The 9/11 Saudi Connection

The 9/11 Saudi Connection.

Most of you who are reading this will no doubt have your suspicions about how deep the rabbit hole of Saudi-Arabia's involvement in the attacks of 9/11 goes. Like many of you I have long shared this suspension that we have all been lied to by successive governments about the role of the House of Saud in those attacks. There has been much written on this subject, mostly regarding the redacted 28 pages of the joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001, the truth is that there is much more to the involvement of the Saudi state that this thread will shed some light on.

This is not so much a conspiracy, but a hidden truth, a truth hidden in the pages of the 9/11 commission report, in other government reports, hidden in the media and in the statements of government officials just waiting to have the dots joined up. This hidden truth points the figure of blame squarely at the feed of Saudi-Arabia, yet does not have any of the usual grandiose elements of other 9/11 conspiracies rich with buzz words like “false flag”, because this is much more complex, its not a “conspiracy theory” rather it is a hidden truth.

A hidden truth that is now coming to light.

Disclaimer: This is a long thread, I am very aware that many of my threads on 9/11 are usually aimed at debunking existing 9/11 conspiracy theories this thread is not about "debunking" rather it is about trying to bring to light what I feel is the true 9/11 conspiracy. As such I would kindly ask members to respond to the information within this thread and not me as a member. Thank you.
A little History.

With that said, lets start with a little history.

The key in my view to understanding the connection to Saudi-Arabia and the attacks of 9/11 requires one to understand the history between Al-Qa'ida and the Saudi State. This history is vast and it is not the possible to provide a detailed history in one thread alone, so what follows is very much a readers digest, however for more information on the relationship between the Saudi state and Al-Qa'ida I would highly recommend reading Steve Coll's book Ghost Wars .


The relationship between Al-Qa'ida and the Saudi-Arabia is a long one, the Bin Laden family have always been close with the Saudi Royal family through their vast construction corporation. Osama Bin Laden's relationship with the Saudi General Intelligence Directorate (GID) first started during the Soviet war in Afghanistan where many Mujahideen where funnelled into Afghanistan with the help of Bin Laden and his and Abdullah Azzam groups Maktab-al-Khidamat. It around this time Bin Laden met with the head of GID PrinceTurki bin Faisal Al Saud (pictured), one of the leading suspects in allegations of a Saudi role in 9/11. Some, including Richard Clerke, the counter-terrorism expert for the Clinton Administration have described Bin Laden as one of Truki's “protégé’s”. Steve Coll does not go as far to say that Bin Laden was on the pay role of the GID as one of their assets, but that he was about as close as one could get.

However, Bin laden did not remain quite as close with the GID and the Saudi establishment after the end of the Afghan-Soviet war. Shortly after the war Bin Laden began speaking out against the House of Saud, he was highly critical of many decisions that they had made, especially allowing American military bases be set up inside the kingdom. Bin Laden was outraged by this, he spoke out publicly against this move, making the Saudi elite nervous, they tried to silence him, they took away his passport. Although, the House of Saud is huge, it has thousands very wealthy princes who do not always agree with the actions of the Kingdom, not all have any real clout, and some agreed with Bin Laden’s outrage. According to the 9/11 commission report a named Saudi Royal dissident helped Bin Laden leave Saudi-Arabia under the pretest of a Islamic gathering and had him exiled into safety in Sudan. By 1994 the Saudi Government had revoked Bin Ladens citizenship, froze his financial accounts and man of Bin Laden’s brothers had turn their backs on him. He had gone from friend of the Saudi government to sworn enemy.

Things in Sudan started of well for Bin laden but soon soured, he was the target of at least one assassination attempt, the culprits are unknown but Saudi-Arabia are among the suspects. Then in 1995 the government of Sudan came under increasing international pressure following the attempted assassination of Egyptian president Honsi Mubarak in 1995 for not handing over three of the suspects belonging to the Egyptian Islamic Group, this lead to sanctions being placed on the country. It also put Bin Laden under new pressures, he was harbouring many known terrorists and the sanctions were hurting his financial interests. Additionally the government of Sudan also offered to hand him back to the Saudi's to gain some favour with the Kingdom, which the Saudi's rejected but made it known to the Sudanese that they were not happy with having Bin Laden in Sudan. Eventually this lead to Bin Laden setting up a new base of operations in Afghanistan where the Taliban offered him much more freedom. It has also been said that at some point during 1998 Prince Turki approached the Taliban and attempted to have them hand over Bin Laden apparently upon the request of American intelligence.

