Third eye, higher consciousness, etc. warnings?

allthings2allmen
reply to post by oktopus

 

You quote the bible as one who knows about god but does not know him personally. Anything that places God outside of you is idolatry. Chances are if you are into idolatry you are into worshipping. God does not desire worship but obedience. It is the devil that wants to be worshiped. God said I will send them strong delusions and the strongest delusion I have ever witnessed is the bible. Here is a bit of pulp fiction that claims to be the word of God but if it really was then we would have a stupid God. The bible starts by saying that the world is only six thousand years old but I have seen living trees that were older than that. It goes on to say that Adam and Eve were the first humans and then that Cain went to a foreign land to find a bride. I can go through the whole book and show you contradictions after contradictions. Like mater and anti matter. Lies eliminate truth so that the book is of no consequence. That is why it needs to be defended. The truth needs no defense. It stands on it's own. There is no defenders of the truth. However there are defenders of the bible. These are devils that run away from me. The idol called the bible is prepared for the fire. Truth is the all consuming fire that burns false gods.

If you read the Sumerian version of that creation myth the it might be a correct interpretation of what happened of a geneticall change and creation of the specie that we call human (biological container for consciousness and spirit).

But the literal interpretation of genesis is very improbable from my point of view. A symbolic tale about the spiritual fall from grace by eating of the tree of perceived duality and ego worship that I think the apple from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil" represents is from my point of view spot on.

reply to post by Jabbah

Well I read there are techniques to open the 3rd eye where meditation is not even mentioned, that's why I'm asking.


@moonglitter nice, welcome to the forums!

kodasaufa

And lincourtz if you want tips on how to activate and have a kundalini rising I can help.

Of course I'd like some, that's why I made this thread in the first place, for warnings and tips all help is most than welcomed.

reply to post by Lincourtz


When you see the pituitary gland it is a tiny little thing about the size of a newborn pinky. And yet so much importance is attributed to it. Some say it is the gateway to other dimension allowing for inter dimensional travel. I have mine stimulated by the pain that I feel from my feet because the pain management area of the brain is located next to it. So pain can activate it and constant pain can do it constantly. In my case the purpose I use it for is to recall all things to myself so I have become allthings2allmen. However others might find other uses for it and I would not presume to judge which is a more worthy use. I can say this. That the way to experience the oneness of human beings is through this third eye. I have seen some practitioners of an activity in which they put fishing hooks into their flesh and hang themselves from structures go into a trance that they say is close to Godliness and I tend to believe them but at the expense of extreme pain. You see flesh and spirit are mortal enemies so either one or the other is thriving or dying. Religion is a sure fire way to kill the spirit. Pain is a sure fire way to kill the flesh. A mortal relationship where only death do us part. You can't live with it and you can't live without it.

Hey,
The dangers many people refer to are with the Kundalini, also known as the Dark Night of the Soul in Christianity.
Many people strive and do whatever they can to open the third eye chakra first, when you should start with the lowest and work your way to the top. When people experience a Kundalini awakening when they are not ready can have alot of negative symptoms.

Look up Kundalini Awakening, Kundalini syndrome, even referred to as a Spiritual Emergency.

When your Kundalini is awakened, its a process that once started you can never go back. It brings all of your physiological, emotional, and physical problems to surface. So you can face them and deal with them.

Good luck.

-Seth

reply to post by MyEyesSeeTooClear

Your assessment is true. I would not recommend it for people who have inherent weaknesses of psyche or character and frankly modern living in comfort does not prepare you for character evaluation. In the same way I would not recommend that this type of person take '___'. It is dangerous and I have seen people commit suicide after a bad trip. The kundalini physical experience is like an energy coil that starts at the bottom of you spine and goes up to your head and then floats a bit above it like the cobra covering the Buddha's head. The chi coming from your belly is like a tornado coming out of the navel area and forward. In my case the telepathic antenna is my whole body and it is like an umbrella that goes straight up into space and then goes in every direction to cover the whole earth. There is no distance in the spirit. These are spiritual processes that leave a sensory symptom in your body to signal that hey are happening. I sometimes feel like I am a voodoo doll being pierced by needles.

MyEyesSeeTooClear
Hey,
The dangers many people refer to are with the Kundalini, also known as the Dark Night of the Soul in Christianity.
Many people strive and do whatever they can to open the third eye chakra first, when you should start with the lowest and work your way to the top. When people experience a Kundalini awakening when they are not ready can have alot of negative symptoms.

Look up Kundalini Awakening, Kundalini syndrome, even referred to as a Spiritual Emergency.

When your Kundalini is awakened, its a process that once started you can never go back. It brings all of your physiological, emotional, and physical problems to surface. So you can face them and deal with them.

Good luck.

