Recent information I have "acquired" - Not for the feint-hearted

Ok, first, we are going to talk about time and causality, as is known, an object, travelling in "space" must affect another object in order to alter its vector. However, a person, "an object" is sentient, and can willfully "change directions" - of course, the "cannonball" will continue to travell around the globe, theoretically, however, a person can go as he or she pleases.

Now, the "observer effect" - now we know, that human sight, or even, the sight through an apparatus can affect causality, as once observed, the phenomenon is different.

This is important, if you cannot "see" phenomenon, then, another observer, can observe that phenomenon, and change it, and you would observe a different outcome.

Lets now assume that these "other observers" have isolated all of thier "observations" from you.

Thus, they would observe and experience a different pheomenon that you observed and experienced.

Lets take it up a notch - consider a collective mental control grid, that has the same effect on us and the "others" obviously do not. The "grid" itself managed by a third party - the third side

Now, time to get a bit "occult" and say that entire events can be "isolated from observation" - time for this - the flood as described in religious text.

So, there was a flood, we survived, and the other continents were washed over, however, they were in the control grid and did not experience this phenomenon, so, for them, they have different lands to explore, and our surviving remenants have been isolated on the landmasses that we inhabit.

So, there is another "non-flood" timeline, there is our "flood" timeline, and the third being the control matrix that keeps both times connected to a master algorithm.

A) So - whom and what are there?
B)So - whom was responsible for the "flood"
B)i) Or, was it just another predictable natural disaster?
C) Who are they to us?
C)i) And, what on Earth goes on there?

Well, lets pose the "controllers" - they cannot make a "choice" and the "grid" would decide, thus, being a dynamic function of checks and balances, most likley a dynamic equilibrium equation.

For example, Supply and Demand:
a) Excess supply, reduced demand.
b) Excess demand, less supply.

Thus, produce, or, sell, thus outcome 1) or outcome 2)

Outcome 1) and outcome 2) thus being the dynamic eqilibrium function of the "grid" itself.

Thus, "New World Order" is the result, perhaps, we survived too, and they were the remenants, this being, "the switch" or, the "cross-over".

So whom are they? They are another species and they eat our ape-like forbears like we slurp squishees from Homermart.

What is the info you have acquired? What is the not for the fient of heart ? You're not really clear in your post.

AutumnWitch657
What is the info you have acquired? What is the not for the fient of heart ? You're not really clear in your post.

It's known as....

B.S.

reply to post by butcherguy


Thanks but I need bangorak to answer for himself.

GET ON TOPIC !!!!

reply to post by SystemResistor

Now, the "observer effect" - now we know, that human sight, or even, the sight through an apparatus can affect causality, as once observed, the phenomenon is different.

I have many of the same questions. I am of the belief that the observer does influence what is being observed. But it is our perception, our state of mind that determines what we are seeing. Creating your own reality. We can however, consider the observations of others and make agreements on them, there by allowing their reality to co-mingle with ours.

If you have never read or listened to Bruce Lipton, you may want to, as he articulates many of his findings that answer some of your questions.

AutumnWitch657

Bangorak

AutumnWitch657
What is the info you have acquired? What is the not for the fient of heart ? You're not really clear in your post.

Attention whore/reli-nut alert

I'm sorry but did you just call me an attention whore ?
Your answer will determine if I alert a mod or not.

No, not at all.
As BG noted : "I took it that it was directed at the OP."

My reaction just added to yours. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

reply to post by SystemResistor


I believe what you're implying is Human consciousness is programmed by our ET "controllers" who shape which paradigm we adhere to, thus our collective belief systems create the world in which we live. Humans are the ultimate creators of reality while our controllers program our thoughts to align with their own agenda.

Either the "controllers" numbers are too few to affect realities, or perhaps they lack the ability to create physical realities like Humans do, and so they harness our consciousness ?

Watch cable TV in the morning. The social "programming" is blatantly evident, imo. The movie, "They Live", comes to mind.

Your theory ties in nicely with the latest prediction Courtney Brown thread:

Courtney Brown's Implication Posting #13 "In the past, extraterrestrials have occasionally intervened in human affairs by causing a change in the beliefs of the masses. Some extraterrestrials have acted like gods to cause humans to believe in slavery and suffering. Other extraterrestrials have acted like gods to cause humans to believe in the end of slavery and suffering. But always this involved changing beliefs, and acting like gods is an easy trick to change the beliefs of the many. Our perceptions define our experiences, since we can only experience what we perceive. And our perceptions are only limited by our beliefs. We will always see and experience what we believe to be true. "

transients.info

AutumnWitch657
What is the info you have acquired? What is the not for the fient of heart ? You're not really clear in your post.

OP?


any answer in what you acquired so the one need not use their cryptic abilities to decipher what your saying.


Is it written in this fashion so those that understand will also have the cognitive strength of being able to handle this not feint of heart revelation?

reply to post by hurdygurdy


Aliens don't do it. Human s do it with their own thoughts and observations.

reply to post by AutumnWitch657


I don't believe that. Real Humans are beautiful and good. Take a walk in a pristine woods or hold a new born baby. Why would a Human create that paradigm and also manifest greed and war ?