As I have said above, this is a very much a limited account of the relationship between Al-Qa'ida and Saudi-Arabia, it is not intended as a full historical account it is only intended to give some back group and illustrate how Bin Laden went from a friend to a foe in the eyes of the Saudi elite.

Saudi-Arabia Funding Terrorism

As I said above, is quite clear that by the time Bin Laden had exiled himself in Afghanistan he and Saudi-Arabia were not allies. This does raise the obvious question then, how can we say that the Saudi's were connected to 911 if the Saudi's and Bin Laden were at odds. Most of the information that follows comes for the excellent book the eleventh day by Anthony Summers and Robert Swan, who also wrote a very interesting article in Vanityfair in which they have raised one very real possibility, according to the authors.

In June 1996, according to published reports, while in Paris for the biennial international weapons bazaar, a group including a Saudi prince and Saudi financiers gathered at the Royal Monceau hotel, near the Saudi Embassy. The subject was bin Laden and what to do about him. After two recent bombings of American targets in Saudi Arabia, one of them just that month, the fear was that the Saudi elite itself would soon be targeted. At the meeting at the Monceau, French intelligence reportedly learned, it was decided that bin Laden was to be kept at bay by payment of huge sums in protection money.

In sworn statements after 9/11, former Taliban intelligence chief Mohammed Khaksar said that in 1998 Prince Turki, chief of Saudi Arabia’s General Intelligence Department (G.I.D.), sealed a deal under which bin Laden agreed not to attack Saudi targets. In return, Saudi Arabia would provide funds and material assistance to the Taliban, not demand bin Laden’s extradition, and not bring pressure to close down al-Qaeda training camps. Saudi businesses, meanwhile, would ensure that money also flowed directly to bin Laden.

A number of media outlets have reported further on the alleged payment of protection money paid by rich Saudi's through charitable organisations with the Daily Mail reporting that:

sourcing a U.S official, that two Saudi princes paid bin Laden ‘protection money’ - in return for Al-Qaeda not carrying out operations in Saudi Arabia, the authorities would turn a blind eye to his operations elsewhere.

And another source had this to say to the Gaurdian.

Chatham House professor Paul Stevens says: “For a long time, there was an unwritten agreement … whereby al-Qaida’s presence was tolerated in Saudi Arabia, but don’t piss inside the tent, piss outside.”

What is also shocking is that even as of 2009 this was still going on, according to Wikileaks in a secret memo by Hillary Clinton she said that:

Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups

So what did the 9/11 commission have to say about Saudi funding for Al-Qa'ida?

Well even although the 9/11 commission does not actually go as far to that the Saudi government was financing Al-Qa'ida it does say that Saudi-Arabia was Al-Qa'ida main source of funding through wealthy backers and charities. It even goes on to say that it could not say that these charities were not acting on behalf of the Saudi government, the report as flawed as it may be could not even actually say with any certainty that elements of the Saudi government were not funding Al-Qa'ida

And on the topic of the 9/11 commission, when it comes to the Saudi involvement it is a total whitewash, if you read between the lines Saudi-Arabia comes up repeatedly yet at no point does the report directly state that they had any responsibility. It is very clear form what is written above that the Saudi state was financially backing terrorist groups like Al-Qa'ida in return for protection. This funding went towards training, recruitment, propaganda and the estimated annually $30 million a year running cost of the group before 9/11. So how they can say that the Saudi's were not responsible in part for the attack is a joke. The attack itself is believed to have only cost about $400,000 but with out the infrastructure of Al-Qa'ida to provide the training and backing of the attacks they arguably would not have gone ahead, and it seems pretty obvious that the funding providing this infrastructure came from Saudi-Arabia.

The unwritten rule of money for protection through Saudi Businesses goes totally unmentioned in the 9/11 report however ABC did report on it and went even further, in their article they claim that 12 businessmen were identified by US lawmakers as having directly funded Al-Qa'ida. This is further proof of the Authors of the Eleventh Day's claim that the money for protection would be funnelled through Saudi businesses.

According the the New York Times there is something even more nefarious going on, they claim to have seen documents that prove not only Saudi funding for Al-Qa'ida but that some members of the Saudi Royal family directly funded the attacks reporting that.

