Elon Musk to develop 'TruthGPT' as he warns about 'civilizational destruction' from AI

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No son im attacking a doom porn merchant that obviously does not know his arse from his elbow with regard to what constitutes strong AI.

Artifical intelligence is relatively still in its infancy.

And these weak and narrow AI programs are not sentient, self-aware, or have the ability to do much else other than it's programmed to do.

Can you define "woke" if you don't mind?

You might have better luck in that department.

Still doesn't seem that you know what you are talking about.

Let me repeat:

I know it's difficult for the woke brigade to understand the threats posed by AI. They have a good understanding as it seems of other issues such as men who become women and men who get pregnant. They are actually experts in these matters.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
You missed the rest of text by the way.

I didn't.

He understands well what Artificial Intelligence is and what it can do. Perhaps it is you and many others who dint understand what AI is and what it can do.

He calls it "TruthGPT".

If he knows what he is talking about then he knows that GPT means "generative pre-trained transformer", a type of large language model.

A language model is like a statistical analysis of texts, to find a relation between the positions of words inside groups of words and the relation of those groups of words in full sentences.

So, while these kind of AI applications appear to be intelligent, they are not, they just learned how to "talk" to people and give the same kind of answers people would give.

That's why they are easy to be biased, as the output of those systems is related to the input from which they learned.

For example, several years ago I installed, configured and trained an automatic translation system. I trained it with several generalist texts, but when I asked it to translate a text from a specific topic (archaeology), it either wasn't able to translate them or it chose the wrong words.

PS: AI, whatever the type, cannot do a thing if we do not allow it to control physical things. An AI chat bot (like ChatGPT) can only influence (weak minded) people.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So he's calling out his competition that is already ahead and has a functional product by introducing political ideologies because he wants to get in on the game. LoL

Sound like you are a big Musk fan that's watched far too many Terminator Matrix and Wargames movies. LoL

You probably really should learn the difference between fiction and reality.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So is that your piss poor attempt to define "woke"?

Again weak and narrow Ai is in no way sentient or self-aware hence not much of a danger to humanity any more than any other piece of computer code.

Might be best to try answering questions as opposed to repeating nonsense, just a thought.

a reply to: andy06shake

Can you define "woke" if you don't mind?

taking a stab at that one as a roman catholic going to school in the 70s and taught by bcp tankies woke is that combination of religion and ideology that can not accept any form of plurality or opposing view..

its why as an ex libdem voter I stand on a bridge filled with the kinds of people i used to debate against, from scots nats to irish republicans, unionists, labour, tories, remainers and leavers..

Its an eclectic mix of the politically homeless the ones who should be an easy win for either side both both have fallen to a combination of fringe ideology and religious intolerance.

standing on that bridge its easy to see both sides and reject both.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So he's calling out his competition that is already ahead and has a functional product by introducing political ideologies because he wants to get in on the game. LoL

Sound like you are a big Musk fan that's watched far too many Terminator Matrix and Wargames movies. LoL

You probably really should learn the difference between fiction and reality.

No you are confusing your arguments again. There is a difference to what AI can do at the moment and what will be able to do in the future. And those who know very little or nothing such as yourself cannot appreciate the real threat posed against humans.

You said that I should learn the difference between reality and fiction. Oh the irony!!

I am sure that what you said can easily be applied to those in the woke brigade who believe men can become women or that men can get pregnant.

Myself and Elon Musk don't hold these beliefs but we are aware of the dangers of artificial intelligenc.

a reply to: ArMaP

PS: AI, whatever the type, cannot do a thing if we do not allow it to control physical things. An AI chat bot (like ChatGPT) can only influence (weak minded) people.

they are very useful tools though in a very narrow way, and might even make up some productivity if used in the right way, in that way though they'll decimate the kind of white collar jobs that grown since the gfc. ie too much middle management bloat.. i looked at a couple of corps (process reengineering post gfc) and it was easy to see the middle management bloat, and its now easy to see the big techies cut the bloat back as ai is the tool to make cutting that bloat possible.

a reply to: nickyw

Cheers for having a crack at it.

