The World is Crazy and it's happened before it seems

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Sorry about that.

The Idea of an ancient nuclear war in The Bhagavad-Gita (Mahabharata) was popularized by the first season of Ancient Aliens. Sort of like if someone says the Nazca lines are runways or something alien. They don't even have to mention Von Daniken, and It'll still be his fault.

It was the bad reference to the Mahabharata. It used the exact same misquote the history channel did.

A more correct translation of the quote in question:

Source: www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org...

divi—in the sky; sūrya—suns; sahasrasya—thousand; bhavet—were; yugapat—simultaneously; utthitā—rising; yadi—if; bhāḥ—splendor; sadṛiśhī—like; sā—that; syāt—would be; bhāsaḥ—splendor; tasya—of them; mahā-ātmanaḥ—the great personality

divi surya-sahasrasya bhaved yugapad utthita
yadi bhah sadrishi sa syad bhasas tasya mahatmanah

Translation:

BG 11.12: If a thousand suns were to blaze forth together in the sky, they would not match the splendor of that great form.

Commentary:

Sanjay now describes the effulgence of the universal form. To give an idea of its dazzling radiance, he compares it to thousands of suns blazing simultaneously in the midday sky. Actually, God’s effulgence is unlimited; it cannot be quantified in terms of the effulgence of the sun. However, narrators often describe the unknown by extrapolating from the known. The simile of a thousand suns expressed Sanjay’s perception that the splendor of the cosmic form had no parallels.

It's not even about an explosion. The very next verse provides context.

tatra—there; eka-stham—established in one place; jagat—the universe; kṛitsnam—entire; pravibhaktam—divided; anekadhā—many; apaśhyat—could see; deva-devasya—of the God of gods; śharīre—in the body; pāṇḍavaḥ—Arjun; tadā—at that time

tatraika-stham jagat kritsnam pravibhaktam anekadha
apashyad deva-devasya sharire pandavas tada

Translation:

BG 11.13: There Arjun could see the totality of the entire universe established in one place, in that body of the God of gods.

Commentary:

After describing wondrous spectacles in the cosmic form, Sanjay states that it encompassed the entire universe. Even more amazingly, Arjun saw the totality of existence in the locality of Shree Krishna’s body. He beheld the entire creation of infinite universes, with their manifold divisions of galaxies and planetary systems in a mere fraction of the body of the Supreme Lord.

Sanjay and Arjun were "chosen" to behold the appearance of God.

The nuclear nonsense is a storyline pimped by ancient aliens. A deliberate mistranslation to mentally masturbate over unearthed pottery mistaken as vitrification. Add to it absolutely conception of radioactive isotope decay and it's fallacy upon fallacy.

Not personal, I am just a harsh critic of changing religious text to sell new age Sitchin crap. Including calling the description of the apparition of Krishna, an avatar of Brahmam, a nuclear explosion.

Any time I see the same wrong (Ancient Aliens associated) "1000 suns" quote, that comes out.

It be like if The Indians did a riff where the Star of Bethlehem is described like a UFO and the Wiseman were on a Close Encounters mission implanted by aliens. Aliens that wanted myrrh to power their spaceship.

My apologies again.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Your mad scientist skills aside, build your own chip!

Even the vehicles. Lets assume, Mad Max type postapocalyptic scenario. Gas? Lubricants? Welding gasses?

I mean we can go all day stretching out every single source piece of material needed just to have some semblance of a life we knew before.

Our reliance on technology will be the downfall for most of us in any scenario where the supply chains and grid is down. Then extrapolate over generations.


One thing eludes me however.

Where are all the damn tools!??!

Not gas, Ammonia+hydrogen I have my own generator lol

and in diesels if you do it right you can actually used charcoal powder or you can go the long route and refine vegetable oils with methanol. I keep some truck electronics/alternator/battery/etc in a Faraday cage. It should protect against a solar flare/CME, but I am not so sure about current induction during a micro-nova.

Best to decouple from tech anyway. If you can do things without it, you're better off than 90% of the population and you have a much higher survival rate and community value should things go sideways. Oh, and don't forget, hard copy books of edible plants/mushrooms/etc. lol

Cheers - Dave

Wood gasifier is also another option:

permies.com...