-Seth

The Spiritual Emergency is a very good labeling of an instant awakening where fear amygdala overload can happen where the crown and third eye becomes very active in a very short time and the lower chakras are not following. In this condition with reality shifted it might be a good idea to go crown to root instead of root to crown.

Anyone who takes the slowly increasing ki/light and spiritual understanding will probably do the awakening more slowly and gentler and going bottom up, root to crown would probably be a good thing. But there seem to be people who also get stuck and cannot break thru.

allthings2allmen
reply to post by MyEyesSeeTooClear

 

Your assessment is true. I would not recommend it for people who have inherent weaknesses of psyche or character and frankly modern living in comfort does not prepare you for character evaluation. In the same way I would not recommend that this type of person take '___'. It is dangerous and I have seen people commit suicide after a bad trip. The kundalini physical experience is like an energy coil that starts at the bottom of you spine and goes up to your head and then floats a bit above it like the cobra covering the Buddha's head. The chi coming from your belly is like a tornado coming out of the navel area and forward. In my case the telepathic antenna is my whole body and it is like an umbrella that goes straight up into space and then goes in every direction to cover the whole earth. There is no distance in the spirit. These are spiritual processes that leave a sensory symptom in your body to signal that hey are happening. I sometimes feel like I am a voodoo doll being pierced by needles.

You are from my point of view having a sensory overload in your body. Sometimes I get the need to move the top of my head also when the nerve cells are not handling the feeling of ki/light in a way that is comfortable. Also have you noticed the nerve cells on the top of the nose that seem to be connected to the third eye?

In a way you can think of the antenna as having different heat in different segments of it. You are probably wanting a state where the heat is the same in every segment of it and if the higher segments is hotter then that heat/energy need to be moved to where it is needed so you get the same heat on all levels.

The whole navel thing might mean you are having more heat/activity in Sacral and you other chakras might not be as active as this chakra.

Mostly I feel like a temple man and the head is were the crown is shinning really bright. My feet are the altar of the sacrifice and honestly if you were to feel so much pain without warning you would probably go into shock and have to be hospitalized now after eight years of living on pain killers I have stopped taking them and I am now walking again to intensify the pain. I am turning up the volume on my telepathy. Can you relate to that?

Awakening of the 3rd eye.. sounds so mysterious and out of grasp of imagination, trying to do it is like trying to do something that leads nowhere, because that statement, as it is, does not define the goal nor purpose of it. Still, millions of people are driven by something unknown, that tells them to sit alone, meditate, to try and feel it, feel the energy, be aware of yourself, of the force within you, of the way it connects you with everything around you, without the real purpose. So, what is the purpose? Even when you know it, is that purpose meant for everyone, or the "chosen ones"? Does it lead to some power? What are prerequisites, or what kind of people can ever hope to achieve it? Is some sort of "illumination" required so you can grasp it? What is "illumination"? What other powers we humans need, beside the ones we already have?

We already have technology, and because technology is the use of nature, and nature is all and everything, there is no limit of the powers we can have, through technology, to create and destroy, on the micro scale or the galaxy scale. So, there is power of technology (nature) on one side, and there is promise of "some other power" within us, on the other.

If the human body is an energetic system, comprised of cells, and every cell is its own system, and the DNA is in every cell, and the DNA is a perfect form of an antenna, and we humans are, sentient, self-aware beings, whose every part operates via communication of those antennas, then where "the 3rd eye" fits in that picture?

Truth is, "the 3rd eye" is not something new to anyone or not used before, "3rd eye" is the control system at the center of the awareness, it is the place where all information is assembled, it's where you process all and imagine all, where you feel all, where you think all you think, it is the place that sits on the center of time and space, it is the center of awareness of the human system, and the point from which all your actions begin, and the point where all reactions come to you, whether you know the place where reactions come from or you don't. Everything you see and feel around you are reactions started by you or by "others", be it the other people or the other force that people call "the mind of the Universe" or "God", call it whatever, but things are moving, and you can see it and feel it, shape it, be part of it, exercise your power on it. Grand summarization of actions and reactions is here, result of it is zero, it is constant and precise, it is effortless, it is the point we call present time.

The purpose? The power? How deep the rabbit hole goes? What is possible for human mind? Where is the point we say to ourselves, "I am satisfied", "I have enough power", "I am in control"? "When I have it do I share it with others, or I keep it to myself so I can have power over others"?

Meditation is important step on the path of power, path of control. It enables seeing, feeling and control of the moving parts within us, of energies, frequencies and densities, of path and shape of intention, of building blocks of creation. Awareness of the smallest blocks of creation is achievable with time, and once learned, can be used at will.