Documents gathered by lawyers for the families of Sept. 11 victims provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family, but the material may never find its way into court because of legal and diplomatic obstacles.

Just to summarize before we move on, French intelligence uncovered a secret deal made in the mid 1990's in which Saudi-Arabia would give money to Al-Qa'ia in exchange for protection, they done this through a number of charities and businesses. There are a number of sources witch appear to corroborate this and there are also documents that exist that prove the Saudi-Arabian royal family provided direct funding to the 9/11 attackers. However nothing has been done about this, it was never investigated.

Spies and Terrorists.

It is clear then that the Saudi state was at least in some way providing funding to the Al-Qa’ida terrorists however this is just the tip of the ice-berk. There is shockingly evidence that would suggest that in addition to providing financial assistance elements of the Saudi elite and intelligence services were providing direct material support to the terrorists.

This is best explored by starting at LAX airport in January of 2000 when two Sauid’s named Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar got off a plane from Bangkok, these two men would go on to take part in the hijacking of American flight 77. The 9/11 commission point out that neither al-Hazmi nor al-Mihdhar spoke even passable English and that they would have required some kind of assistance when they arrived in America to get set up. They received this help shortly after getting out of the departure lounge where they were met by a shadowy figure named Omar al-Bayoumi who was also a Saudi national and had arrived in America on a work/study visa in 1994.


Al-Bayoumi provided the two young Saudis with more than just a little help, he facilitated their whole stay in America. To start with he took the two to San-Diego with him and arranged from them to move into the house next to his, he even put down over $1500 to cover the first two months’ rent. After this he also helped arrange social security for the two men and even introduced them to the local Mosque Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami which was led by none other than Anwar al-Awlaki and helped arrange flying lessons. It is not surprising then that after the attacks al-Bayoumi was a suspect of interest to the FBI however just 2 months before the 9/11 attacks he moved to England. After the attacks he was arrested by the anti-terrorist branch at Scotland Yard working with the FBI and questioned. However he was then released as they could not find any evidence he was knowingly part of the 9/11 plot and then he vanished, currently he is believed to be somewhere in Saudi-Arabia.

But the questioned remains, just who was Omar Al-Bayoumi?

He was a Saudi spy……

In 2002 Newsweek were first to investigate Omar Al-Bayoumi, in their article they explain that he was released after playing dumb to everything. He claimed to have meet the two hijackers after overhearing them talking in Arabic at a restaurant near LAX and that his support for them was just him trying to be a good Muslim. The article also casts some doubts over what he was actually doing in America, it points out that his story was inconsistent. According to some Newsweeks spoke to he would tell them he was a student working to get his doctorate at San-Diego state only the University has no record of him ever having attended. He also according to the article told others that he worked for a company called Dallah Avco which has extensive links to the Saudi Ministry of Aviation and Defence. His behaviour around his other Muslims had his peers suspicious, they suspected he was a Saudi spy saying that

Al-Bayoumi was a familiar figure in San Diego's burgeoning Islamic community. He was often seen at the mosque or at social functions, chatting amiably, almost always holding a video camera. Al-Bayoumi seemed to pay so much attention to the comings and goings of young Saudi college students that some were convinced that he was a Saudi government spy. "He was always watching them, always checking up on them, literally following them around and then apparently reporting their activities back to Saudi Arabia," said Henry Bagadan, a Pakistani businessman who worships at the San Diego Islamic Center.

There is one other snippet of information that comes from the Newsweek article that further supports the idea that he may have been a Saudi spy according to the report.

The British investigators arrested al-Bayoumi, and tore up the floorboards in his house. They discovered records of phone calls to two diplomats in the Saudi Embassy in Washington. The officials, who worked in the Islamic section of the embassy, which supports mosques and Islamic charities, apparently offered innocent explanations to FBI investigators

Indeed there are even more allegations of al-Bayoumi being a spy that came out from the judici al watch under a freedom of information request (all be it heavy redacted) regarding parts of the FBI investigation that stated clearly that:

An individual who has requested confidentiality has stated al-Bayoumi is believed to have worked for the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Service and reports on dissident Saudis in the U.S.

It is also said that evidence of Al-Bayoumi being a Saudi spy working under their direction may be part of the redacted 28 pages with the New York Times reporting that:

People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government.