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Dysgenic reproduction certainly puts some teeth behind the arguments for the eugenics movement. Our success as a species becomes our downfall as genetic selection ceases to guide reproduction. Might explain why I'm such a mess anyway.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yeah, it's kinda nasty in this case when all the pieces fit together and you can see the complete picture. I have buddy in Zambia that used to work in my assembly lab when I worked for the military and CI overseas. He used to say, "The truth may hurt, but it can never be a lie." Pretty common statement I think,

Aye; Children are the ones who burst into tears and hide under beds. Adults are the ones who do their best to make things better.

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I was thinking today about what has gotten us here according to the spiteful mutant scenario. That be genetics and the removal of natural selection from the population..

It is a difficult subject and even dangerous to think aloud in terms of eugenics.

I have heard it said that it took three generations for the PTB to brainwash the western influenced population, to turn the population into "zombies". The key here I think is after three generations the old folk who remember the old days will be gone. By the fourth generation there will be no one left who remembers the time before the SHTF. That is the point the new civilisation will be on it's own.

In the SHTF scenario, I will contend we have three generations to turn the situation around.

Most prepper talk I have read concerns surviving the first six months or so. The "zombies" will probably not survive that long. So what then?

One will have to build communities. 200 years ago everyone lived without electricity and without cars and without computers. Houses had rainwater tanks, wood fired stoves and people survived.

Post SHTF, the mortality rate of children will skyrocket with only sulfur drugs and herbal medicine. Natural selection will be back in the game.

In Permaculture it is said; use what is in abundance. In abundance will be orphans.

When mortality rates are above 50 per cent, you will need them.

Eugenics won't be a consideration simply because the survivors are already natuirally selected. No picking and choosing according to eye colour, what you have to work with will be it.

I think the key to long term survival will be in the education of the child.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

In the story of Gilgamesh its not the same as Noah, he simply meets someone who lived through a flood and told Gilgamesh how the gods were jerks and flooded his homeland but felt bad after and gave him immortal life.

Some food for thought tho, ancient Egypt and Japan don't have cataclysmic flood myths, instead they're embraced as times of growth and prosperity. The ancient Egyptians loved the flooding seasons. And that's just it, people settled along rivers and water fronts, flooding happens.

originally posted by: UtIntusSicForis
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

"All of this has happened before. And all of this will happen again."

Ecclesiastes Chapter 3
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org...

And the song.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Maybe try looking at 24k cycle. 12k is an increment of that. The big year or a season of man is 24k years. Just like a clock has 24 hours. This is the season of man. The destiny of man foretold in the stars. It is a processional year. The time is takes to pass through all the zodiac signs.. Its number sets and mythology are hidden in our old mythological stories and architecture the world over.

The vedics you mention and the yuga cycles can be calibrated against the same 24k system and some interpretations suggest this is the case.

The bible demonstrates the same knowledge (Jesus / pisces the fish.. old testamanet The Ram / Aries or futher back the story of the golden bull / taurus. Al in zodiacal order.

and something along these lines.. they said to Jesus when is the end of the age. (pisces)...and he says follow me to the city till you see the man bearing water(Aquarius) and here we are.

There is a reason this clock was important to our ancestors. The bells just turned 12.00 Just like the Mayans said..

Good thread..ty

originally posted by: GenerationGap

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Your mad scientist skills aside, build your own chip!

Even the vehicles. Lets assume, Mad Max type postapocalyptic scenario. Gas? Lubricants? Welding gasses?

I mean we can go all day stretching out every single source piece of material needed just to have some semblance of a life we knew before.

Our reliance on technology will be the downfall for most of us in any scenario where the supply chains and grid is down. Then extrapolate over generations.


One thing eludes me however.

Where are all the damn tools!??!

Not gas, Ammonia+hydrogen I have my own generator lol

and in diesels if you do it right you can actually used charcoal powder or you can go the long route and refine vegetable oils with methanol. I keep some truck electronics/alternator/battery/etc in a Faraday cage. It should protect against a solar flare/CME, but I am not so sure about current induction during a micro-nova.

Best to decouple from tech anyway. If you can do things without it, you're better off than 90% of the population and you have a much higher survival rate and community value should things go sideways. Oh, and don't forget, hard copy books of edible plants/mushrooms/etc. lol

Cheers - Dave

Wood gasifier is also another option:

permies.com...

