osiris and their union created Horus who was the fusion of both his parents and a divine hermaphrodite. In his book ‘Gods Wear Spandex’, Chris Knowles says: “The Chemical Wedding referred to the work of the alchemists, who sought to marry the masculine and feminine properties of creation and produce the Royal Hermaphrodite, which some historians have linked to Harpocrates (Younger Horus)”. In the ancient mysteries, the ultimate aim of the philosophers was not to transform lead chemically into gold, but transform man and woman into the divine hermaphrodite. This is ultimately what Baphomet represents. It represents the idea that true spiritual enlightenment and wholeness come from embracing and integrating both the masculine and feminine aspects of creation. This union of opposites is seen as a path to spiritual balance and ultimate transcendence. This integration of the male and female is also represented by Rebis, which is a 17th-century figure used to symbolize the Magnum Opus or Great Work.

The connections between Christ and Baphomet are not widely recognized or agreed upon, but esoteric interpretations have been proposed. For example, in his book ‘Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, Abraxas Aletheia argues that Baphomet is an esoteric symbol of Christ: “Contrary to popular belief, Baphomet is an image of an esoteric Jesus Christ created from a composite of alchemical, Kabbalistic and Christian symbols”. One such connection symbolically between Baphomet and Christ can be found in Baphomet’s caducous which matches the Christogram which is a monogram or combination of letters that forms an abbreviation for Christ’s name. One of Baphomet’s most recognizable symbols is the pentagram emblazoned on its forehead. The pentagram is commonly associated with Christ. In Christian tradition, the pentagram is seen as a symbolic connection to the five wounds of Christ. In certain esoteric traditions, the pentagram has been linked to the planet Venus, called the Morning Star or the Evening Star, depending on its appearance in the sky. This is of relevance, because Christ describes himself as the bright Morning Star in the Book of Revelation (22:16). One of the earliest connections between Baphomet and Christ can be found in the mythology surrounding the Knights Templar, a medieval Christian military order. Some have suggested that the Baphomet head that the Knights Templars venerated was the head of Christ. In her book ‘The Templars: The Secret History Revealed’, Barbara Frale says: “The last point raised in the indictment against the Templars concerned the secret veneration of an idol in the shape of a bearded head. There is clear evidence of the existence of image of Christ in the religious life of the order, as well as a mysterious cult devoted to the Sacred Blood”. Frale’s essentially suggesting that the Baphomet head was that of Christ. This same idea was the subject of the book ‘The Head of God: The Lost Treasure of the Templars’, by Keith Laidler.

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posted on Sep, 4 2023 @ 07:05 PM
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Yea, pretty heavy stuff. Was waiting for the response gallery first. A lot touched on some truths. Obviously we all humans are equipped with both masculine and feminine traits/characteristics....regardless our sex/gender. But for some reason these days our collective has become hyper-sensitive over the ego-oriented "identity" regarding the outer manifestation of such. A) who cares?
B) We all have been both throughout many past life "physical" incarnations. C) It's not as if your a female, you have to be Marilyn Monroe. And if your a male, you have to be John Wayne. We all understand those are epitomies...extremes... "characterizations of an idea". D) Again, who cares? I'm pretty sure we've all had quite enough of being mentally and emotionally attached and yanked hither and fro over "ideas" we transcended a long time ago.

Which brings me to the point you amazingly and thoroughly touched on. (Yet now I can't find the words). Except to say....

I've always been amazed at how every good-God-gold ancient symbol throughout time has been 'twisted' into an idea of it's opposite. Ex: the horns of a bull representing fertility power protection.... now representing the horns of the devil. The trident of purity, now the devils pitchfork. The whirling rainbow symbol found historically throughout many different cultures, now is the nazi symbol. Uhg... The list goes on.
I'm getting tired. You get the idea. The question I ask is:

For what purpose?

Me kinda wonder that it's the.... long game, thoroughly orchestrated yet fundamentally childish attempt to confuse and bind us a little bit longer in duality.

Again I ask... But for what purpose?

I think at this point, even "they" are beginning to wonder that it might just be better to become star-dust.




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