Obama - no quarantine of ebola HC workers

a reply to: Phage

The problem is no one knows exactly when a person is contagious. If a person is returning from W.Africa , there should be a mandatory quarantine. I'm not a doctor, it's just my opinion.....

I find it funny how not that long ago people on this site were freaking out about the updated guidelines regarding quarantine over signs of respiratory infection. People were claiming that it was merely a ploy by Obama to detain people in "FEMA camps." Now suddenly Obama isn't doing enough to prevent the spread of infection. So what is it ATS? Is Obama trying to detain Americans in camps or is he trying to spread this virus?

a reply to: conspiracytheoristIAM

The problem is no one knows exactly when a person is contagious.

The evidence shows that an ebola infected person is not contagious unless they are displaying symptoms. The evidence shows that casual contact with a mildly symptomatic person is of low risk. Evidence shows that even with a strongly symptomatic person it takes exposure to body fluids to become infected.

Thomas Duncan was living at "home" while he quite sick. No one there got sick.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy

It is worth risking infection. ... but it isn't worth being held in quarantine for three weeks when they return?

They understand that the risk of infection is low. They understand that a quarantine of non-symptomic people accomplishes nothing. Yes, three weeks more is an additional hardship.

They would rather risk infecting family and friends when they return???

No. They understand that unless there are symptoms they won't infect their family and friends. If that were not the case, why are they not saying "I just got back from Liberia. Quarantine me!"

The risk of infection is low? How many HC workers have already contracted the disease? Maybe you have those numbers? We've already read about some here.

Over 300 healthcare workers have contracted the disease and half of them have died. By my (admittedly bad) math about 4% of the total deaths counted in the same manner, by the same measures.Seventeen of those were staff of MSF DWB, and 9 of them have died.

a reply to: ispyed

How did that just work out for the doctor in NYC ?? Taxi ride, bowling and subway rides.....not responsible monitoring of himself, especially for a doctor. A mandatory quarantine seems to make more sense.

The number of workers that would have to chill and play video games for 3 weeks is very low. The number of people arriving at airports and have passports from infected countries is also low. The number of people that walk into an emergency room with ebola like symptoms is extremly high and will rise through the winter. So our leader is choosing to put the whole country at risk because of a very few that would have to be monitered in isolation. I suggest that the pres himself has been exposed by the nurses he is kissing and hugging and now is showing the same irrational symptoms that the other workers have shown before they got sick.

a reply to: Phage

And at the same time two nurses wearing protective gear got it from him, they must have bath in his vomit...

Do you work at CDC or you are someone else with no experience on the matter talking over the Internet?

a reply to: Indigent

And at the same time two nurses wearing protective gear got it from him, they must have bath in his vomit...

No. They were using inadequate protective gear and were not well trained.

a reply to: Phage

Sorry, the comedy of errors is long....Vinson has a fever and takes two airplane rides after the CDC says ok....doctor returns from W.Africa and goes bowling, taxi riding and riding on a subway....CDC keeps giving us different info, while balking on stopping people from flying here from W. Africa....hundreds of healthcare workers have died in W. Africa while taking precautions.....ebola is now in 6 countries in W. Africa. Like I said, sorry, I'm for being overly cautious.

a reply to: Phage and the same people that tell us this stuff now are the ones that assured us that they were trained and protected to deal with ebola before duncan got here. from then till now what major change has taken place that makes you believe them now? it is bs dude

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I find it funny how not that long ago people on this site were freaking out about the updated guidelines regarding quarantine over signs of respiratory infection. People were claiming that it was merely a ploy by Obama to detain people in "FEMA camps." Now suddenly Obama isn't doing enough to prevent the spread of infection. So what is it ATS? Is Obama trying to detain Americans in camps or is he trying to spread this virus?

What do ya think Obama and the Administration is so ticked off about?

They got one-upped by a couple of States.

Now He can't be the first one to claim credit.

Obama must now change plans and start a blame campaign all over again.



The Administration screwed this up and now they are jealous and holding grudges as usual.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Is Obama trying to detain Americans in camps or is he trying to spread this virus?

He's trying to hold on to the Senate.

The Department of Homeland Security has sent out an alert to health care providers outlining how BATF, FBI, and U.S. Marshals will be called upon to impose mandatory quarantines in the event of a widespread swine flu outbreak in the U.S.

From; Homeland Security Issues Alert On Mandatory Quarantine Procedures
April 30, 2009

So the flu (swine flu) merits a quarantine, but Ebola doesn't.

Okay.

Puts things in perspective.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I find it funny how not that long ago people on this site were freaking out about the updated guidelines regarding quarantine over signs of respiratory infection. People were claiming that it was merely a ploy by Obama to detain people in "FEMA camps." Now suddenly Obama isn't doing enough to prevent the spread of infection. So what is it ATS? Is Obama trying to detain Americans in camps or is he trying to spread this virus?

You think that's a valid comparison? There would be no reason to institute those measures here if those who were exposed in infected countries were quarantined abroad. Nice try.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Indigent

And at the same time two nurses wearing protective gear got it from him, they must have bath in his vomit...

No. They were using inadequate protective gear and were not well trained.

Why the need for protective gear?
This disease is really hard to catch.

a reply to: conspiracytheoristIAM
You need to check your facts, and your sources. Vinson had no symptoms when she left Dallas. She had a slightly elevated temperature before she left Ohio to go back to Dallas. She called the CDC to ask if it was ok to travel back to Dallas. The threshold temperature was 100.4º, her temperature was 99.5º. Should she have travelled? Probably not. Was the staffer at the CDC who told her that she didn't meet the threshold wrong? No.

Yes, Dr. Spenser did that. And he was not symptomatic at the time. Did he puke on anyone? Crap on anyone? Did he bleed on anyone?


The CDC has been consistent in the information it has been providing.

hundreds of healthcare workers have died in W. Africa while taking precautions

Inadequate precautions when dealing directly with ebola patients who are highly symptomatic. Because adequate protection and training are hard to come by there.

a reply to: butcherguy

This disease is really hard to catch.

Unless you are exposed to the vomit, blood, and diarrhea of patients.

The States have the right to do what they think is best for their populations....period.

Obama and his minions are being overridden and the "master-in-chief" doesn't like the way that looks. Too bad. Go play some golf or kissy face with some more nurses. We are fed up with your ineptness, your agenda, your transformation of our country. In this case, the ends does NOT justify the means.

There aren't THAT many doctors and nurses to have to monitor. Why allow those who have treated Ebola patients to flit about the cities. They could be sitting on a bus and within a couple of hours develop the symptoms that enable them to transmit this disease. Where has common sense gone?

Send them to a NIH facility for 21 days. Let charitable contributions from some of these big foundations like Case or Clinton or Gates provide for them for the duration. Edited to include Doctors without Borders.

a reply to: Phage

or droplet of body fluid inthe air in close proximity dont forget that one !

Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

Sources

a reply to: Phage

You forget sweat, semen, saliva, urine and milk