Iogen out of Ottawa had an enzyme to convert cellulose directly to sugars. Imagine what you could do with dead grass, leaves, wood and a web based still system of enzyme followed by a super yeast. Back in 2008, I designed a system like that using rollers and stainless steel webbing in two chambers (to control retention/conversion times) inside a shipping container with a 3 stage still to produce ethanol on-the-fly. So much fun tech out there ;-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: strongfp

I always wondered about Egypt and Japan regarding a flood. Perhaps Isis and Osiris along with Susanoo came along after a flood. A different point of view stemming from same effect.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yeah, it's kinda nasty in this case when all the pieces fit together and you can see the complete picture. I have buddy in Zambia that used to work in my assembly lab when I worked for the military and CI overseas. He used to say, "The truth may hurt, but it can never be a lie." Pretty common statement I think,

Aye; Children are the ones who burst into tears and hide under beds. Adults are the ones who do their best to make things better.

-----------------------

I was thinking today about what has gotten us here according to the spiteful mutant scenario. That be genetics and the removal of natural selection from the population..

It is a difficult subject and even dangerous to think aloud in terms of eugenics.

I have heard it said that it took three generations for the PTB to brainwash the western influenced population, to turn the population into "zombies". The key here I think is after three generations the old folk who remember the old days will be gone. By the fourth generation there will be no one left who remembers the time before the SHTF. That is the point the new civilisation will be on it's own.

In the SHTF scenario, I will contend we have three generations to turn the situation around.

Most prepper talk I have read concerns surviving the first six months or so. The "zombies" will probably not survive that long. So what then?

One will have to build communities. 200 years ago everyone lived without electricity and without cars and without computers. Houses had rainwater tanks, wood fired stoves and people survived.

Post SHTF, the mortality rate of children will skyrocket with only sulfur drugs and herbal medicine. Natural selection will be back in the game.

In Permaculture it is said; use what is in abundance. In abundance will be orphans.

When mortality rates are above 50 per cent, you will need them.

Eugenics won't be a consideration simply because the survivors are already natuirally selected. No picking and choosing according to eye colour, what you have to work with will be it.

I think the key to long term survival will be in the education of the child.

I think it could be turned around in one generation, two at most. As far as six months lol, not a chance. 90% will be dead in the first month from starvation and/or violence even in a societal collapse. It only takes one day to clear out 95% of the stores and the there won't be any more trucks rolling to replenish shelves. Couple that with no electricity, yeah baby, especially in the winter. So, what would happen is a split into fiefdoms, psychopaths would rule and when all the stolen/acquired goods ran out, they would go rural. We have a location, a thousand acres of productive land where we can grow food, keep animals and generate hydroelectric energy. There is also lots of game in the area and two lakes with good fishing.

We started preparing in 2011 and it's a great location for a common collapse situation where the electrical grid is fried and quite defensible for holding off a small army. However, in a solar micro-nova with the crust shifting, we'd be a little less than 1,000' above sea level and that won't cut it. The big X Class flare will come first, when that happens I am heading to some high point in the middle Rocky Mountains with my truck, spare parts, RV, generators, hand and 12v gasoline pumps, etc. With any luck, when the dust settles, the location will be about 5 degrees north or south of the equator, depending on the direction of the shift, clockwise or counterclockwise. Might have to live up a mountain for a year until things die down, but better than trying to hold your breath under a mile or two of water ;-)

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

In the story of Gilgamesh its not the same as Noah, he simply meets someone who lived through a flood and told Gilgamesh how the gods were jerks and flooded his homeland but felt bad after and gave him immortal life.

Some food for thought tho, ancient Egypt and Japan don't have cataclysmic flood myths, instead they're embraced as times of growth and prosperity. The ancient Egyptians loved the flooding seasons. And that's just it, people settled along rivers and water fronts, flooding happens.

Yep, floods happen, however, mile high tsunamis don't happen often. Japan being in the ocean would have a high probability of being completely inundated with no one surviving, which would lead to some other oriental group populating the island at a later date, after the cycle ended. There is also a fair bit of evidence that the Sahara was quite lush 6-12 thousand years ago. Gilgamesh and Noah, I think they are the same story, it's just Abraham likely plagiarized the legends and then added some poetic license to the story to make it more unique and his own. He was from Ur in Babylon, so he knew the Sumerian histories ;-) Of course it might have been written by others based on Abraham's writing and altered to give it a flavour-of-the-day, so it could be applied for religious use. What is religion and history anyway other than secondary and tertiary control methodologies?

