Nellie Ohr Just CONFESSED What He Did With Mueller He’s DONE!

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: Doctor Smith

This really is nothing. You guys go ahead and spin your wheels on nothing though. At least, this is real news, and not some shill website, claiming for the millionth time, "this time Hillary is going down for sure". There is at least a couple threads a week saying that.

The simple fact alone that Bruce worked in the government, and his wife for FusionGPS doing work for a campaign, should be considered a massive conflict of interest.

If this was actually nothing, I doubt you'd have stopped by to tell us it was nothing.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: MALBOSIA

There was suspicion, wouldn't it be wise to investigate or just let it slide?

Also, it still doesn't change the fact that this news isn't big. They just looked into where they traveled, that's it.

The conspiracy seems to be more about people trying to take down Trump rather than Trump colluding with Russians to be honest. I haven't really been following it much, but from what I gather it's just paranoid Trump lovers freaking out over a simple, investigation that could lead to something, so far it hasn't really, which is good, it clears his name.

You must be absolutely insane. The last 2 years of Trump hate, of America tearing itself apart all rode into town on the back of that dossier.

And no. There was no suspicion. Everyone directly involved knew it was a complete sham.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: vinifalou

Yea really. This sort of thing happens, ALL the time. It won't have any impact on anything from here on out.

Why is it big news?

Fraud upon the fisa court.
To try and unseat a duely elected president.
That is a coup attempt.

There was no fraud in the FISA court. The GOP with full control of all branches of government looked into it for over a year and failed.

"unseating" a duly elected President in the USA is called impeachment, not coup.
If President Trump or any future President warrants impeachment, they should be impeached as the constitution intentionally allows.

That is not a coup. Claiming the same infers a disdain for the constitution and is suggestive of an affinity for third world dictatorships.

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: MALBOSIA

There was suspicion, wouldn't it be wise to investigate or just let it slide?

Also, it still doesn't change the fact that this news isn't big. They just looked into where they traveled, that's it.

The conspiracy seems to be more about people trying to take down Trump rather than Trump colluding with Russians to be honest. I haven't really been following it much, but from what I gather it's just paranoid Trump lovers freaking out over a simple, investigation that could lead to something, so far it hasn't really, which is good, it clears his name.

You must be absolutely insane. The last 2 years of Trump hate, of America tearing itself apart all rode into town on the back of that dossier.

No, he was the most unpopular Presidential Candidate to be elected in history. That is just a statistical reality.

Defending neo-nazi's, having affairs with porn-stars, constantly embarrassing the USA on the world stage and perpetually lying to the American people about virtually everything has only further drove down his popularity.

His unpopularity rating if unprecedented.

He has been consistently more unpopular than any President on record.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com...

a reply to: Extorris

There was no fraud in the FISA court. The GOP with full control of all branches of government looked into it for over a year and failed.

Just to bring you up to speed:

The Department of Justice's (DOJ) inspector general formally announced Wednesday that he will launch a separate investigation into the DOJ’s handling of a surveillance warrant application for former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

The inquiry comes “in response to requests from the attorney general and members of Congress,” according to the statement from Inspector General Michael Horowitz.

...

According to the statement, Horowitz will examine whether the bureau and the department complied “with legal requirements and with applicable policies and procedures in applications filed … related to a certain U.S. person.”

Horowitz will also review the FBI’s relationship and communications with the “alleged confidential source," as well as what officials knew “from or about” that source at the time the applications were filed. The "confidential source" is a former MI6 agent named Christopher Steele who assembled the dossier under contract with the intelligence research firm Fusion GPS.

DOJ watchdog launches probe into alleged FISA abuse

The above mentioned investigation is currently under way and the report relating to said investigation has not yet been released.

a reply to: Extorris

Defrauding the FISA court by witholding information to get a warrant has already be proven.
"unseating" a President by impeachment is indeed a Constitutional tool, but if it is abused it can legitimately be called a coup.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Glad the IG is finding work to do.

I expect this probe to turn out like the others, a sprinkling of gripes to please the boss, but nothing unethical or illegal.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Extorris

Defrauding the FISA court by witholding information to get a warrant has already be proven.

