Freemasons - What can you share?

originally posted by: Grenade
Thank you, is there a reason why the head of state is pictured in each lodge?

They aren't. In our lodge the only four people with pictures in the lodge room are our three Past Grand Masters and George Washington. The Washington portrait was sent out in the early 1900's to every lodge in the country when plans for his Masonic Memorial were finalizing.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: mysterioustranger

Don't i need a sponsor or recommendation? Seems that door is locked and i'm missing a key.

find a mason, any mason, and tell him you want to know more. That will begin your journey.
The three degrees, Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master are the three most important degrees. This is a little confusing but if you join and learn, it will make sense. The Third degree master mason is the highest degree in Freemasonry. You can join the Scottish Rite and get your 4th - 32nd degree (usually over 2 days of seeing plays that teach morality, charity, and brotherly love). The extra degrees don't give you any more power, I was made a 32nd degree mason before I knew much about any of it. I have since been through the chairs and was master in 2013. As a past master I have the power to vote on amendments and code changes as they arise. But I have yet to see piles of gold.

you mentioned esoteric studies. Lodge freemasonry teaches you very basic lessons and offers you ways to get more knowledge. You have to go and get it, nobody will bring it to you. But once you are a mason, you can easily find the brothers who can point you to different groups that specialize in those studies. We currently have a certificate program for more knowledge called the "Master Craftsman" program. It's self study I think, but offers much more information than standard blue lodge. I guess the main point is, you will find whatever you are looking for if you truly want to find it. You get out, what you put in.

I joined in 2007 and my only regret today is not joining earlier. If you have any other questions, just let me know.

a reply to: Grenade

Your questions are so bland and basic that this seems like an exercise to allow Free Masons to promote their cult, it is as if the Internet speculation and exposes of such has completely passed you by and thus not really worthy of a reply, but if you really want to know watch this, it might seem unrelated but the Chaos Cultist and the Free Mason are one and the same thing, in that their Order is always entirely destructive and thus something of a contradiction in terms.

originally posted by: Floralbalm
Source a man working for MI6, 33rd degree Mason.

Ah well, a man from MI6 you say? Oh jeez, then your post MUST be accurate!

Hear that, @AugustusMasonicus? This guy knows someone from MI6! Therefore it has to be true.

I don’t really know too much about Masonry practiced in the US, but here in the UK, The Blue Lodge has 3 degrees: Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason.

After that there’s Royal Arch which has the 4th degree and gives a more ‘accurate’ description of the 3rd degree from Craft.

Then there’s the Yorke Rite, which I believe has all these degrees up to 33, which AugustusM already alluded to, is very often little participation to attain the degrees.

As for all the nefarious Hollywood horsesh*t you people believe in - well, I don’t know. My lodge is nothing like what you believe it to be. Just a bunch of like minded, wanting-to-do-good chaps who enjoy the company of other like minded fellows. We pay our lodge fees and alms during LOI, about £35 for a sh*t festive board meal (yeh i know, i don’t believe it either!) and then have a drink in our bar afterwards.

No one sacrifices animals or babies or is part of the made-up NWO. It’s actually pretty boring at times.

I wish I never was curious and never looked behind the curtain because all you find there are serial killers, dead bodies in mills, drugs, raped and eaten children and aristocrats running the underworld.

You watch too much tv

The truth comes out.

Maybe, but not from you by the sounds of it.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Hear that, @AugustusMasonicus? This guy knows someone from MI6! Therefore it has to be true..

I have a corner office at Langley and the penthouse at Bletchley.

originally posted by: Floralbalm
These floors are used in satanism to perform rituals on, such as calling up demonic entities, spirits and perform killings on it (sacrifice they call it).

I have stepped on such floors and needed to immediately step off it again. A spiritually dead person might not feel it, but I could feel dark and occult energies entering me the moment my foot touched it.

This was in a Catholic church, where thousands were trodding on it as if it didn't exist.