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Dysgenic reproduction certainly puts some teeth behind the arguments for the eugenics movement. Our success as a species becomes our downfall as genetic selection ceases to guide reproduction. Might explain why I'm such a mess anyway.

I think we're all a mess to some extent or another, so you're not alone lol.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

The interesting thing about the epic of Gilgamesh is that the earliest known versions are thought to not even have the flood myth in the original story. It was later added, the "11th tablet" dates back to 7th century BCE whereas the story dates to around 2100 BCE.

It's believed that the flood myth was added to make the point that the man who survived it was almost impossible, hence why he was granted eternal life.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Aye it is all about preparation. My small rural community is of the quiet consensus that we will simply work together as a community.

It is the kind of place where, when my kids were children, we would light the BBQ and stray kids would turn up with a raw steak and sausages on a plate. The look on their faces was; could you please cook this for me.

My interest in herbal medicine and organic gardening is my contribution. Given the right weather and I can have an acre of tobacco and a certain pain killer producing in four months.

Modern medicine with scripts for pills will become nothing nore than dispensing sheets of toilet paper. Useless.

That is my contribution.

If it is the Thomas Chan scenario, well I have a bottle of Glennfiddich scotch whiskey and a box of cigars to welcome that event from my favourite chair on my front veranda.

ETA: in addition to an orohanage I would teach the children both boys and girls, the Japanese martial arts as part of their compulsory education. Old Japan has a lot of knowledge on how to do things in the post industrial setting. No electricity or computers required.

I might add that the "spiteful zombie hordes" may be too lazy, unfit and helpless to walk the hundred miles to where I live. Working out how to get petrol out of fuel bowsers without a credit card would be too much for most of them. ; )

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Probably my favorite doom porn topic, but it has probably been closer to 13,000 years at this point, so we're overdue.

Not too much longer now.

The beresheet prophecy says 2025 or 2030 if I remember correctly.

Edit
Actually, looks like the rapture starts this year, and then there's 7 years before Satan comes to # stuff up?

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yeah, it's kinda nasty in this case when all the pieces fit together and you can see the complete picture. I have buddy in Zambia that used to work in my assembly lab when I worked for the military and CI overseas. He used to say, "The truth may hurt, but it can never be a lie." Pretty common statement I think,

Aye; Children are the ones who burst into tears and hide under beds. Adults are the ones who do their best to make things better.

-----------------------

I was thinking today about what has gotten us here according to the spiteful mutant scenario. That be genetics and the removal of natural selection from the population..

It is a difficult subject and even dangerous to think aloud in terms of eugenics.

I have heard it said that it took three generations for the PTB to brainwash the western influenced population, to turn the population into "zombies". The key here I think is after three generations the old folk who remember the old days will be gone. By the fourth generation there will be no one left who remembers the time before the SHTF. That is the point the new civilisation will be on it's own.

In the SHTF scenario, I will contend we have three generations to turn the situation around.

Most prepper talk I have read concerns surviving the first six months or so. The "zombies" will probably not survive that long. So what then?

One will have to build communities. 200 years ago everyone lived without electricity and without cars and without computers. Houses had rainwater tanks, wood fired stoves and people survived.

Post SHTF, the mortality rate of children will skyrocket with only sulfur drugs and herbal medicine. Natural selection will be back in the game.

In Permaculture it is said; use what is in abundance. In abundance will be orphans.

When mortality rates are above 50 per cent, you will need them.

Eugenics won't be a consideration simply because the survivors are already natuirally selected. No picking and choosing according to eye colour, what you have to work with will be it.

I think the key to long term survival will be in the education of the child.

I think it could be turned around in one generation, two at most. As far as six months lol, not a chance. 90% will be dead in the first month from starvation and/or violence even in a societal collapse. It only takes one day to clear out 95% of the stores and the there won't be any more trucks rolling to replenish shelves. Couple that with no electricity, yeah baby, especially in the winter. So, what would happen is a split into fiefdoms, psychopaths would rule and when all the stolen/acquired goods ran out, they would go rural. We have a location, a thousand acres of productive land where we can grow food, keep animals and generate hydroelectric energy. There is also lots of game in the area and two lakes with good fishing.