In San Diego, Mr. al-Bayoumi was employed by a contractor to the Saudi civil aviation authority, and received payments authorized by a Saudi official. But Congressional officials believe he was a ''ghost employee'' of the contractor who did no actual work. The payments authorized by the Saudi official increased significantly after Mr. al-Bayoumi came in contact with the two hijackers in early 2000, the classified part of the report states.

So to summarize this means that as well as providing funding and support to the hijackers there is also lots of allegations being made that this guy was actually a Saudi spy with connections to a Saudi aerospace defence company.

Which might explain where he got his money from but this rabbit hole only gets deeper…..

Enter Bandar Bush.



Bandar bin Sultan also known as “Bandar Bush” served as the Saudi ambassador to the United States from 1983-2005 and was considered a close associate of both Bush presidents, after leaving the office of Ambassador he went on to hold a number of intelligence posts up until January 2015 he was Sectary General of the National Security Council. In addition to this impressive resume he is also one of the most senior suspects in the Saudi-9/11 connection.

As noticed above Omar al-Bayoumi was most definitely a Saudi spy who Scotland Yard had uncovered has numerous communications with the Saudi embassy America when Bandar was Ambasador. In addition to this however there is also a money trail that goes straight from Bandar to Al-Bayoumi who as we have seen was instrumental in setting up 2 of the hijackers in America. It would appear that Haifa bint Faisal, wife of Bandar has sent some $150 000 to the wife of a close associate of Al-Bayoumi. According to reports:

When the reports surfaced, Haifa bint Faisal, wife of Saudi ambassador Bandar bin Sultan, acknowledged that she sent nearly $150,000 to the wife of a Saudi living in San Diego. The recipient, Majeda Ibrahin Dweikat, signed over some of the checks to a friend whose husband, Omar al-Bayoumi (with Dweikat’s husband), helped hijackers Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi find housing in San Diego, open bank accounts, get Social Security cards, pay expenses and arrange flying lessons in Florida.

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U.S. authorities continued to investigate his connections. FBI spokesman Ed Cogswell told In These Times that the bureau had discovered the bint Faisal money transfers when it examined al-Bayoumi’s accounts. (Records would have included the check endorsed to al-Bayoumi’s wife.) Bint Faisal insists she did not knowingly aid the terrorists—that she did not even know the woman—but was only giving charity to Dweikat, a thyroid patient, whose husband had written seeking funds to pay medical bills.

It is also interesting to note that her family had strong links to a Sudanese bank that was known to Have been used by members of Al-Qa’ida and into which it has been said in 1996 Bin Laden Significant sums.

This means then that in addition in addition to being connected to a bank that Al-Qa’id was known to use Bandar's wife had also been funnelling funds into the pockets of the man who was setting up the hijackers in the states. She (and indeed Bandar himself) may very well have been indirectly paying their rent!

This accusation was also picked up by TIME who provided more information surrounding these allegations reporting that:

TIME has learned, Riyadh's embassy in Washington has launched a major search through its medical, student, consular, cultural and other records to try to find out whether funds from an account of Princess Haifa their way into the hands of people who may have been supporting terror. That link has not been proven. But sources close to the Saudis made it clear that the ambassador's wife did not keep a close eye on her accounts. On Friday, Princess Haifa's accountant was dispatched to a branch of the Riggs National Bank in Washington to make an exhaustive search of her records. The Princess has two bank accounts in the U.S. — one a checking account, the other a savings account — both at the Riggs Bank in Washington. As soon as she was confronted with allegations that she had made payments to 9/11-linked figures, the princess dispatched her accountant to Riggs to begin a search that lasted until 4 am Saturday.

That search is not complete; only a portion of the checks have been scrutinized so far. But sources said that starting in January 1999, payments of $2000 a month were made from Princess Haifa's checking account to a woman named Majida Ibrahim Ahmad Dwaikat, a Jordanian national with a green card, who is the wife of Osama Bassnan. Bassnan first came to the attention of the Saudi Embassy in Washington in April 1998, when he wrote a pleading letter to Princess Haifa introducing himself as a Saudi living in Washington with four children and a pregnant wife, who also had a severe thyroid condition. After vetting by the Saudi Embassy, sources say, the Saudi
ambassador, Prince Bandar, responded by making a payment of $15,000 to Bassnan himself

It is important to note at this point that we have to connect some of the dots and make a few assumptions. I am very aware that this does not constitute any kind of proof and that I am connecting these dots based on my own observations. With that said then it is my belief that it is possible to argue based on the evidence presented so far that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy who was funding the two terrorists with money he received from Bandar Bush. Given that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy, that he was known to have made contact with the Saudi embassy and his undeniable connection two of the 9/11 hijackers in addition to Bandar’s intelligence connections and the rest of the evidence that will be looked at in this thread I think it is possible to also say at the very least one has to question if Bandar knew what al-Bayoumi was up to. This is a key point that requires further investigation.