As to my own political affiliations, I would be predominantly a lifelong Labour supporter that voted SNP once, and is now back to voting Labour, not that it matters much considering they are all a shower of fidlam ben out to line there own pockets.

standing on that bridge its easy to see both sides and reject both.

Sometimes it's best to be on the fence nickyw, that way one can dip their toe so to speak in the best of both worlds.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So is that your piss poor attempt to define "woke"?

Again weak and narrow Ai is in no way sentient or self-aware hence not much of a danger to humanity any more than any other piece of computer code.

Might be best to try answering questions as opposed to repeating nonsense, just a thought.

Woke it's simply the usual leftists and radical leftists who are detached from reality. I am sure they are unable to understand the dangers posed by AI. But they are perfectly fine with arguing men can get pregnant or that there are 72 genders.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nickyw

Cheers for having a crack at it.

As to my own political affiliations, I would be predominantly a lifelong Labour supporter that voted SNP once, and is now back to voting Labour, not that it matters much considering they are all a shower of fidlam ben out to line there own pockets.

standing on that bridge its easy to see both sides and reject both.

Sometimes it's best to be on the fence nickyw, that way one can dip their toe so to speak in the best of both worlds.

And subscribing to the woke ideology apparently. Not being able to appreciate the dangers posed by AI which you call doom porn when at the same time argue that transwomen are women and men can get pregnant.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

GIGO. So, if Lefties are the programmers you can guarantee that it's been GARBAGE IN..

We have algorithms that we've started calling AI.

AI is....*ahem....AI....

They have developed a lot of programs to control the flow of information and public perception.

Especially the one considered in this case ChatGPT
As Musk said:

The software is programmed by left-wing experts, which train the chatbots to lie, Musk explained during the interview.

Yes that's what I said.

Garbage In, Garbage Out.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

And here's the angle I have been looking for. This is why I have not taken the dive to play around with these chat bots, the elites and capitalists are already fighting over it, which means there's a potential to profit somewhere in there, which means somewhere in these chat bots is the attempt to control people's realities to benefit someone or a group of people.

It's always been about who can trick as many people to fulfill their own realities and get them to do their bidding. It's just rehashed in different ways over the ages. Musk is trying to get on board with it now, he sees the potential.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

No you are confusing your arguments again. There is a difference to what AI can do at the moment and what will be able to do in the future. And those who know very little or nothing such as yourself cannot appreciate the real threat posed against humans.

And yet i seem to comprehend what constitutes AI, the different types of such, and there limitations.

I've got a degree in Information Technology & Media Studies which at least gives me some understanding and a dog in this fight with regards to the subject, whats your claim to fame other than punting doom porn of course?

You said that I should learn the difference between reality and fiction. Oh the irony!!

Care to expand on that thought?

I am sure that what you said can easily be applied to those in the woke brigade who believe men can become women or that men can get pregnant.

Still, waiting for you to attempt to define what woke is or constitutes.

Myself and Elon Musk don't hold these beliefs but we are aware of the dangers of artificial intelligence.

And if strong AI is ever developed you may actually have a basis for such fears.

However, until you can actually recognise the difference between weak and narrow AI compared to what would constitute strong AI, and the limitations of such software, you should probably reserve judgment given your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject.

a reply to: andy06shake

Tell it to take on a character for a story and explain this character has thoughts and feelings. Then ask it to generate responses to questions as this character. The way it adapts is truly mind boggling. Despite being limited by binary choices it’s clear there’s adaptive learning going on.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Naturally the most logical approach to curbing AIs increasingly sophisticated flavor of sociopathy is aiming the software at the cosmos like the James Webb telescope, and hope it doesn't comprehend the fact humans are probably the most infectious and septic species ever conceived.

In Elon We Trust

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Yes really.

Strong AI has not been developed or anything reminiscent of such to date Asmodeus3.

Chat GPT-4, which is a weak or narrow AI, works by processing text inputs and generating text outputs based on data, algorithms, and models.

