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You have no idea of who greywolves are , lets leave it at that , shall we ?
I have never voted for Erdogan and will never vote for Erdogan either ; I smoke dope and I drink alcohol for start .
One thing that YOU have to understand is the " European Values " are regional , segregatory and discriminatory in their core .
Values that Erdogan represents actually appeal to at least 1.4 billion people over 50+ nations.
You are a bit ignorant on this subject like our friend who doesn't really understand what Blockchain is all about .
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Nihilism? Not even close. More like falsifiability.
Erdogan has bullied people to close schools with threats big deal.
Politicians are cowards they aren't going to stand up for erdogans old buddy.
Let's get some things strait. Christians were always ruled over by Muslims in the Ottoman. Theyat have been able to practice reigion but they were subjects of Muslims. They didn't hold significant power.
I think a person who justifies the actions of others who wish to subjugate hums it into ethnic groups is the same as the person who wants to do those things.
For instance you won't catch me explaining away why the US has been involved in controlling the mid east to control energy reserves.
I frankly don't care. Nobody is coming for me. No need for mercy. Or drama for that matter.
originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: 23432
You have no idea of who greywolves are , lets leave it at that , shall we ?
I have a pretty good idea what their ideology are and your posts are fit the bill, same as the Kemalisten. And yes lets leave it that since its not the purpose of the thread.
I have never voted for Erdogan and will never vote for Erdogan either ; I smoke dope and I drink alcohol for start .
Your personal habits are not my interest.
One thing that YOU have to understand is the " European Values " are regional , segregatory and discriminatory in their core .
Thats the beauty of it. Each country has its own values and are free to oppose their views freely. On the other hand on Turkey different views are get you to jail. As i said before the Turkish values are incopatible with the EU-Values.
Values that Erdogan represents actually appeal to at least 1.4 billion people over 50+ nations.
Ofcourse it does appeal to the Islamistic countries, but does not make them Democracy. The dreams of a "ottoman Empire" revival where Turkey will lead the Islamic world well...its a dream...The sooner your "beloved" president wokes up the better.
You are a bit ignorant on this subject like our friend who doesn't really understand what Blockchain is all about .
I never claimed to know everything anyway. But i have a clear picture of what is going on.
Peace
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.
Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.
Turks can stand on their own against anyone .
History teaches you that fact .
French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .
When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .
Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .
Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .
Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?
In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .
You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.
Turks write history ; just because they were silent in last 100 years doesn't mean they changed .
Tell me whom the Turks should be scarred off ?
Themselves.
If they don't remember and learn from their history they will be doomed to repeat the cycle.
Smart answer .
History beckons for the time being and it's being fulfilled .
Turks have no inherent animosity towards anyone ; if you treat them nice , they treat you nice .
It maybe hard to believe but almost all oppressed nations are beckoning Turks to rise up and smash this usury led system where poor get poorer and rich gets richer .
I understand that Western audiences were/are subjected to relentless anti Turkish propaganda .
Turks embrace multicultural society ; they always have .
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.
Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.
Turks can stand on their own against anyone .
History teaches you that fact .
French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .
When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .
Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .
Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .
Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?
In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .
You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.
Turks write history ; just because they were silent in last 100 years doesn't mean they changed .
Tell me whom the Turks should be scarred off ?
Themselves.
If they don't remember and learn from their history they will be doomed to repeat the cycle.
Smart answer .
History beckons for the time being and it's being fulfilled .
Turks have no inherent animosity towards anyone ; if you treat them nice , they treat you nice .
It maybe hard to believe but almost all oppressed nations are beckoning Turks to rise up and smash this usury led system where poor get poorer and rich gets richer .
I understand that Western audiences were/are subjected to relentless anti Turkish propaganda .
Turks embrace multicultural society ; they always have .
You're confusing anti-Erdogan with anti-Turk.
originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: 23432
The only good Turkey provides for NATO is access to the Black Sea. Turkey is not even on the Atlantic. You got your wish, Turkey will be split from NATO soon enough, and as any thought of being an ally.