People who haven't 'felt it' would likely dismiss your post in its entirety.

Welcome to ATS!!

a reply to: Grenade

why the Queen is so prevalent in lodge imagery? Whenever i've been in a lodge in the UK there's always a picture of her pride of place.

I've got a family member who is in a UK lodge.

This is really just tradition. Pretty much all old institutions in the have a picture of the current monarch somewhere prominent. It's like a club or society in the US having the national flag.

a reply to: Grenade

My family has been in the Masons for almost 300 years.

1. An old friend i know told me the main objective is "to make good men, better".
2. The chequerboard floor represents the chequered walk of life, the good and bad that we all experience.
3. There are only 3 degrees, Apprentice, Journeyman and Master.
4. There could be more degrees however these are reserved for nobility and royalty.
5. The vast majority of time spent in a lodge is just socialising.
6. Lodges are obliged to donate to charity.

1) I guess, yes. Maybe not in those exact words
2) There's more to it, but in essence it represents the concept that there are two sides to everything. It's also symbolic of design on the temple of Solomon
3) Different flavors of free masons have different numbers. The flavor that my family are in only has 3 levels. It's not a Scottish Rights lodge which has more
4) Not entirely true, different groups of Masons have different numbers. In the lodge that my family are in there are only 3 levels and they are open to all. The idea that everyone is essentially equal is important, a noble or a royal would be no better and no worse in the eyes of the lodge than any other member
5) True
6) Also true. Often number 5 is dedicated to number 6.

Also, I've never knowingly met a space lizard in the Masons. Shape shifting or otherwise. Mostly it's just like a country club, but less snobby.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The majority of time spent in Lodge is not about socializing.

For Degree nights we only do the minimum required amount of business and then immediately conduct the Degree. On business nights we have a strict agenda that needs to be followed after which we may have a guest speaker or presentation that is somehow related to Masonry. Social time takes place after the meetings, downstairs during collation.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The majority of time spent in Lodge is not about socializing.

For Degree nights we only do the minimum required amount of business and then immediately conduct the Degree. On business nights we have a strict agenda that needs to be followed after which we may have a guest speaker or presentation that is somehow related to Masonry. Social time takes place after the meetings, downstairs during collation.

I'm counting guest speakers and presentations as being socializing. They're for entertainment, education or self improvement, not the running of the lodge or the organization of events.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
I'm counting guest speakers and presentations as being socializing.

Those are infrequent, most business meetings are just that, business. Chit chat is not something that is condoned or encouraged.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

These things vary from lodge to lodge. My family became involved with Masonry through trades such as carpentry and shipwrighting, and through the steel mills. We weren't bankers or oligarchs. They all came up as apprentices.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
These things vary from lodge to lodge.

Not in New Jersey, the business meeting agendas are part of the By Laws and the prohibitions on what can be discussed have to meet that requirement. Each Lodge follows the same agenda regardless of what town their in and there are regular audits by the Grand Lodge staff.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm not American.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
I'm not American.

Ah, that's what I always try to mention New Jersey when I post about what I know. I've been to a bunch of other states and it's similar to what we do here.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In NC its the same. Business is done during lodge meetings, and chit chat is before during the meal. Since it's against Lucifers rules to partake of Drink in NC outside of a Shrine meeting, we abstain from any libations after the meeting, and may have a nice glass of sweet tea before heading home. The fun stuff happens during the preparation for the Scottish Rite degrees. Stories and jokes a plenty. But lodge meetings and ritual is serious and treated as such.

originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: Grenade

Your questions are so bland and basic that this seems like an exercise to allow Free Masons to promote their cult, it is as if the Internet speculation and exposes of such has completely passed you by and thus not really worthy of a reply, but if you really want to know watch this, it might seem unrelated but the Chaos Cultist and the Free Mason are one and the same thing, in that their Order is always entirely destructive and thus something of a contradiction in terms.

