UFO's and how they travel between stars

reply to post by LUXUS


You should describe this 'strange experience' you had. We can then take it from there.

You know UFO's travel between stars? Or is that an assumption? What if they don't?

reply to post by LUXUS

I never said it is better but the warp drives you suggest is not used for star to star travel but shorter distances.

No one said you did, a question was asked as you brought up Warp drive and star trek in your OP.

No, the poster suggested his warp drive could go from anywhere to anywhere in the universe in an instant,


You suggested its for shorter distances.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


There are two forces at work one that attracts energy towards the dark sphere and the waves that are generated at the surface of the sphere. The coldness is actually at the surface of the dark sphere because the matter around it is at a lower energy level.

These craft can warp but they have a jump limit depending on the size of the reactor at their center. No craft can jump the diameter of our galaxy. The Sun is the only method to jump massive distances. If a craft has to do it without using the sun it does so in multiple jumps the number of jumps required depending on the capacity of the core, also its more dangerous as you might warp out near or in a physical object.

reply to post by LUXUS

The Sun is the only method to jump massive distances.

No its not,

arent you reading your own thread?

The other poster suggested that the warp drive they have in mind can go from anywhere to anywhere in the universe in a instant.

If a craft has to do it without using the sun it does so in multiple jumps the number of jumps required depending on the capacity of the core, also its more dangerous as you might warp out near or in a physical object.

Really, you haven't thought much about this idea of yours have you?


Wouldn't a civilization with such technology map out and get precise calculation so as to not warp into any physical objects, or are they really smart inventors but cannot think critically and assess issues that might arise from their transportation ways?

The Sun may also draw its power from the very fabric of space around it (zero-point). If the Sun was powered internally, why is it dark on the inside? It's possible that the very mass allows a kind of lensing effect? Our Stars are literally gates. If quantum entanglement is correct, then every star is connected to one another. Our Sun to Sirius to Vy Canis Etc. Space does have a shape. It's the cosmic matrix. Basically the grid of space time. Warping this grid could allow for a hole to develope. A massive star could acheive this with ease. The key is electromagnetism. Everything is fluid plama. The Ancients believed that outspace behaves like a fluid. The question becomes, what is keeping the stars suspended in space? Its the zero-point energy. Regular matter tends to grow outward. Antimatter would wan't to collapse. These two forces balance each other out.

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Since the universe is infinite your map would need a computer with infinite capacity to store every meteorite, planet etc its movement so that this could be calculated.

To jump the distances you are talking about (across a Galaxy) would require a reactor the same size or bigger then the Sun so yes I read the suggestion but know it not to be true or a possibility, they have smaller reactors which allows them to make smaller jumps.

data5091
I have not heard of this type of theory of propulsion for et craft. The two most common I am aware of is, of course, the anti-gravity drive propulsion theory, and the other one is some type of an element #105, if memory serves, which came from a former employee of Area 51. It was not Bob Lazar as I recall, it was someone else who claimed he worked there. He was on a "UfO Hunters" program which dealt with Area 51.

Element 105 or did you want to say element 115?
It may be that “aliens” have found a way to regulate to production rate of anti-mater using element 115 and use a wave guide to spill it out the top side of the round craft.
Doing this may allow the void area to draw the craft toward to void at a controllable speed through space and time. The antigravity drive may be better served to travel within
And close to another strong gravity fields such as with the earth’s field. Just my SWAG.

Since we know that the sun is cooler below its surface than at its surface, it suggests that we know about the interior of the sun. Given that, wouldn't we know about a singularity at its core?

Wouldn't a singularity between stars at the sun's core cause the hot outer layers to be sucked inward? If not from the singularity then from the force of gravity that ignited the star in the first place?

Was your experience chemically enhanced in any way?

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The inner core of our sun is where nuclear fusion reactions are occurring. I'm an advocate of interstellar travel --- up to and beyond the speed of light into the superluminal realm --- with a black hole starship. [Google: Black hole starships] My speculation: The starship has a micro-mini black hole installed as the heart of the propulsion unit. It simply attracts starlight photons, and expels them with tremendous thrust from it's magnetic poles --- increasing speed exponentially squared --- into the super luminal realm.

In places that lack starlight...the starship has two outer magnetic fields, that not only protects the starship from the effects of the superluminal realm, but by having common seawater injected into the magnetic field --- with extreme pressure taken on the deuterium atoms until the fusion reaction occurs ---- thusly feeding photons from the fusion plasma into the micro mini black hole propulsion unit.

conundrummer
Since we know that the sun is cooler below its surface than at its surface, it suggests that we know about the interior of the sun. Given that, wouldn't we know about a singularity at its core?

Wouldn't a singularity between stars at the sun's core cause the hot outer layers to be sucked inward? If not from the singularity then from the force of gravity that ignited the star in the first place?

Was your experience chemically enhanced in any way?

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No but if you know any good ones I might be up for a party

The fusion process is mostly occurring on the surface and is ignited by the streams of energy bombarding the outer layer of gas from outside, there is little or no nuclear fusion taking place as you approach the cor of the Sun.

There are two forces so no it is not like a black hole, one force which sucks energy towards its center and the other are gravitational standing waves which causes matter to accumulate in shells much like how electrons are in shells around an atom, actually an atom is just a smaller version in many ways.

I always kind of chuckle at humanities way of thinking about travel through space. Hmmm, maybe the problem is because that you try to travel in your own dimensional spheres?