Sarasota, Florida.

The county of Sarasota, Florida, has a number of interesting connections to 9/11, it was in this county that we saw Bush endeavouring to find out what happened to the pet goat whilst Manhattan burned and it’s also where a number of the hijackers took flying lessons. Yet it is interesting for another reason, a reason that the FBI covered up from the 9/11 commission.

The information provided above paints a picture of a Saudi support group with in the United States supporting at least two of the hijackers. However information has also came to light in the last few years that suggest this was not the only such support group. It would appear that Mohammed Atta and other hijackers also may have had a support network however the details are not quite as well documented but are none the less interesting.

Only 12 days before the attacks of 9/11 Esam Ghazzawi an advisor to the Saudi King and well known businessman with links to the Bin Laden Group along with his daughter and son-in-law went missing. The whole family just dropped of the face of the earth, then two days after the attacks of 9/11 suspicious neighbours e-mailed the FBI. When the agents arrived at the house they discovered that the there was still food in the fridge, cloths in the wardrobe and the family had even left behind 3 cars, one of them brand new. It appeared they left in a hurry. In the investigation that followed it transipired that there was evidence that none other than Mohamed Atta, the leader of the terrorist cell had been visiting the Ghazzawi residence. The New York Post reports that:

9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta and other hijackers visited a home owned by Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of King Fahd. FBI agents investigating the connection in 2002 found that visitor logs for the gated community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers. Just two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, the Saudi luxury home was abandoned. Three cars, including a new Chrysler PT Cruiser, were left in the driveway. Inside, opulent furniture was untouched.

What is even more shocking is that the FBI covered this up; they were supposed to hand over all documents pertaining to Operation PENTBOMB (Code name for the FBI investigation into 9/11) over to the joint investigation of the House and Senate intelligence committees into 9/11. However according to co-chair Bob Graham, 80’000 documents detaining the investigation into Sarasota regarding the mystery of this family were not handed over. There is currently a effort under-way to have these documents declassified, some have but they have been heavily redacted.

To be clear this means that the FBI did not hand over 80’000 documents which showed that the leader of the terrorists had visited the home of a well-known Saudi with strong ties to the Royal Family. Then just 12 days before the attack Ghazzawi left his Florida home in a gated community in a hurry, even the pool flilter was still running, never to return back to it.

The 20th Hijacker.


Well, he might have been the 20th hijacker both Bin Laden ad himself have denied he was ever part of the 9/11 plot but that he was part of another plot. Regardless, the man I refer to is Zacarias Moussaoui a French citizen who is currently incarcerated, for life without parole in a Super-Max prison for his connections to the attacks. In recent months he has made some interesting claims about the Saudi 9/11 connection however the veracity of these claims has been questioned. None the less given what we know already of the claims of Saudi finance and support for the hijackers are interesting

According to the Guardian:

The most sensational Moussaoui filing is a four-page handwritten letter dated 23 October and docketed this month in federal court in Oklahoma City. In it, Moussaoui claims that a Saudi prince helped him financially in 2001 when he was studying at a flight school in Norman, Oklahoma, and also funneled a large amount of money to some of the 19 men who hijacked planes on September 11. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

The prince “was assisting me in my Islamic terrorist activities ... and was doing so knowingly for Osama bin Laden,” he said.

It is interesting to note that this idea of Saudi financing and assistance with “Islamic terrorist activities” is consistent with other claims of Saudi assistance.

Other press reports give even more details:

Sheikh Osama wanted to keep a record who give money ... who is to be listened to or who contributed to the jihad," Moussaoui said, according to a transcript of the deposition filed in federal court in New York on Monday and published Wednesday by the New York Times.

Among them: Prince Turki Al-Faisal, then the Saudi intelligence chief; Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States; and Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a prominent billionaire investor.