No, it hasn't.

"unseating" a President by impeachment is indeed a Constitutional tool, but if it is abused it can legitimately be called a coup.

That is bizarre thinking. Impeachment under the constraints of the constitution can never " legitimately be called a coup."

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Extorris

Defrauding the FISA court by witholding information to get a warrant has already be proven.

No, it hasn't.

"unseating" a President by impeachment is indeed a Constitutional tool, but if it is abused it can legitimately be called a coup.

That is bizarre thinking. Impeachment under the constraints of the constitution can never " legitimately be called a coup."

Yeah, it has.
We know the FISA warrant excluded any mention that the dossier was paid for by Hillary's campaign.
We know that information from the dossier was used in the application for a warrant.
We know that Comey and Rosenstein both knew where the dossier had come from before they made the FISA requests.

These are facts.
The investigation into the above will hopefully tell us exactly why the FISA process was defrauded.

As for impaeachment, like i said, ABUSE of the impeachment process could legitimely be called a coup.

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Glad the IG is finding work to do.

I expect this probe to turn out like the others, a sprinkling of gripes to please the boss, but nothing unethical or illegal.

I think the IG is doing the job it is supposed to do by investigating why the FISA process was defrauded.

a reply to: 3n19m470

You honestly think all the trump hate was based off this?

And I'm the insane one? From someone looking from the outside in on the joke of a political mess in the US I can assure you the hate isnt all about a suspicious activity with Russians.
It's mainly just trump supporters who are making this into a big deal. Its literally nothing.

I would like to see a clear and definite statement come from Meuller on collusion between Trump and russia immediately. I would like to see a clear and definite statement of collusion between the Hillary campaign and ties to Russians in reponse to their dossier they funded. If Meuller comes right out and tells the whole and simple truth about these investigations, it would be better for the people of our country. Do they want us arguing among ourselves and being kept in the dark like a mushroom guessing what is happening. The info coming from Mueller needs to be concise, evidence found of any collusion with Russia, The past sins of some of Trump's crew are from before the campaign, sometimes they were working with the Dems at the time. There are skeletons in the closets of most of the politicians and people working in DC at high levels, cleaning house would mean everyone must go. The Democrats employ lots of deceivers and crooks too. They do things to gain wealth by skirting laws just as much as Republicans do.

Lets kick out the whole bunch in DC and start over, requiring anyone who applies for those jobs to be honest instead of giving the jobs to the best deceivers.

a reply to: rickymouse

Exactly right.

A very simple yes or no. No BS, no leaving it to biased media or partisan politicians to spin.

Is there definitive evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC? yes or no?
Is there definitive evidence that Trump conspired with the Russian govt in the hack of the DNC or coordinate any media campaign? yes or no?
Is there definitive evidence that Hillary paid for information from Russian agents? yes or no?
Is there definitive evidence that the sitting US govt aided Hillary's campaign by acting upon opposition research to use federal agencies to gather information on Trump's campaign? yes or no?

That's all that is needed.

Doubt you'll get it, though.

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: vinifalou

Yea really. This sort of thing happens, ALL the time. It won't have any impact on anything from here on out.

Why is it big news?

Fraud upon the fisa court.
To try and unseat a duely elected president.
That is a coup attempt.

There was no fraud in the FISA court. The GOP with full control of all branches of government looked into it for over a year and failed.

"unseating" a duly elected President in the USA is called impeachment, not coup.
If President Trump or any future President warrants impeachment, they should be impeached as the constitution intentionally allows.

That is not a coup. Claiming the same infers a disdain for the constitution and is suggestive of an affinity for third world dictatorships.

You are simply uninformed on this matter and full of crap.
Not surprising.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: vinifalou

Yea really. This sort of thing happens, ALL the time. It won't have any impact on anything from here on out.

Why is it big news?

Fraud upon the fisa court.
To try and unseat a duely elected president.
That is a coup attempt.

There was no fraud in the FISA court. The GOP with full control of all branches of government looked into it for over a year and failed.

