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originally posted by: TinkerHaus
originally posted by: thesmokingman
Homosexuality is just like any other fetish...All people like and are attracted to other, sometimes, taboo kinds of things. Some women like men and women, some like only men, or only women. Same can be said for men. I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not? To tell you the truth, I have no problem with homosexuals at all, and have know quite a few in my life. The one thing I will say I DO NOT LIKE, is when somebody thinks that they need to "come out of the closet" or announce to others they are gay, or act overly flamboyant. WHO CARES?!?! Those are the people that piss me off. It seems to me like with most anything else, they are seeking some kind of attention or validation. I do not go around announcing that I LOVE women, so why do some feel they need to make a big deal of it? I will tell you why, the same reason a lot of kids started smoking or doing drugs, or whatever teenagers do these days....because they are rebelling in some fashion or another.
This is kind of my point - why does it matter if it's a choice. And again, if the criteria for whether or not it's an acceptable behavior is the idea that it's NOT a choice, how can you people justify the double standard when condemning acts that are equally not a choice but are unacceptable to your morality?
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
Do you really think pedophiles choose to be pedophiles? If you do, then why do they make that choice but gay people are just the way the are?
Answer the entire question, don't just copy a line and pretend you're clever.
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
originally posted by: thesmokingman
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
originally posted by: thesmokingman
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
I personally believe that everyone is bisexual to some degree. Anyone who says they've never been attracted to someone of the same sex is lying. I think the atmosphere in which you are raised has a lot to do with whether or not you end up being gay or not. Not that either direction is more or less than the other.
And no, I'm not saying that the atmosphere that produces a straight or gay person is abnormal or deviant at all either - but I do believe that there is a strong chance that the first things that trigger sexual thoughts or feelings when we're children will eventually help shape our sexuality.
I do think at some point homosexuality is a choice.. That doesn't mean it's like a switch you can flip on and off, but I believe we are humans and we're sexual creatures and we're sexually drawn to sexual acts. At some point we make a determination as to what we accept from ourselves and what is unacceptable. From this point forward we cultivate and nurture that choice until it becomes such a part of us that it is no longer a choice at all.
I don't think it's a choice in the way that those who would demonize LGBT people would define it.
Stopped reading when you said that "anybody that says they have never been attracted to the opposite sex is lying". I am 39 years old and have never found another man "attractive". It is unwise for you to try and speak for everybody.
You lie - but keep telling yourself that if that's what you need to tell yourself!
Um, OK....You do realize that not EVERYBODY has the same feelings as you do right? I am sorry but that is a very ignorant assumption and accusation, but, if that's what you need to tell yourself.....
So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?
You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?
originally posted by: thesmokingman
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: thesmokingman
I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not?
It shouldn't but I asked the question because it seems to be an argument for those who wish to deny other people's freedom.
Who exactly is denying anyones freedom? Last I checked, outside of Russia, it is perfectly fine to be homosexual.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: thesmokingman
Homosexuality is illegal in over 70 countries. Not including countries with restrictions short of completely being illegal. So quite a lot of people being denied freedom really.
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Onslaught2996
Its not a choice, its a sickness... like pedophelia... unless you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children.
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?
You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: thesmokingman
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: thesmokingman
I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not?
It shouldn't but I asked the question because it seems to be an argument for those who wish to deny other people's freedom.
Who exactly is denying anyones freedom? Last I checked, outside of Russia, it is perfectly fine to be homosexual.
The people who argue against homosexual marriage or having the same rights as heterosexual couples.
They want to deny freedoms to homosexuals that heterosexuals have.
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
It all comes down to religious persecution...without it, I doubt this debate would have ever come up in history. It would simply be you were with the person you loved.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I am a straight male, and have never been attracted to other men.
originally posted by: TinkerHaus
So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?
You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?
Seeing another mans meat doesn't mean you're gay.
Where did you get that idea from?
originally posted by: thesmokingman
Well, just because certain people want something to change, does not mean that the laws should be automatically adjusted to suit their wishes.
originally posted by: ghostrager
What purpose would it serve to "survival of the fittest"?
I'd argue that any sexual behavior outside of normal heterosexual behavior, between those that are of age to reproduce, is a choice.
Japan is a good insight into how orientations might progress worldwide in coming years.
originally posted by: Elton
I don't think it is a choice unless you are bisexual and then chose to suppress half of your desires.
I suspect that the homophobic ministers and lawmakers in the Bible belt are predominately bisexual as they always say it is a choice (which makes me suspect they are struggling with their own sexualities...) I've never had a choice in who I am attracted to, it just happens.
The behavior is a choice. I can choose to have sex with either gender. The orientation (who I'm attracted to) is no more a choice than whether I'm attracted to tall, dark and handsome or slim, blonde, tan surfer types...