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originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
Learn how spike proteins work. They don't infect you.
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I asked how can the vaccine provide immunity when its designed to kill the Covid spike protein which only appears after youre infected?
originally posted by: Boomer1947
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
Learn how spike proteins work. They don't infect you.
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I asked how can the vaccine provide immunity when its designed to kill the Covid spike protein which only appears after youre infected?
There are 2 different, common definitions of "immunity" in the English language:
1. "protection or exemption from something, especially an obligation or penalty."
2. "the state or quality of being resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen."
I think you are confusing the two definitions.
originally posted by: navigator70
I asked how can the vaccine provide immunity when its designed to kill the Covid spike protein which only appears after youre infected?
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
I asked how can the vaccine provide immunity when its designed to kill the Covid spike protein which only appears after youre infected?
That's exactly how every vaccine works. They aren't forcefields that bounce viruses and bacteria away from your body.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: navigator70
While the study claims it also provides systemic protection as well as mucosal it works the same way as any other vaccine in that it induces strong production of IgG and IgA, as well as a local T cell response. So I assume the T cells work the same way, in that, they respond to the spike protein wherever it may be in the body.
Thats not the point.
How can the jab provide immunity if its designed to program your immune system to attack the spike protein?
Once the spike protein is in your blood, youre already infected. In other words, you have to be infected before the jab starts having any intended affect.
I believe you are not infected because the jab does not contain live virus so it works by alerting the T cells to the spike protein is how I understand it.
The jab creates the spike protein to train your immune system how to recognize and attack it. Therefore, the spike protein must already be in your blood for it to work.
The spike protein comes from the virus not the vaccine.
The jab creates a spike protein as well, otherwise how does it train your immune system to detect and kill it?
But youre still ignoring the fact that it cannot give you immunity because you have to be infected before the jab can start working as designed.
...as I understand it, perhaps you need to research this further.
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
I understand how it works, what I dont understand is so many people fell for the lie that it provides any immunity or protection from infection. It does neither.
Natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before you ever get infected.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
I understand how it works, what I dont understand is so many people fell for the lie that it provides any immunity or protection from infection. It does neither.
Natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before you ever get infected.
Well it does provide protection but your definition of what the protection entails is skewed.
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
I understand how it works, what I dont understand is so many people fell for the lie that it provides any immunity or protection from infection. It does neither.
Natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before you ever get infected.
Well it does provide protection but your definition of what the protection entails is skewed.
Protection from what? By design it cannot protect you from infection. It’s designed to respond only after you’re already infected.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
I understand how it works, what I dont understand is so many people fell for the lie that it provides any immunity or protection from infection. It does neither.
Natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before you ever get infected.
Well it does provide protection but your definition of what the protection entails is skewed.
Protection from what? By design it cannot protect you from infection. It’s designed to respond only after you’re already infected.
Correct, the fighting response is the protection.
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: navigator70
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: navigator70
No its not. There are numerous types of vaccines and they all function different. Covid vaccine is the first that doesnt provide any immunity or protection from infection.
It's honestly embarrassing to see someone so confident in their knowledge about vaccines, start a thread about vaccines. I feel sorry for you.
Really? I just asked a question. Ksihkahe put it much better than I ever could though. Maybe you could comment on this paragraph?
The point is that the antibody response from the vaccines is not halting infection at the mucosal membranes. On top of that it's causing IgG4 class switching, which causes your immune system to ignore the very thing the vaccines are supposed to prime it to fight. It also impairs adaptive immunity. This combination of factors is why the vaccinated have increased risk of infection and more persistent respiratory symptoms. They're prone to being constantly sick if they got active doses and continue to harm their immune system with further injections. IgG4 means your immune response against COVID in the respiratory mucosa is likely to have reduced response, with the vaccine moderated response doing nothing until infection has progressed beyond.
The vaccine's effectiveness wears off with time and it also has to do with viral load, so these factors also need to be taken into account. Not everyone's immune system can be generalized into a little neat box.
The way the jab functions has zero to do with an individuals immune system.
What effectiveness are you referring to exactly? Because if the jab trains your immune system to attack the spike protein, its not protecting you from infection. Its only trying to kill it after youre already infected.
So not sure why we should take something into account that is based on lies.
By design, the jab cannot protect you from infection.
The jab's purpose is to activate T-cells and if your health is compromised or your immune system is compromised that also plays a part in how the body fights off infection. Yes, infection will still be in the body. I'm not sure why you don't understand how this works.
I understand how it works, what I dont understand is so many people fell for the lie that it provides any immunity or protection from infection. It does neither.
Natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before you ever get infected.
Well it does provide protection but your definition of what the protection entails is skewed.
Protection from what? By design it cannot protect you from infection. It’s designed to respond only after you’re already infected.
Correct, the fighting response is the protection.
Protection from what? If you’re already infected, what is it protecting you from?
It sounds like you have no problem with the lies they told us to get the jab in everyone’s arm?
Seems like a much better alternative would be building your natural immunity to protect you from getting infected in the first place. But the CDC, big Pharma, and all the medical experts told us just the opposite.
originally posted by: navigator70
This is my first thread so please excuse any mistakes or deviations from the guidelines. I will be happy to correct them, thanks.
I have been wondering ever since the release of the CV jab how it can produce immunity if it is designed to respond to the spike protein in the blood stream?
Once the spike protein is in your blood stream, youre already infected. Where as natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before it ever infects you and gets into your blood stream.
According to the experts in This study...
Intramusculary injected vaccines cannot induce immunity in the mucosal tissues of the airways, which is the the site of SARS2 entry
More here...
originally posted by: BaddieMcBadass
Seeing as this is your first thread, I think the long time members are giving you a lot of leeway. Some helpful advice… I would slow your roll on things like “obviously you need to research” and other condescending things you have been saying in responses. That isn’t how things really have ever worked here. The best it will do is get you a “go back to Reddit” from the longer term members, lol.