We started preparing in 2011 and it's a great location for a common collapse situation where the electrical grid is fried and quite defensible for holding off a small army. However, in a solar micro-nova with the crust shifting, we'd be a little less than 1,000' above sea level and that won't cut it. The big X Class flare will come first, when that happens I am heading to some high point in the middle Rocky Mountains with my truck, spare parts, RV, generators, hand and 12v gasoline pumps, etc. With any luck, when the dust settles, the location will be about 5 degrees north or south of the equator, depending on the direction of the shift, clockwise or counterclockwise. Might have to live up a mountain for a year until things die down, but better than trying to hold your breath under a mile or two of water ;-)

Cheers - Dave

Thats cute, you think mankind could survive that type of destruction every 12 k years. The human species would be extinct. The type of destruction described in Adam and Eve story would make the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs look like a picnic. Underground wouldn't be safe, your rocky mountains wouldnt either. Only safe space would be in orbit and maybe a submarine. Mile high worldwide tidal wave and 1000 mph winds and you think this happens every 12 k years and mankind somehow isnt extinct. lol haha thats about as foolish as being woke. Tell me why is the clown from suspicious observers building some ranch midwest, doesnt he know it wont stop the mile high tidal wave. Doom porn is for no lifers. I been visiting ATS since pre 9/11. Here during the y2k scare and Nancy Lieders failed planet X predictions, 2012 etc etc etc. Your type has been spouting this same bs on ATS since its inception over 20 years ago yet we are still here.

a reply to: purplemer

The big year or a season of man is 24k years.

According to NASA and almost every other scientific organization, pts closer to 26,000 years.

The cycle of axial precession spans about 25,771.5 years.

climate.nasa.gov...#:~:text=The%20cycle%20of%20axial%20precession,summer% 20in%20the%20Southern%20Hemisphere.

Which is roughly 2148 years spent in each zodiac.

Our ancestors also believe it was closer to 26,000 years. Where are you getting 24,000 from?

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Probably my favorite doom porn topic, but it has probably been closer to 13,000 years at this point, so we're overdue.

Not too much longer now.

The beresheet prophecy says 2025 or 2030 if I remember correctly.

Edit
Actually, looks like the rapture starts this year, and then there's 7 years before Satan comes to # stuff up?

Sounds better in Rocky Horror, "Not for very much longer, well secluded, I see all." LOL

If I had to place bets in a date pool, I would say March/April 2028 for the grid killshot and October 2033 for the micro-nova. Rapture, meh... If I remember right, there is no "Rapture" per say in the Bible. It seems to be made up after the fact mythology.

The seven years though, that's there and the Anti-Christ is already here is appears, according to "The Anti-Christ and a Cup of Tea." I've followed Tim Cohen's work since the 90's, he seems to be spot on when it comes to the prophecies and hints in the Bible. It's also interesting that Charles, the parasite formerly known as Prince, started the WEF with Klaus Schwab. And what did Diana really know that got her killed, what was she really trying to escape?

Things that make you go hmmmmm...?



Cheers - Dave

a reply to: gvilleuncfan

Yep, we're still here and a resilient lot too lol. They say that on the last pass, it's likely only about 15,000 people survived worldwide. You are right, no singular type of place is safe, but there will be reasonably survivable safe places. The foci of the rotation and the direction of rotation are very important. I was thinking 100w and 80e, but that's just a calculated "guess."

I was looking at Banff side of the Rockies, good peaks like Jasper, but also areas like northern Bolivia and eastern Ecuador, again depends on the direction of rotation. The other things that has to be considered in the slosh-back of the water, so lots of considerations. Caves might work in some areas, but not all, because any fissure that cracks the rocks surrounding the caves will either get lava or flood with water.

Unfortunately, we don't know what the low level disaster impact places will be, but the elitist parasites do. So watch where they go in the next few years. George (shrub) Bush purchased 100,000 acres in northern Paraguay.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

A question from the peanut gallery on the god vs satan thing.

With all the holy wars over the last 3,000 years which one is the bad guy?