Edit: I do agree with your post to an extent, however I believe an outside force guides our observations forming our thoughts, thus altering our intentions.

It depends on the scenario, but mostly depend on the third (controller) motives and agenda.

1. If the second (observer) knew the controller is controlling, lots of outcome can be derived
a) A joint venture between the controller and observer
b) Ignoring the controller, because it doesnt affect the observer
c) Informing the first (experiencer) about the matter, which I believe is not the case here.

In all these 3 outcome, the master would be the controller and the observer will mostly do a joint venture - option A would be the common scenario, reason is - observer aware what is happening.

2. If observer also does not aware the controller agenda, then its safe to assume observer also on equal footing with experiencer, even though they did not experience it. The controller will still be the master.

3. If its a random event, same as scenario 2 above, however the controller will become as an observer only, not a master.

In all case and scenario, the experiencer will never knew what hit them unless revealed by an observer/controller.

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Case study for easier understanding: Big fish in aquarium (flood), small fish in same aquarium (experiencer), a cat looking from outside the aquarium (observer) and pet owner watching, controlling and manipulating them (controller).

The small fish never knew what hit them too bad.

reply to post by SystemResistor


I am not criticizing your thread in any way, but this "observer" effect seems to be something that can be explained
in much simpler terms (or maybe somewhere in between?)

For instance, there is a large bay window in my house. I often wonder what the odds are of a projectile not only going through
the window, but hitting me as well. All of the time spent gathering the info, variables,statistics/formulas,etc. and then working them out
would obviously affect the amount of time and the number of times--thus the "odds"-- that I would normally spend walking through that part of the house therefore giving me incorrect , or at the very least vastly incomplete answers; though for the duration of my study the answers would appear accurate. I get what you are hypothesizing (I think I do..) but if you were to break it down (if you could) into simpler or what I call "lowest common denominator" terms, what example could you use?

Thanks!

SystemResistor
This is important, if you cannot "see" phenomenon, then, another observer, can observe that phenomenon, and change it, and you would observe a different outcome.

Kind of... but taken out of context... as this subject is an area of my research the following video might make it clearer.



Peace,

Korg.

reply to post by NullVoid


After reading your post I thought about events being random or controlled. The fish tank scenario was pretty clear; but now
I have a new question: To what extent can events be controlled? The owner seems to be in control, yet is really only influencing
the probability of an event. Don't get me wrong, I comprehend the basic idea of the scenario completely, and am probably annoying everyone, but how do we KNOW just how random or controlled (even if we ourselves are or PERCEIVE ourselves the controllers) an event is? It just seems impossible for ANY event to be either completely random or completely controlled and perhaps we are ALL simultaneously experiencing, observing, and to a relative extent controlling events; the difference is in our individual agendas and how these agendas interact. I apologize in advance! My mind is still in 4am mode as I have severe insomnia as of late which tends to make me even goofier than usual. Thanks for humoring me.

reply to post by bangoli


If we are the experiencer (I assume so by the OP text), we will NEVER know, except through intervention from observer or the controller themselves.

On controller, awareness and manipulation of event/misdirection/guide is almost 100%, but the outcome usually are not controllable. For near 100% random event also acceptable but still the outcome is not controlable.

Simple scenario:
Aliens abduct a person, brainwash him and send back as a prophet to teach human about God and universe etc. Its 100% controllable - abduct anytime, brainwash whatever they like, show off some magic for people to accept that guy as prophet.

Outcome: People probably treat that guy as God himself. Not as expected! Further guidance may lead to further misunderstanding/misinterpretation or correction performed. Also, people might think the guy insane and kill/jail him, not as expected. Its a trial, error and debug/repair situation. As said above, direct intervention is the key. Once the alien landed and the guy re explained, then it all should be clear.

We cannot be the experiencer and observer or controller at the same time, pick only one. I'm saying we are - experiencer, because we have yet found any other race.

A challenge to the Christians and Muslims, if somebody exactly as prophesied Jesus fly down and explain who is the real God, would you accept it ? If you say NO, will you say yes if after that, a UFO/alien land and tell exactly the same thing ? How do you know which is the anti and which is christ ? Its a form of intervention and we the experiencer are pretty much manipulatable. About NWO, how about some evil people staging/acting that ? Where will you lean/believe ?

Observer view
An observer have choices, ignore it, believe the "real" story or participate in the "real" story. If observer did not aware 3rd party/controller exist, they have fir 2 choice. If they aware of 3rd party, then all 3 choice are open for them.

It should be noted that to be a controller/master, you MUST be aware of the observer exist, if you do not aware of that 2nd party, you fall into "experiencer" category (cat secretly watch pet owner cleaning aquarium, await good time to steal the fish, pet owner experience fish suddenly stolen, fish experience being eaten). In this case, there are no controller/master exist.

Because of my religion background, the OP story is quite easy for me to interpret.