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originally posted by: JDmOKI
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: JDmOKI
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
I understand the ethnocentric posts. But first off Islam would not be as good as dead if Turkey falls. That is an outrageous claim.
Second no proof Turkey has nukes. They may have aquired them but it's certainly unknown. Turkey certainly does not produce nukes or very many weapons at all.
Nato may need Turkey for a strategic position but it's the US that Nato needs the most. Hands down.
France is every bit as important as is Germany. Both nations manufacture equipment which Turkey does not. Turkey is years away from producing there own supply of heavy arms. They need Europe, Russia, China, or the US to keep a supply line.
Turkey under erdogan is playing their best cards but too soon and too often. They are in no position to back off Europe and the US or will end up in the hands of Russia. Which may seem like a good short term plan for erdogan buts a bluff that will eventually fail if overplayed.
My claims are not ethnocentric at all . Turks represent " Northern Islam " and Arabs represents " Southern Islam " .
Whenever Islamic World gets organised ; it is under the rule of Turks .
Turks have nukes as well as more than few hundred million soldiers from all over the World .
Turks are not denying the number one role of US but without US Turks would be fine . Russians , Arabs, Greeks , Persians or Chinese don't scare the Turks either .
Turks can defeat Germans in an afternoon and French in anhour , that is if they turn up . Currently Turks manufacture % 80 of their own arms and in year 2023 , it will almost % 100 .
Your information is about 10 years out of date .
Putin's wife is an ethnic Turk and all the " stan " countries are Turks too . Russia has millions of Turks ; Russia needs Turks more than Turks need Russia .
Turks and Russians have no reason to go to war ; Erdogan probably would give them a base in Cyprus if it comes to it .
Only the Brits are on par with Turks in terms of military and Brits are on the side of Turks , yet again . Such as politics for you .
You are underestimating Turks big time .
Nationalist fools if you ask me. Turkey used to be extremely moderate place until your loser president took over and pushed ottoman bull# propaganda. Why do you think the Turkish army is so strong? All it takes is a few aircraft carrier parked outside of Istanbul and maybe we can get a seccesful military coup
Another user who grew up believing in myths .
Every Turks is a born soldier ; Turks are not a nation with an army , Turks are an army with a nation(s).
I live in Istanbul and I am 5 miles away from US soldiers ; we go drinking sometime and eat fish .
Your ignorance makes me laugh so much ; my sides are hurting .
I'm glad you eat fish with us soldiers that's really cool. So how is turkey not having a nationalist movement? I'd love to visit Istanbul but unfortunately if I'm a not a Muslim and the current political climate in turkey I'll pass, not worth the trouble. Thank your president we could have had fish together
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: JDmOKI
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: JDmOKI
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
I understand the ethnocentric posts. But first off Islam would not be as good as dead if Turkey falls. That is an outrageous claim.
Second no proof Turkey has nukes. They may have aquired them but it's certainly unknown. Turkey certainly does not produce nukes or very many weapons at all.
Nato may need Turkey for a strategic position but it's the US that Nato needs the most. Hands down.
France is every bit as important as is Germany. Both nations manufacture equipment which Turkey does not. Turkey is years away from producing there own supply of heavy arms. They need Europe, Russia, China, or the US to keep a supply line.
Turkey under erdogan is playing their best cards but too soon and too often. They are in no position to back off Europe and the US or will end up in the hands of Russia. Which may seem like a good short term plan for erdogan buts a bluff that will eventually fail if overplayed.
My claims are not ethnocentric at all . Turks represent " Northern Islam " and Arabs represents " Southern Islam " .
Whenever Islamic World gets organised ; it is under the rule of Turks .
Turks have nukes as well as more than few hundred million soldiers from all over the World .
Turks are not denying the number one role of US but without US Turks would be fine . Russians , Arabs, Greeks , Persians or Chinese don't scare the Turks either .
Turks can defeat Germans in an afternoon and French in anhour , that is if they turn up . Currently Turks manufacture % 80 of their own arms and in year 2023 , it will almost % 100 .
Your information is about 10 years out of date .
Putin's wife is an ethnic Turk and all the " stan " countries are Turks too . Russia has millions of Turks ; Russia needs Turks more than Turks need Russia .