"unseating" a duly elected President in the USA is called impeachment, not coup.
If President Trump or any future President warrants impeachment, they should be impeached as the constitution intentionally allows.

That is not a coup. Claiming the same infers a disdain for the constitution and is suggestive of an affinity for third world dictatorships.

You are simply uninformed on this matter and full of crap.
Not surprising.

The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The Constitution, Article I, Section 3:
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishment, according to Law.

a reply to: Extorris

You left out the part where the fbi uses opposition lies to fraudulently obtain a fisa warrant.
You also left out the part where a special counsel is uesd for the same.
Both to drliver made up evidence to congress to fulfill the high crimes requirement.
Too bad they will not get 2/3 in the Senate so there WILL BE NO impeachment.

But they tried.
Will you still be here to eat your crow when it is all exposed?
I doubt it.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris

You left out the part where the fbi uses opposition lies to fraudulently obtain a fisa warrant.
You also left out the part where a special counsel is uesd for the same.
Both to drliver made up evidence to congress to fulfill the high crimes requirement.
Too bad they will not get 2/3 in the Senate so there WILL BE NO impeachment.

But they tried.
Will you still be here to eat your crow when it is all exposed?
I doubt it.

When "all is exposed" I will still be right here with my feet planted in reality, where truth is revealed not invented.

Hope to see you here then.

I no naka no kaeru taikai-o shirazu

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: vinifalou

Yea really. This sort of thing happens, ALL the time. It won't have any impact on anything from here on out.

Why is it big news?

Fraud upon the fisa court.
To try and unseat a duely elected president.
That is a coup attempt.

There was no fraud in the FISA court. The GOP with full control of all branches of government looked into it for over a year and failed.

The FISA/SPYGATE investigation is ongoing. Might take a bit longer, due to so many potential crimes/criminals.

Here is wording from the Office of Inspector General's (OIG) website:

The OIG, in response to requests from the Attorney General and Members of Congress, is examining the Department’s and the FBI’s compliance with legal requirements, and with applicable DOJ and FBI policies and procedures, in applications filed with the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) relating to a certain U.S. person.

As part of this examination, the OIG is also reviewing information that was known to the DOJ and the FBI at the time the applications were filed from or about an alleged FBI confidential source.

Additionally, the OIG is reviewing the DOJ’s and FBI’s relationship and communications with the alleged source as they relate to the FISC applications.

If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.

Source: oig.justice.gov...

a reply to: Extorris

I hope the OIG continues it's to perform its duty; you're implication they they're engaged in busy work is frankly ridiculous.

You might not be aware of a report they recently published:

The OIG found that as a result of conduct by two current senior FBI officials, and one retired FBI official, the FBI contractor engaged in certain inherent governmental activities in contravention of Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR). Additionally, the OIG found that these three FBI officials did not adhere to Office of Management and Budget policy while managing the contractor. Further, the OIG found that the FBI contractor failed to adhere to personal conflict of interest rules under the FAR.

The OIG has completed its investigation and provided its report to the FBI for appropriate action.

Findings of Misconduct by Two Current Senior FBI Officials and One Retired FBI Official While Providing Oversight on an FBI Contract(direct .pdf link)

We shall see how your expectations compare to what comes out from the OIG in regards to the potential FISA abuse.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: MALBOSIA

There was suspicion, wouldn't it be wise to investigate or just let it slide?

Also, it still doesn't change the fact that this news isn't big. They just looked into where they traveled, that's it.

The conspiracy seems to be more about people trying to take down Trump rather than Trump colluding with Russians to be honest. I haven't really been following it much, but from what I gather it's just paranoid Trump lovers freaking out over a simple, investigation that could lead to something, so far it hasn't really, which is good, it clears his name.

The so-called suspicion was raised by the same people responsible for the fake dossier. They create a fake dossier, then direct their lap dogs to attack it. You don't see a problem with that? This is a serious criminal act committed by some of the most powerful people in the country first to win the election and having failed that to obstruct and interfere with this presidency any and every way possible. I would call it fraud but sedition and treason sound much better.