Now That It Is Spring... "Arctic Is Melting! "

a reply to: Grimpachi

All the more reasons to stop polluting.

Maybe climate change is the fault of Man. Maybe it isn't. When in doubt, let us just stop polluting altogether - that way if something bad happens, we'll know we aren't the ones who brought it.

a reply to: swanne

I am all for that, but unfortunately I am also a realist and know it is an unrealistic expectation in the current global environment.

There are things we can do to reduce emissions and technologies which have been developed that could change everything, but they have not been put into use.

Simple fact is people do not want to pay for their mistakes no matter what that may entail as long as it causes them any type of inconvenience. We are a short sighted selfish species after all.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Well, it is well known that I am not a realist.

Reality needs a change. Thus I conform not to it.

Green tech does exist. What prevents its implementation is corporate greed. They put the pricing too high.

So guess what? I am working on my own ways to generate green electricity. And the second I find a cheap way to do so, I intend on sharing my findings with you all.

I know I'm a dreamer. But your world needs my kind.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Sure, there are glaciers melting all over the world. And there are glaciers growing all over the world, too.

This is not the point here. Focus. The point is that these climate "scientists" are using Spring as a method to push their AGW.

Again, bending the facts to fit the theory: spring melts ice, but when that happens, ignore the "spring" part.

I suggest you watch a movie called "Chasing ice" Glaciers aren't just melting, they are disappearing. But keep believing what big oil tells you until its too late.

a reply to: swanne

Where in the article does it say that this only happens in the spring? Are you confusing the date of the article to when the study was performed? I wouldn't necessarily assume that. Normally studies of this nature take place over several years to a decade or even longer.

a reply to: moresco

I'm pretty sure the OP was being ironic with the title.

Follow some of the climate/AGW threads in this forum and you might see a trend.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Grimpachi


So guess what? I am working on my own ways to generate green electricity. And the second I find a cheap way to do so, I intend on sharing my findings with you all.

I know I'm a dreamer. But your world needs my kind.

If that were to happen, then some MIBs might pay you a visit and take away your new toy. If you are lucky they might compensate you, but if you do not play along then they can make you and your invention vanish.

At least that is what I heard.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Did you know that Leonard Nimoy was a very prolific Global Warming Denier?

www.youtube.com...

He was long before this current conspiracy theory of GW existed. To this day, his documentary makes more sense than the current majority of climatologists do.

a reply to: naftaland

That episode broadcast in 1977. He narrated it.
The late Leonard Nimoy tweeted this last year:

What shall we do about climate change? Earth needs help to LLAP

a reply to: jrod

Thanks for the heads up. I guess I'll do a little reading this afternoon and catch up

Neil deGrasse Tyson says it's time for you to all hush! If you were as smart as he is, you'd understand. All you "deniers" are threatening an informed Democracy...

From Here:

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Politicians Denying Science Is ‘Beginning Of The End Of An Informed Democracy’
by Ari Phillips
Posted on April 18, 2015 at 11:59 am

The Republican is thinking different suggestions from the Democrat, and that is the healthy political conversation that should unfold. Should there be carbon credits or not? Should there be trade regulations or not? Should we invest in solar panels rather than clean coal?

That would be a fruitful debate that could be held in the political arena. But the moment the politicians start saying they are in denial of what the scientists are telling them, of what the consensus of scientific experiments demonstrates, that is the beginning of the end of an informed democracy.

So all you uneducated boobs out there just hush and let the "Smart People" take care of this.

a reply to: CornShucker

So all you uneducated boobs out there just hush and let the "Smart People" take care of this.

NO no just NO!!!!!

I don't want to hear from any educated scientist they use big words and say things that frighten me.

I want to leave everything to slimy lawyers turned slimy politician because they don't use big words and tell me it is all a hoax.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: CornShucker

So all you uneducated boobs out there just hush and let the "Smart People" take care of this.

NO no just NO!!!!!

I don't want to hear from any educated scientist they use big words and say things that frighten me.

I want to leave everything to slimy lawyers turned slimy politician because they don't use big words and tell me it is all a hoax.

Tyson's attitude reminds me of the old saw, "Only a madman has never doubted his sanity."

His article disappointed me on two counts. The claim that there is nothing left to debate and the attempt to make it political.

There are people out West that built homes miles from anyone and went to great expense to install the necessary hardware to make their homes totally green and off the grid. The "All-Knowing Gov't" popped up forcing them to pay the cost of running poles and power-lines to their property or become involved in a battle that included the total loss of all they'd built. I'm talking 100-150K for power-lines they didn't need. So much for getting a "thank you" for going green...

I'm no more a fan of politicians than I am smug know-it-alls. In the end I'm 99.999% sure that nothing we do is gonna help (notice I didn't mention doing harm).

