Plasma Ribbon Confirms Electric Sun

reply to post by Mary Rose



Mary, it is quite ironic that you question the very thought of questioning the motives of the alternative scene and the 'proving of the alternative'

And then you strike back typically with a general statement about the mainstream being corrupt or lying, behind dishonest, or in this case, accuse the mainstream of tacking things on to gravitational models. You question the modern, and promote theories that have long since been proven incorrect that date sometimes back to the 1800s, yet you do not allow basic gravitation to exist, or thing that it is somehow wrong because its old. the Irony is truly spectacular.

Mary, bad mouthing the mainstream doesn't make an alternative argument correct. just though id let you know that, since, you seem to run into this mistake quite a lot.

You will notice that there is a whole stack of evidence or at least good logical questions that get asked... and yet... you never approach any of them. You will also notice that the alternatives that you suggest do not answer any questions beyond groundless claims. It really is sometimes like people trying to convince each other that because horses exist, that unicorns must exist too.

Mary Rose
I don't believe the theory is sketchy at all.

OK not sketchy?

Let me suggest a few very sketchy things here.

1) Power generation of the sun How? if not gravitation and pressure/nuclear driven.
2) Neutrinos from the sun, How if not nuclear
3) If it is all electrostatic driven, Lagrangian points in each orbit of the planets and the asteroids that have stable orbits there. How?
4) What potential difference is required between the sun and the planets to hold their orbits. Is there anything physical about each body to suggest they have such a difference.
5) Uranus rotates on its side, its orbit should be extremely unlike the other planets. Yet, other than it being apparently on its side, the orbit is fine.
6) Each star in the universe... same charge? what is the mechanism for generating different stellar types if not gravitation and nuclear driven?
7) How do you seed the universe we see with the chemical elements we see, if not nuclear and driven by alpha freeze out?
8) explain the HR diagram in terms of each star groups luminosity, apparent size and in some cases, generation of degenerate matter and the clearly distinguishable stellar remnants.

The list can go on and on and on... soooooo while what i am doing in this post is asking for evidence, which sounds like a "Prove me wrong" statement, but what it is is actually a "Prove yourself right" which is what the mainstream asks every day. And the alternative plug there ears and ignore.

reply to post by KrzYma


here is short one from Eric Dollard exactly about The Sun

reply to post by ErosA433


Eros You try for one day of your life time pay attention what Eric Dollard have to say about electricity and You may throw Your education in this field out of the window
trust me, no offence here
peace and

Blue Shift
Why is it so important to some people that the sketchy "electric universe" notion be proven correct?

I suspect that people with low self-esteem have an innate desire to try and knock down what they perceive as an established hierarchy of authority or power, in an effort to gain more themselves.

What's so sketchy about it? It's an alternative theory. An interesting one too - that there are electric currents running between all the stars. We've established that they have gravitational fields as well as electromagnetic fields. From our knowledge of Earth's magnetic field, all the small local variations blend together until you get the classic dipole at long distances.
This applies to the Sun too - all those loops of plasma shooting off in all directions show where the local magnetic fields are running. That plasma and solar wind consists of particles of all types (hydrogen nucleii, protons, electrons, neutrinos). So there's the theory that these particle streams could act as "electric wires" in the vacuum of space. Neutral atoms would act as an insulator, while the negative and positive streams would act as live and ground wires.

Already saw that video and i nearly had an aneurism because of 100% of what he was saying was not lucid or logical at all. For even it to make sense I would have to forget everything, start over my education and quit when it got to grade school. I am quite serious.

This video is the ramblings of a broken mind.

So I ask give up one day of your life and pay attention to the universe around you and less attention to lusting so much for... well for generally anything that is so far out of the box that you don't even know where the box is, or even what is inside the box in the first place.

reply to post by ErosA433


thanks for Your words.
did You ever thought that really all what they teach us is half truth or lie in full? me 15 years after school not. but now i just find more and more what is not like they teach us. not only in Electrochemical fields but in all fields. "History" field is one good example of BIG LIE.
never mind. by the way i am avion electrician from my young age. work for army of one small european state and i am not crazy or ill or something, but i can see the point what Eric Dollard have. he is Tesla of our time!!