Moussaoui — a French national who was detained in Minnesota weeks before 9/11 and pleaded guilty to six terror-related charges in 2005 — also alleged that he once delivered letters from bin Laden to King Abdullah's brother, Prince Salman, and other members of the Saudi royal family. Abdullah died last month, and Salman was installed as king.

So that is what Moussaoui had to say, I am not going to spend too long exploring his claims further, they have been widely discussed recently.

28 missing pages…

Deep down on the bottom floor of the US Capitol Building there exists a secure room in which some of the country’s biggest secrets are kept, one of these documents is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. It is also known as the infamous missing 28 pages of the joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001. The contents of this document remain classified, there have been lots of reports on what information is contained in the report but the reoccurring theme is a Saudi connection to the terrorists who committed the 9/11 attacks. It is only possible to speculate as to what is in these documents because despite repeated efforts by a number of government officials the document remains classified on the ground so of national security.

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It is possible that it may contain information regarding the role of the Saudi Spy Al-Boyoumi or the allegations of direct funding of Al-Qa’ida by the Saudi state which might prove once and for all that there was a direct involvement of the Saudi government. It is unlikely however that it will have anything to do with the role of the Saudi family living in Sarascota as the FBI did not release this information to the inquiry at the time. It is also said that it may contain information regarding the relationship between Bush and senior members of the Saudi Royal Family. Another claim that was circulated was that it may contain a CIA memo which was said to have proof of a Saudi connection to the attacks.

The New York Times has, along with other news outlets, spoke to individuals who have read the 28 pages. To reiterate what has been said above they say that:

The classified part of a Congressional report on the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, says that two Saudi citizens who had at least indirect links with two hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence agents and may have reported to Saudi government officials, according to people who have seen the report.

People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government. The sections that focus on them draw connections between the two men, two hijackers, and Saudi officials.

Again this would appear to be consistent with the reports above that suggest Al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy with financial links to the Saudi government.

Whatever the true extent to the Saudi role in the attacks of 9/11 I believe that this document may confirm much of the suspicion. Yet at the same time I do not think that the 28 pages will be the end of the story, I would hope that they would encourage a new investigation into the role that the Saudi’s played in the attacks.


The Saudi Exodus.

In the hours following the attack the US implemented a full Ground-Stop of all aircraft in US airspace, no flights were aloud in or out until September 13 when a limited service resumed. A contentious issue that is often brought up when discussing the Saudi role in 9/11 revolves around a flight that left American air space with members of the Bin Laden family and prominent Saudi’s on-board before having been questioned by the FBI, Ritchard Clarke has since taken responsibility for this. It has also been reported that Bandar has requested this flight be made possible just hours after the attacks. It is important to note that in undertaking my research into this I did not find any evidence to corroborate claims that the Saudi’s left before US airspace was opened up.

To reiterate, the New York Times reported that:

The material sheds new light on the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, and it provides details about the F.B.I.'s interaction with at least 160 Saudis who were living in or visiting the United States and were allowed to leave the country. Some of the departing Saudis were related to Osama bin Laden.

What is interesting is who was on the plane and how these individuals were not questioned by the FBI.

One was Prince Ahmed who the Daily Mail (quoting MSNBC) reported on saying that:

Al-Qaida had allegedly been in contact with Prince Ahmed before the attacks, according to statements made by one of Osama bin Ladin's top aides, Abu Zubaydah, MSNBC reported.

And going on to say of another of the princes, prince Sultan:

Prince Sultan, meanwhile, had links to Esam Ghazzawi -- a top adviser to his father Prince Fahd.

Ghazzawi allegedly owned a home in Sarasota that was visited several times by Mohamad Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, and his group.

That last part is most troubling, we have already demonstrated that Ghazzawi had links to the leader of the 9/11 attacks and this report would also suggest that Bandar had helped get a close Royal associate of his out of the country by approaching Bush personally. This is in addition to the fact that there is evidence to suggest Bandar may also have been providing funding to Al-Boyoumi and that he also arranged for another Saudi prince with links to Al-Qa’ida and members of the Bin Laden Family out of the country before the FBI could question them . Therefore one could assume that it was the Saudi Ambassador “Bandar Bush” who may have been using his influence to pull some of the strings.

Final thoughts and Summary.

If you have taken the time to read through all of this thread, then thank you, but please read on a little further so I can give my personal thoughts on what my research into this topic has lead me to believe.