If they really gave a d*mn, they'd quit pretending that the continuing problem in Fukushima is nothing to worry about. I was raised on a farm and became familiar with the smell of BS early in life.

As the (don't care people) DTCP increases near the Arctic + nature is sweating of deforestretism and cooking of wild lives. Aren't humans the host of this perfect home. We gotta think of that.
Or a...have u got other homes or from another round ball far away.

originally posted by: CornShucker


His article disappointed me on two counts. The claim that there is nothing left to debate and the attempt to make it political.

The science is overwhelming on the climate debate. Human activity is causing changes to this planets chemistry.

There is a fundamental problem with debating that Neil deGrasse Tyson pointed out in that article:

The goal of StarTalk is to enlighten you, and in my judgement and my experience, observing a debate never enlightened anybody; all it does is make people dig in more strongly into the point of view they had entering the debate, typically. So you’ve never seen me in a debate, ever, because that implies that we each have opinions and “oh let’s see who can give the best argument for this audience so they can believe my opinion instead of yours.” But if you’re more charismatic than I am or have better word use, or are more articulate, then you’ll win the debate, and that means you’ll be right and I’ll be wrong. This is not how it works.

originally posted by: CornShucker
Neil deGrasse Tyson says it's time for you to all hush! If you were as smart as he is, you'd understand. All you "deniers" are threatening an informed Democracy...

And he's 100% right.

Imagine if in 1957 nuclear physics deniers were claiming that all those scientists against H-bombs and nuclear war using facts of physics were "alarmists", "one world socialists", "chicken-littlists", "America haters", "elitists", etc?

originally posted by: CornShucker

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: CornShucker

So all you uneducated boobs out there just hush and let the "Smart People" take care of this.

NO no just NO!!!!!

I don't want to hear from any educated scientist they use big words and say things that frighten me.

I want to leave everything to slimy lawyers turned slimy politician because they don't use big words and tell me it is all a hoax.

Tyson's attitude reminds me of the old saw, "Only a madman has never doubted his sanity."

His article disappointed me on two counts. The claim that there is nothing left to debate

At the public policy level, there are things to debate, but not the ones being debated in the USA.

At the science level, things have been debated for decades, and that's not the debates that are being discussed.

Those "debates" are disingenuous fear-uncertainty-doubt propaganda to sabotage necessary action when there isn't significant question any more at the major scientific level.

It's false to say that since some things are not scientifically certain (which is true) that that means that other things which certain parties don't like are also uncertain.

and the attempt to make it political.

The right, on its own, made it intensely political.

originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: CornShucker


His article disappointed me on two counts. The claim that there is nothing left to debate and the attempt to make it political.

The science is overwhelming on the climate debate. Human activity is causing changes to this planets chemistry.

Yes, by all means, lets just sit back and surrender our right to free thought and critical thinking to those who proclaim from on high what reality is...

"Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses." - Plato

originally posted by: mbkennel
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and the attempt to make it political.

The right, on its own, made it intensely political.

As if the left has no part in what we are discussing. Passing laws that affect everyone both financially and as to quality of life shouldn't ever be questioned? Just as some move away from their childhood faith as they mature, my thinking changed from primarily liberal to a more balanced independent/libertarian attitude once I became responsible for a family. Contrary to what many of my friends on the left may think, those on the right have no monopoly on being wrong.

Vice-President Al Gore burned several hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel to speak for ~15 minutes at the Kyoto meetings in Australia, and I was contributing to the destruction of the planet every time I fired up my little 3-cylinder Metro!

I don't kid myself, the elite of the world are going to do what they wish and the unwashed masses will live under their high and mighty proclamations. I don't, however, appreciate having my intelligence insulted. Surrendering the right to your opinion is the first step in becoming nothing but one of the "worker-ants". The men and women who live as stewards of the land such as Native Americans and family farmers can give you a statistically more accurate prediction of what to expect of short term weather than the credentialed meteorologists.

For myself, I will continue to say that I have absolutely no problem with trying to help hold down pollution. Even though I'm on a fixed income now I have my place in line for the three wheeled, 84mpg highway Elio once they begin production.

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." - Donald James Wheal

a reply to: swanne
I don't know about all your preconceived leanings, but what I do know...Is Northen California is hot already. Our mountains have no snow on them like they used to. All our streams are drying up. used to be able to swim everywhere. Trails I used to hike have no more water on them because of reduced glaciers on Mt. Lassen and Shasta. It's the sad reality. Also Gov. Brown made mandatory state-wide water restriction laws. Setting is changing. The people who want you to not believe that are just trying to keep you happy and free from the reality so they can keep profiting off your consumption of their polluting products.😓
I'm am outdoors person so I see a lot of our natural resources first hand...they ARE diminishing. The govt has acknowledged that.