We are not leaving Manbij or any part of Syria unless somebody wants to step up to bat and force us out. So either Erdogen grows a pair and dares to step up, or just limit itself to the Afrin area of North Syria and be done with it. Egypt is on our side, so if Turkey wants to go there you can watch its naval access get hindered severely as one or two CSG's park off your cost and deprive you of the Suez.
And BS on Australia and South Africa being afraid of the US. Some serious nonsense right there.
originally posted by: mortex
What crime did 25,000 teachers and tens of thousands of others commit since the purges commenced?
Erdogan is a dictator pretending there is still a democratic system in Turkey.
And what multicultural society? You mean the one created after Christian minorities have been genocided and ethnically cleansed?
The fact you believe the **** you post is remarkable, in the face of reality. Are you doing it with a straight face too?
Total insanity.
a reply to: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
How pathetic that turkey knows the Cia set up 25k teachers yet needs to grovel and beg for manufactured goods from the US and Europe.
Once erdogan over plays his card and he stops getting his imports Mayne the Turks can learn to manufacture the goods they need to survive.
Or else your just fullnof crap.
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Seed76
I hope turkey DOES try to kill th eamericam forces in Syria. Please do... it will get them kicked out of NATO and attacked back in very short order.
If there is a conflict between US and Turkish troops , it is the end of NATO .
Russia , Iran and China will be laughing all the way to bank .
You are clueless .
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Seed76
I hope turkey DOES try to kill th eamericam forces in Syria. Please do... it will get them kicked out of NATO and attacked back in very short order.
If there is a conflict between US and Turkish troops , it is the end of NATO .
Russia , Iran and China will be laughing all the way to bank .
You are clueless .
Ive read your post after this one you replied to. you may live or have americans in your family but you arent truly loyal to the US. Oh its a huge conspiracy..we dont have th eamount of money needed to set up over 50,000 people. not to mention th epaper trail. You drinking the Kool aid to much.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Let's not.
But let's get it out there you just made your first naval ship last year and have all your heavy weapons imported.
NATO Doesn't need turkey. Turkey needs NATO.
But yeah go play with China and Russia they will treat you better. Like they do there own.
Just got back from St Petersburg where I stayed with an engineer couple, both with masters degrees that live in basically a dormatory.
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Let's not.
But let's get it out there you just made your first naval ship last year and have all your heavy weapons imported.
NATO Doesn't need turkey. Turkey needs NATO.
But yeah go play with China and Russia they will treat you better. Like they do there own.
Just got back from St Petersburg where I stayed with an engineer couple, both with masters degrees that live in basically a dormatory.
Current operation in Syria is carried out entirely by Turkish made weapons .
Otherwise there would have been an military ambargo or threat to bomb Istanbul .
Just use your noggin ; If Turks needed western weapons excusively ; it would have been a childs play to stop the military operation simply by witholding weapons shipments .
Erdogan said he'll chase terrorists all the way to Iraq border and he will do exactly that .
Short of directly attacking Turkey , there is nothing US can and will do .
Back in 1974 US threats didn't stop Turks , they went ahead took half of Cyprus and faced 5 years of military ambargo .
There are 4 players in Syria ; Iran , Russia , US and Turkey .
Only 1 player out of 4 wants to partition Syria , I'll let you guess who that is .
originally posted by: Therewearethen
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
How the # was his post racist or religionist? With out Turkey there's not nato? Are you having a laugh? It's basically the yanks, Brits, French and Germans running nato.
I get that you love and support your country but for once can you take your rose tinted glasses off and actually admit your president is committing crimes against humanity? Is it ok to launch an illegal invasion to attack a group which hasn't or isn't intending on attacking You?
Is it ok to lock up thousands of civilians just because they voiced an opinion? Before you mention UK and usa invading Iraq I didn't support it.