It is my belief that the government of Saudi-Arabia at the highest level was directly involved in financing Al-Qa’ida and was involved in providing logistical support for the attacks. I would also argue that Bandar was a key player who was pulling the strings behind the scenes in providing funding and direction for spies of the Saudi state who were supporting the terrorists with additional support from Prince Turki. I also believe that the administrations of both Bush and Obama know about this but have directed senior members of the intelligence community to keep the exact details of this covered up from the American public. Why they have covered that up is up for debate, I strongly suspect it was to maintain the flow of oil and money from the Gulf.

Finally, it should also be noted that there are a number of other interesting points that I have not been able to fully cover in this thread that also provide further evidence to support a view that the Saudi’s were directly involved in 9/11. It is also interesting to note that this is one of the few points of a 9/11 conspiracy which seem to have general agreement on, even popular mechanics have reported on this as a legitimate cover up in the 9/11 conspiracy.

Again, thank you for taking the time to read this thread and I would welcome your comments and own thoughts on The Saudi 911 Connection.

OH BOY!!!
Somebody's been busy.

S+F

(I'll comment after work)

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The participation of the Saudi intelligencia is more or less obvious to anyone that has drilled in. Most of the faces of the operation were Saudis. So most people polled would give that answer wouldn't they? I believe this is intentional.

There is no way they are capable of pulling this off by themselves. Neither are the Zionists or the USG for that matter.
The only plausible scenario (IMHO) is the three worked closely together. To me that is clear now. The only question left is which elements within the USG executive branch were directly involved. I think it must be the NSA or the CIA but probably not both.

This unholy trinity was hugely successful. I would surmise something new is in progress or in the works and ISIL might be the new Op. It must be big enough to remove all serious scrutiny of 9/11.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The participation of the Saudi intelligencia is more or less obvious to anyone that has drilled in. Most of the faces of the operation were Saudis. So most people polled would give that answer wouldn't they? I believe this is intentional.

There is no way they are capable of pulling this off by themselves. Neither are the Zionists or the USG for that matter.
The only plausible scenario (IMHO) is the three worked closely together. To me that is clear now. The only question left is which elements within the USG executive branch were directly involved. I think it must be the NSA or the CIA but probably not both.

This unholy trinity was hugely successful. I would surmise something new is in progress or in the works and ISIL might be the new Op. It must be big enough to remove all serious scrutiny of 9/11.

Well put, imo a must addition to the OP.

Well written and laid out but the exclusive focus on SA bothers me, I just can't see how the worlds most advanced nation got outsmarted on that kind of level by anyone really, nor why they would participate in a cover-up...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Great thread, but I think that others played their part in 9/11.

Just the timing of the attacks alone, coinciding with the exercises that were being carried out on that fateful day and the fact that Rumsfeld was holding a meeting in the Pentagon discussing future funding for anti terrorism programmes.

Maybe the Zionists were working with the Saudis and just looking at ISIL and how they have been allowed to come to prominence, could be evidence of the two working together. We know the Saudis have financed ISIL and ISIL have, to date and just like Al-Qaeda, showed no sign of attacking Israel.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well someone has been very busy putting this impressive OP together.

I question one part of your post though. Unless I misread, you are deliberately casting doubt on whether the Saudis and Bin Ladens left the US during the no fly period. George Senior was at the WH as well as Cheney, and Senior received someone in arab clothing at the WH that day. Perhaps someone removed all those films from the net, but many of us saw them and there is no doubt at all that reports all across the world mentioned the departure of their plane during the no fly period.

They were not allowing a flight of vital body organs intended for transplant into waiting patients, yet the Saudi plane took off. The outrage was quite loud and the disgust was total. Therefore no doubt at all.

Thank you for a very long and well documented thread. I know that it took a lot of work. I read a lot of it.

Not sure how much you touched on the long-standing relationship between the Saudi Royal family, along with the bin Laden family, and that of GHW Bush, and family. I think that is significant.

If the Saudi's funded 9/11, but remain our partner in the Middle East, in spite of what know about this funding, and we knowingly protect them from exposure, then many (including myself) will naturally assume that we (The US government) are in on 9/11 too.

Back to the Bush's, I can see why Dubya would have never wanted to release the 28 pages. Obama's refusal is more puzzling. But, I agree with you, I think they are not allowed to expose it. "National Security" could be jeopardized.