What part of Freemasonry do you consider to be a cult and why?

a reply to: Madrusa

They’re evil yet every mason who’s responded so far has been respectful and courteous. Have you shown the same patience to me for asking simple questions? I think I’ll believe people who actually know what they’re talking about rather than some paranoid YouTube video.

originally posted by: Grenade
They’re evil yet every mason who’s responded so far has been respectful and courteous.

YOU'RE A ROTTEN BASTID!

There, now the other guy is correct.

a reply to: network dude

The bit that derives from Sethian Gnosticism, ie all of it...

The Three Steles of Seth clearly represents the same system as Allogenes; yet it is constructed as a triptych of presentations of praise and blessing to Autogenes, Barbelo, and the pre-existent One in connection with a communal practice of a three-stage ascent and descent. After an initial revelation and various blessings rendered by Seth who praises the bisexual Geradamas as Mirothea (his mother) and Mirotheos (his father), the rest of the treatise uses the first person plural for ascribing praise to the Triple Male, to Barbelo who arose from the Triple Powered One (characterized by being, living and knowing, and is also called Kalyptos and Protophanes), and to the pre-existent One who is characterized by the existence life mind triad. The whole concludes with a rubric that explains the use of the steles in the practice of descent from the third to the second to the first; likewise, the way of ascent is the way of descent.

Now as far as the cult of Seth relates to the four chaos Gods of the Warhammer Universe,

Tzeentch, also known as the "Changer of Ways," the "Lord of Change," "Lord of Sorcery," and the "Architect of Fate," among many other names and titles, is the Chaos God of change, evolution, mutation, intrigue, ambition, knowledge, sorcery, destiny, lies and trickery. Tzeentch is especially empowered by the desire for change and ambition for advancement among mortals.

That's change that is always for the worst, what is commonly known as the Progressive Agenda, it also involves cheating and deception, Masonic privilege warping greater society, advancement of the lowest forms of humanity.

A devotee of Khorne is as likely to be an honourable champion in combat as a blood-crazed slaughterer. Khornates take no artful approach to killing, seeking only to slay rather than to inflict pain, because while the blood and death of their victims strengthens Khorne, their suffering actually empowers its nemesis Slaanesh.

This change generally involves killing everyone who doesn't like the sound of this, we can consider the role of Free Masons in all revolutions such as the American, French, Russian, Chinese, Cambodian, and the Mountain of skulls this produces.

Slaanesh is the Lord of Pleasure, the Dark God dedicated to the pursuit of earthly gratification and the overthrow of all decent behaviour, as well as hedonism and pleasure for its own sake. It is the god of obsession, the Master of Excess in All Things, from gluttony to lust to megalomania. Its sacred number is six and the colours associated with Slaanesh are riotous purples, pinks and black. The daemonic armies of Slaanesh are known as the Legions of Excess.

Since the time of the Hell Fire clubs and long before the Liberal Free Mason has subverted all normative moral values and integrity of the family and society, creating hierarchical inner organizations were extreme Liberality can be practised.

Nurgle is the Chaos God most directly involved with the plight of mortals, particularly Humans who suffer so acutely from a fear of death, perhaps the oldest fear of that species, or any other. While Nurgle is the god of death and decay, it is also the god of rebirth. Decay is simply one part of the cycle of life, without which no new life could grow. In the same way, Nurgle is also the god of perseverance and survival.

Rebirth is a major aspect of Masonic tradition, the transcendence of individuality, mortality, and humanity in terms of the organic collective of a Masonic body that never dies, a self edifice of living stones the symbolic final form of which is based on a non-descript Temple of the Middle Bronze Age period which has already been found wanting on a couple of occasions.

There is no aspect of Free Masonry that can be taken seriously, it is entirely nihilistic and the apologetics of the lower lesser cultists are exactly on the same level as those made for the Chaos Gods and their minions in the video were the Devils advocate is played.