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ErosA433
Already saw that video and i nearly had an aneurism because of 100% of what he was saying was not lucid or logical at all.

Which video? He's lucid in some, and not lucid at all in others.

He starts out pretty lucid in this video and actually gives a decent account of the history of electricity:

Eric Dollard - History and Theory of Electricity



But in the following video, he's not lucid and says there's nothing in the sun, it's empty, no nuclear fusion inside, just in the solar flares, and things which are easily demonstrated to be false:

The Sun is Not What we We Have Been Told.... Eric Dollard


The reason people like to believe nonsense like this was explained by a psychiatrist. For one thing, studying the real science and math is hard, and beyond the capabilities of many people. Those that have the aptitude and the interest do that. Those who don't may tend to feel inferior that they don't understand the math, etc, but they have found a way to feel good. Claiming that mainstream is wrong and that some guy whose video is on youtube knows better than mainstream gives people a way to feel good about themselves. It releases endorphins and makes them feel superior that they know things that the mainstream doesn't acknowledge.

However the sad fact is, this is a delusional fantasy in many cases, and as demonstrated in this thread and others, there is never any real scientific debate of facts and evidence, which some people here are willing and able to debate. There is no doubt that Eric Dollard's claims about the hollow sun fall apart at the slightest amount of true scientific inquiry, in that it wouldn't have the gravitational attraction needed to keep the planets in orbit, and no alternate mechanism offered by Dollard or anybody else explains the orbits in any rational way that stands up to observation, like gravity does.

There are lots of things that mainstream science isn't really sure about. Whether the sun is hollow or not isn't one of them.

well here is another theory how the Sun may work

reply to post by Arbitrageur


well, accepting everything somebody else is telling you could be defined as psychological dependency.
It is so much easier to repeat like a parrot and get everything served instead of real thinking.

Besides, this all is just a theory, your theory, his theory, my theory...

how many corrections to Einstein's both theories have been made??
oh... wait... QT and string theory validated the other ones, so witch one is on Discovery now ??

KrzYma
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well, accepting everything somebody else is telling you could be defined as psychological dependency.
It is so much easier to repeat like a parrot and get everything served instead of real thinking.

Exactly my friend. And what do we see in every one of these anti-mainstream science threads?

Every poster saying mainstream is wrong can only repeat like a parrot what the anti-mainstream people say.

On the other hand, the people who think for themselves can debate facts and evidence, but the debates never happen because nobody against the mainstream ever has any facts to debate, they just parrot nonsense they don't even understand.

KrzYma
well here is another theory how the Sun may work

He comes up with this "ether" theory because he can't believe the sun is shrinking, or losing mass, but he never explains how he knows it's not losing mass at the rate of 4 tons per second.

At least he doesn't claim the sun is hollow like Dollard.

He also doesn't seem to understand that in a nuclear device that uses fission to start a fusion reaction, that intense pressures inside the sun can be created by gravity so fission isn't required in the sun for fusion to occur like with a nuclear bomb.

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I like the fact that he is talking about the ether.

Mary Rose
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I like the fact that he is talking about the ether.

ether HAS to be present, has to be !

I have also this video, an experiment done by Dollard.
If you go to mark 20:00 you will see how light produces an attraction force... is this what we call gravity ??


interesting !!!

BTW: if somebody argues on this, it is an electrostatic effect, NO! it is NOT
why? I skip the answer, this is basic understanding of electric charges

reply to post by Arbitrageur


gravitational attraction needed to keep the planets in orbit... is just theory! it may work some other way then gravitational attraction!!
why not???? i am open for other theories. cos why not??? we know nothing for sure! that is only i can agree with...

Is there a thread here that explains what EU theory is in near layman's terms and what it means for us?

reply to post by 3n19m470


it means that gravity theory of the universe is slowly sinking...
and that "electric theory of the universe" and how it affect us and everything around us is slowly popping up...