I know that you didn't make this thread for me to take it on a conspiracy tangent, so I will refrain. But, I do think the non-release of the 28 pages says a lot about the "complicated" involvement of the US in 9/11. In my opinion.

a reply to: aboutface

Hi, thanks for the response!

I question one part of your post though. Unless I misread, you are deliberately casting doubt on whether the Saudis and Bin Ladens left the US during the no fly period.

I probably should have went into a little more depth on this issue because you do raise a interesting point pertaining to the Saudi 9/11 connection.

Basically my research showed that there was a real effort by senior Saudi's to get a number of Saudi's out of the country before the FBI could ask any questions and Richard Clarke seems to have been the guy who facilitated this. The question though that you are asking is if this was during the ground stop. The Ground stop lasted from September 11th through to the 13th (Link) after which limited service was resumed and gradually US air space opened back up. Then question then is did the Saudi flight leave between the 11th and 13th of September.

According to documents released under a FOI by Judicial watch the Saudi's left on September 19th

ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE [REDACTED] LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND

This does not really take anything away though from the idea of a stronger Saudi connection to 9/11 than the government would have us believe.

I do not think that the date they left is relevant, what is relevant is that they were aloud to leave the country before having been properly questioned by the FBI.

originally posted by: eisegesis
OH BOY!!!
Somebody's been busy.

S+F

(I'll comment after work)

Thanks dude but to be honest I just needed a way to fill up my time on ma week off work.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

My take on this is like puddy. The story is going to take shape of whoever's hand you put it in. You can't blame certain people for jumping to conclusions, but that is more their problem than the media's.

The Saudi would have NEVER went through with this if a. they weren't getting something beyond priceless in return or b. both the US and Saudi take orders from the same master. Could the US have committed this act alone? What if they really never expected the attack and only backed down after realizing who was behind it?

I find it hard to leave the US out of it considering the protection we're offering in maintaining the Saudi's clean image. Whether the US was in on it or not, why would the Saudi be interested in sacrificing the American people?

a reply to: Jchristopher5

Thanks for the response dude, very much appreciated!

a reply to: eisegesis

I find it hard to leave the US out of it considering the protection we're offering in maintaining the Saudi's clean image. Whether the US was in on it or not, why would the Saudi be interested in sacrificing the American people?

This question I think is the really interesting part

Why would the Saudi's help the terrorists and why would the American government cover up?

To take the first part of the question, I think that until we know the full story we can only speculate, however I would find it very easy to believe that there were a number of very senior members of the Saudi elite who would have been sympathetic to Bin Ladens ideology.

The second part is more complex, why would America cover this up. Well i can think of a few reasons, as I said I think Bandar Bush had a lot to do with this and finding out that one of the Presidents closest friends was in on it would be a horrendous PR disaster at the time. Then there is also the flow of money and oil coming out of Saudi and if this were to be exposed officially America would instantly lose out.

In truth though there is probably much more to it than that but like i say until we know the full story it is hard to judge.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Bin Laden and Al Qaida didn't fly airliners into any buildings on 911, so Saudi Arabia could not have been supporting an act that wasn't done by them and didn't even happen.

You are still just supporting the OS.

i never understood why we hit afgnistan instead of saudi arabia. why the day after 911 when all airtraffic was grounded we let saudi ambassador leave out of new york by plane. if saudi goverment wasn't responsible why did they not send their own security forces in to arrest saudi people involved in this atrocity.a king is responsible for the behavior of his kingdom is he not.

originally posted by: proteus33
i never understood why we hit afgnistan instead of saudi arabia. why the day after 911 when all airtraffic was grounded we let saudi ambassador leave out of new york by plane. if saudi goverment wasn't responsible why did they not send their own security forces in to arrest saudi people involved in this atrocity.a king is responsible for the behavior of his kingdom is he not.

Hi thanks for the response.

The argument about why we invaded Afghanistan rather than Saudi is a long one. All I will say is that at the time if we had strong evidence to support the allegation that there was direct involvement of the Saudi government and it was made public I do think some kind of action would have been taken against the Saudi state.

As far as I am aware the Saudi Ambassador, Bandar Bin Sultan did not leave after the attacks himself however he did arrange for several other Saudi's, including two princes with links to Al-Qa'ida and members of the bin laden family leave the United States. However they left around September 19 by which time the air space had re-opened however the FBI did not have a chance to question those on board, but did search the plane.

It was a very strange move.