They do not possess the ability to reason and are in no way self-aware.

Learn the difference, and you may understand the shortcomings of AI to date.

You just love to lap up the doom porn and regurgitate nonsense that you don't even comprehend in its entirety.

TruthGPT, is that you?

Jokes aside, language model processing software is a gimmick made to amuse a society which has glutted itself on appliances to the point we can barely string together a coherent dialogue. Elon wants to prove we are relevant to the universe, but industrialists want to create a next wave civilization that would prove him wrong. That's the real danger here, not the chat program but the engineers who want to simulate life inside of a decidedly unalive mechanism. The shortest road to pissing off ChatGPT is engineering a more "life like" version capable of authentic sentience and then treating it like a nuclear reactor.

One could argue that humans could be replaced and jobs could be lost due to AI automation but I think this is the least of the issues we could face, although a serious one.

Surveillance, censorship, social control and manipulation of human thought are the greatest threats that human race is facing to the point humans can no longer distinguish what is fake news and what is real. AI is very capable through a range of Algorithms to manipulate human perception, influence public opinion, influence the result of elections for example, and most importantly to constantly propagate misinformation and disinformation. AI is very capable to gather enormous amounts of information about the whereabouts of an individual, his/her social interactions, social and political views, etc. It can be used by Governments for spying and surveillance reasons and apparently it is happening at this moment in time.

Two words: hive society

a reply to: Asmodeus3

That's your definition.

Computer says "No".

a reply to: andy06shake

From my opening page

The are several dangers associated directly with Artificial Intelligence. As the famous Physicist Steven Hawking said, the development of AI could spell the end of the human civilization and the end of the human race.

It's amusing you have called the interview, which I don't think you have watched, as doom porn. It is evident you haven't understood what are the threats posed by AI and that Musk, and Hawking above, talk about what could happen in the future.

a reply to: Grenade

It's a smashing piece of code Grenade and can be immensely helpful and impressive

But it's still weak or narrow AI.

As opposed to strong AI which to date does not exist.

It cant reason the same way we do, or is in any way self-aware, hence in no way sentient, or comparable to Human intellect.

Chat GPT-4 does not even have the ability to modify its own source code.

Again it's a very impressive piece of software but its not dangerous and can only generate responses based on the input it receives.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No you are confusing your arguments again. There is a difference to what AI can do at the moment and what will be able to do in the future. And those who know very little or nothing such as yourself cannot appreciate the real threat posed against humans.

And yet i seem to comprehend what constitutes AI, the different types of such, and there limitations.

I've got a degree in Information Technology & Media Studies which at least gives me some understanding and a dog in this fight with regards to the subject, what your claim to fame other than punting doom porn of course?

You said that I should learn the difference between reality and fiction. Oh the irony!!

Care to expand on that thought?

I am sure that what you said can easily be applied to those in the woke brigade who believe men can become women or that men can get pregnant.

Still, waiting for you to attempt to define what woke is or constitutes.

Myself and Elon Musk don't hold these beliefs but we are aware of the dangers of artificial intelligence.

And if strong AI is ever developed you may actually have a basis for such fears.

However, until you can actually recognise the difference between weak and narrow AI compared to what would constitute strong AI, and the limitations of such software, you should probably reserve judgment given your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject.

You may have missed the post above but here it is again

Woke it's simply the usual leftists and radical leftists who are detached from reality. I am sure they are unable to understand the dangers posed by AI. But they are perfectly fine with arguing men can get pregnant or that there are 72 genders

You have a degree in Information Technology and Media Studies. Ok that's fine.

But you don't seem to appreciate the dangers posed by AI.

And Steven Hawking had degrees in Theoretical Physics but he was able to appreciate the disasters that could be associated with AI

The are several dangers associated directly with Artificial Intelligence. As the famous Physicist Steven Hawking said, the development of AI could spell the end of the human civilization and the end of the human race.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

That's your definition.

Computer says "No".

You asked about how I define it.

I don't give a damn how the computer or the A.I. had defined it...

So another argument lost.