ZakOlongapo
gravitational attraction needed to keep the planets in orbit... is just theory! it may work some other way then gravitational attraction!!
why not???? i am open for other theories. cos why not??? we know nothing for sure! that is only i can agree with...

Let me rephrase that. We can never prove a scientific theory to be correct to 100% certainty, in fact the definition of science is that it MUST be falsifiable.

On the other hand, we can be 100% sure some ideas are wrong when they contradict observation. Electric powered sun contradicts observation, hollow sun contradicts observation, so yes we CAN be sure those ideas are wrong.

But gravity theory may not be complete and scientists are still evaluating alternatives like MOND, etc, but the bullet cluster observations don't seem to point to MOND as the sole answer.

As evidence that gravitational theory is correct, look at the accuracy of probe trajectories like those of voyager based on our gravitational models. How can those be explained with alternate theories? To say you don't know how to explain observations with the alternate theories just shows there is no intelligent debate on the alternate ideas, because we can explain observations in our solar system very well with our gravitational theory, and deploy interplanetary probes accurately.

reply to post by 3n19m470


This is from their Introduction to the electric universe theory:

The New Picture of Space

Now more than ever, the exploration of our starry Universe excites the imagination. Never before has space presented so many pathways for research and discovery.

New observational tools enable us to “see” formerly-invisible portions of the electromagnetic spectrum, and the view is spectacular. Telescope images in X-ray, radio, infrared and ultraviolet light reveal exotic structure and intensely energetic events that continually redefine the quest as a whole.

Spectrographic interpretation has grown hand-in-hand with faster, large-memory computers and programs, in sophistication and in broad scientific data processing, imaging and modeling capability.

Standing out amidst an avalanche of new images is the greatest surprise of the space age: evidence for pervasive electric currents and magnetic fields across the universe, all connecting and animating what once appeared as isolated islands in space. The intricate details revealed are not random, but exhibit the unique behavior of charged particles in plasma under the influence of electric currents.

The telltale result is a complex of magnetic fields and associated electromagnetic radiation. We see the effects on and above the surface of the Sun, in the solar wind, in plasma structures around planets and moons, in the exquisite structure of nebulas, in the high-energy jets of galaxies, and across the unfathomable distances between galaxies.

Thanks to the technology of the 20th century, astronomers of the 21st century will confront an extraordinary possibility. The evidence suggests that intergalactic currents, originating far beyond the boundaries of galaxies themselves, directly affect galactic evolution. The observed fine filaments and electromagnetic radiation in intergalactic and interstellar plasma are the signature of electric currents. Even the power lighting the galaxies’ constituent stars may indeed be found in electric currents winding through galactic space.

It was long thought that only gravity could do “work” or act effectively across cosmic distances. But perspectives in astronomy are rapidly changing. Specialists trained in the physics of electricity and magnetism have developed new insights into the forces active in the cosmos. A plausible conclusion emerges. Not gravity alone, but electricity and gravity have shaped and continue to shape the universe we now observe.

www.thunderbolts.info...

3n19m470
Is there a thread here that explains what EU theory is in near layman's terms and what it means for us?

Nobody has ever explained coherently an electric powered sun, so no you won't find any explanation. This is why physicsforums closes the electric sun thread every time one is opened, because they ask for some basic information like, "draw the circuit diagram illustrating the electric power for the sun", and nobody can. So there's really no sound theory, just hand waving while reciting nonsense arguments to the scientifically illiterate.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


truth is that... how you say that "we can be 100% sure some ideas are wrong" is only cos YOU want them to be wrong! cos it das not suits YOU... give me a brake please.
if You say that You are 100% sure, i give up.... for me You are the one who is 1000% wrong... cos you have no more info then i do on this planet, do You?
we know very little for a made up purpose, cos we are just slaves with limited usage of the brain we all have... why? why???
but generation after generation we have some kind offfff slow awakening going on DNA fights back, or is it virus? )))