In order to actually travel quickly you can sort of glitch through space using quantum mechanics. Say you have a box. A box that is 100 units long, 100 units width and 100 units heigh. You take a particle and place it at 50 x 50 x 50 so...that would be the middle of the box. Now you shift the particle by conversion from three dimensions into six. It now is located at 50 x 50 x 50 x A x B x C where A, B and C are the new six dimensional axis needed to form a spatial location in the now six dimensional space.

Quantum mechanics says that during the transition the particle is at every location in six dimensional space as long in the locations it is unknown of. so basically during transition the particle is at 50 x 50 x 50 x 0-100 x 0-100 x 0-100 providing the new three extra-dimensional axis are also 100 units in length. Here comes the funny thing, you might think you end up at 50 x 50 x 50 x 50 x 50 x 50 but this is not actually the case. You can manipulate the outcome by measuring the locations you don't want to travel to in order to forcefully shift to the location you want to travel through.

Bare in mind that you will get at a location like 50 x 50 x 50 x 47 x 32 x 99 if you want but you can't shift the first three axis. Not only do you know these axis and can't therefore exploit quantum mechanics (think of Schroedinger's cat) it will also cause some issues that will let you shift into six dimensional matter which is kind of fatal. Of course six dimensional matter is fun but not as fun as three dimensional matter (I am not going to even try and explain that) so you wanna go back.

Here comes the trick; you need three corresponding inter-dimensional axis in order to jump AT LEAST anything less and you go slingshot yourself through space uncontrollably. It is an understatement to say this is very bad. So four and five dimensional space won't work. So in six dimensional space you grab your three new gotten axis ad you case a trick known as phase dilution which basically means you temporary shift in and out of six dimension into five but in such a short time that you won't re-materialise in six dimension and immediately shift back into three. You can manipulate the outcome again like you did when going to six dimensions except that you have free control over the shift since you technically 'lose' your three six-dimensional axis and are left with three 'unknown' axis during the shift.

Meh; Be careful not too shift into anything solid thou.If you shift back into three dimensions you will abide by the laws of physics of three dimensions and having a rock fuse with you head is pretty fatal.

The center of stars are nuclear fusion cores and are not cold, not by any convoluted explanation of what science already knows about stars.
The energy emitted by the core in photons, through absorption,emission and scattering in the interior of the Sun is what we see as they exit a million years later.

Oh, and what we know about the physics of a nova or supernova would depend on that fact

LUXUS The fusion process is mostly occurring on the surface and is ignited by the streams of energy bombarding the outer layer of gas from outside, there is little or no nuclear fusion taking place as you approach the cor of the Sun.

So, would you say the quote below is incorrect?

"The core is the only region in the Sun that produces an appreciable amount of thermal energy through fusion; 99% of the power is generated within 24% of the Sun's radius, and by 30% of the radius, fusion has stopped nearly entirely. The rest of the star is heated by energy that is transferred outward by radiation from the core to the convective layers just outside."

Because I believe that's the conventional understanding of fusion and the sun.

There are two forces so no it is not like a black hole, one force which sucks energy towards its center and the other are gravitational standing waves which causes matter to accumulate in shells much like how electrons are in shells around an atom, actually an atom is just a smaller version in many ways.

Do these 2 forces have names? The first one sounds like gravity. The second sounds like electromagnetism.

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Yes I would disagree with it thermal fusion occurs mainly on the outer surface to some depth, the dark sphere at the center of the Sun is 1/8 its total radius.

The inwards force is caused by coherence of local space and most closely fits dark energy, the outwards force are similar to gravity waves.

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We had a member post a thread called "The sun is pregnant" that had an idea similar to yours. Can't remember his name....

LUXUS Yes I would disagree with it thermal fusion occurs mainly on the outer surface to some depth, the dark sphere at the center of the Sun is 1/8 its total radius.

So science is wrong about where fusion occurs?

conundrummer

LUXUS Yes I would disagree with it thermal fusion occurs mainly on the outer surface to some depth, the dark sphere at the center of the Sun is 1/8 its total radius.

So science is wrong about where fusion occurs?

"Science" isn't some monolithic being that speaks truth. if you are trying to be indignant, that is what is repugnant about "science".

"Science" is a collection of hypothesis, theories, and best guesses. Especially where space is concerned, it is all very hypothetical. We are just now devising the instruments to take measurements that can be of use to us in unraveling all these mysteries.

But "science" doesn't know all. And it is regularly proven wrong.

Not that our friend Luxus is correct, mind you.

this vid is very much relevant.
The Sun is Not What we We Have Been Told


welcome in "Electric Universe"
thanks for posting this! s&f

This is a piece of text taken from Cassiopaea Transcripts :

"Q:A: Open.
Q: (L) Could you describe for us the interior of our sun and how it works?
A: It is a window .
Q: (L) The interior of the sun is a window . Okay, is the interior of the sun composed of what we would call solid matter?
A: No.
Q: (L) The general idea is that the interior of the sun is composed of great masses of hydrogen and this is converting to helium and...
A: In 3rd density perception.
Q: (L) You are saying that the sun is a windowor transmission point between dimensions. If that is the case, then it is virtually illimitable in terms of longevity?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, the ideas of the sun running out of gas and turning into a red giant and sauteing humanity are incorrect concepts?
A: No. 3rd level, Laura, 3rd level!"

Essentially this is close to OP idea and i find it more likely than hydrogen converting to helium.

But i disagree about ufo propulsion.
I believe they have totally independent ways of travel (antigravity, working the way Bob Lazar described it and interdimensional travel)