Turks and Russians have no reason to go to war ; Erdogan probably would give them a base in Cyprus if it comes to it .
Only the Brits are on par with Turks in terms of military and Brits are on the side of Turks , yet again . Such as politics for you .
You are underestimating Turks big time .
Nationalist fools if you ask me. Turkey used to be extremely moderate place until your loser president took over and pushed ottoman bull# propaganda. Why do you think the Turkish army is so strong? All it takes is a few aircraft carrier parked outside of Istanbul and maybe we can get a seccesful military coup
Another user who grew up believing in myths .
Every Turks is a born soldier ; Turks are not a nation with an army , Turks are an army with a nation(s).
I live in Istanbul and I am 5 miles away from US soldiers ; we go drinking sometime and eat fish .
Your ignorance makes me laugh so much ; my sides are hurting .
I'm glad you eat fish with us soldiers that's really cool. So how is turkey not having a nationalist movement? I'd love to visit Istanbul but unfortunately if I'm a not a Muslim and the current political climate in turkey I'll pass, not worth the trouble. Thank your president we could have had fish together
You do realize that I have American family , right ?
Stop reading MSM is my advice .
Travel and enhance your perception .
You don't need to come Turkey ;Turkey comes to you .
Latest Turkish exports to USA :
STOP BELIEVING IN MSM and definetely don't believe the Greeks .
Do I need to remind you what " Grand Turk " says about Greeks and USA ?
This is ATS for crying outloud !!! .
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Really which logical fallacy. The one where you show antectodatal evidence of a cerimony?
Yet the leader of the church says they are being shut down and treated as second class citizens.
Learn your fallacies.
The Americans are lifting the glove and responding to Erdogan's threats for their immediate departure from the Syrian city of Mampez before Ankara launches military operations against the YPG Kurdish forces and states that "our forces will remain in the city"
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Right.
So blacks still exist in America therefor they have never been unjustly treated or marginalized.
Again learn your fallacies.
originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: 23432
Enough with your BS. It is clearly noticeable that you are part of the "Grey Wolfs"(i.e Far Right Nationalist Turkish) reading all the brainwashed propaganda that you typing in your posts. There is one thing you have to understand. Turkish values currently are incopatible with EU values. Your "beloved" president made sure of that by talking big words and make many countries to dislike him.
And if you think that Russia actually cares about Turkey well....You might got a deal for S-400 but the Russians are not crazy enough to sell you the techonology so you can make it your own.
Here is something that is related to the thread title.
The Americans are lifting the glove and responding to Erdogan's threats for their immediate departure from the Syrian city of Mampez before Ankara launches military operations against the YPG Kurdish forces and states that "our forces will remain in the city"
The Americans do not withdraw from Manbjat and respons to Ankara : "We are waiting for you"
Peace
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Seed76
Let him keep typing with every post he exposes his propaganda more and more.
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: ni91ck
Erdogan scares me more than likkle kim.
Such a pity the coup didn't work.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Seed76
I hope turkey DOES try to kill th eamericam forces in Syria. Please do... it will get them kicked out of NATO and attacked back in very short order.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Lol
I am talking about Jim crow not slavery. Talking about a justice system that imprison disproportionate.
My ancestors had nothing to do with the native American genocide.
There are more ways than to repress people than through genocide.
The British for instance let people have their own rule much of the time. It's simply easier. It doesn't mean they are not repressed.
originally posted by: khnum
Considering what happened to Mubarak,Saddam Hussain and Ghadaffi Id say Mr Erdogan can figure out his fate once his usefulness is over ,there have been broken promises a plenty by the USA and whilst Trump is achieving things domestically- US foreign policy at the moment seems to be run by the WWE.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
Sure let me get right on erdogans state media and find out what the official response is.
Wonder why other countries don't have such problems with the press,education, and judiciary they need to imprison tens of thousands. Tens of thousands is a really large Cia campaign. They must be really really good. Why would the Cia need such power in an ally?
Strange.
Wasn't the ottomans largest economic power the slave trade. With a large portion sex slaves.
Yeah a caliphate would be great. Religion and power usually work so well together.