The purpose? The answer lies in the question - Observation of "purpose". Observation and awareness of outside motion, the motion of the sum of reactions. Knowledge is important, but application is power. For ex., if one knows that human eyes, in total darkness or when closed for 30 minutes without interruption, because process is linear, start to see in 100000:1 contrast, compared to 300:1 in normal use, how many will try and see what is observable in pitch black with 100000:1? Will brain learn to see something that it never could before? One needs to start somewhere. Brain needs to have clear intention and it will learn. Imagination will lead you half way, and reality will hit you on the other half. That other half is where most are mistaken, knowledge must come first, as a requirement for any power, any task, any application. Brain as a calculating machine, at our service, can only fill what is missing if enough is already known. To know the truth is to see the truth. For ex. you can have a little box in your room, and in it are hidden diamonds, worth millions, but you don't know that, you can spend your life in poverty and that little box will still stand there, worthless to you. Present moment as a whole, is very hard to grasp, from the point of observation. Human system can understand and be aware only of the things it understands, things it can decode. Power of Neo from the Matrix, or Muad'dib from Dune, is very hard to get. It's the ultimate achievement of the mind, ultimate power of control. To have it is to see all the pieces at once, without effort, to see and feel the intentions unfolding in front of your eyes, in your body, in your center, causes and effects, actions and reactions.

reply to post by MinMaxSum


Reference of Dune. . Those books are very interesting since they are showing understanding of pre destiny that can be hard to handle and the beings that are pushing the pattern of synchronous fate to a higher degree than others.

The question is do you want to be the one who needs to act often or the butterfly that changes everything with one single wing beat at the exact right time or a quiet observer who just let the experience flow over you?

"The purpose? The power? How deep the rabbit hole goes? What is possible for human mind? Where is the point we say to ourselves, "I am satisfied", "I have enough power", "I am in control"? "When I have it do I share it with others, or I keep it to myself so I can have power over others"?"

You have to be trusted by God to have power. 99.9% of humans can't be trusted. I have anger issues myself.

PhilWhaley71

"The purpose? The power? How deep the rabbit hole goes? What is possible for human mind? Where is the point we say to ourselves, "I am satisfied", "I have enough power", "I am in control"? "When I have it do I share it with others, or I keep it to myself so I can have power over others"?"

You have to be trusted by God to have power. 99.9% of humans can't be trusted. I have anger issues myself.

. I get annoyed myself also sometimes so I have told the divine that I only want what I can handle and will not misuse to be sure I do not screw up in some way.

MyEyesSeeTooClear
Hey,
The dangers many people refer to are with the Kundalini, also known as the Dark Night of the Soul in Christianity.
Many people strive and do whatever they can to open the third eye chakra first, when you should start with the lowest and work your way to the top. When people experience a Kundalini awakening when they are not ready can have alot of negative symptoms.

Look up Kundalini Awakening, Kundalini syndrome, even referred to as a Spiritual Emergency.

When your Kundalini is awakened, its a process that once started you can never go back. It brings all of your physiological, emotional, and physical problems to surface. So you can face them and deal with them.

Good luck.

-Seth

Wow that was such a deep thought, it makes me feel like i'm doing the right thing.
reply to post by MinMaxSum


So this is kinda scary. I've been following the steps for kundalini (meditation for now). do u think that's as dangerous as just opening the third eye on its own?

Not everybody has to go through the whole process only one person is enough. When the change is started by only one person changing himself then the little thing increases like a snow ball. This ever increasing change ends up changing everything. But at first it is just one person. A chosen person so that it cannot be said that it was a self initiated process but one that was always meant to be from the beginning. Imagine filling a glass. It always starts with the first drop. Humanity is like a sea of water but that first person is like one single drop.

Lincourtz

MyEyesSeeTooClear
Hey,
The dangers many people refer to are with the Kundalini, also known as the Dark Night of the Soul in Christianity.
Many people strive and do whatever they can to open the third eye chakra first, when you should start with the lowest and work your way to the top. When people experience a Kundalini awakening when they are not ready can have alot of negative symptoms.

Look up Kundalini Awakening, Kundalini syndrome, even referred to as a Spiritual Emergency.

When your Kundalini is awakened, its a process that once started you can never go back. It brings all of your physiological, emotional, and physical problems to surface. So you can face them and deal with them.

Good luck.

-Seth

Wow that was such a deep thought, it makes me feel like i'm doing the right thing.
reply to post by MinMaxSum

 

So this is kinda scary. I've been following the steps for kundalini (meditation for now). do u think that's as dangerous as just opening the third eye on its own?

There can be states that you want to avoid where some are very active and others are lower active and that is why it is wise to do from root to crown so you avoid an unbalanced state of energy. I think you are after having all chakras activated. People are focusing to much in my view on third eye and crown chakra. Some people who have very active crown and third eye thru quick awakening will feel very disconnected on Earth and very connected to altered higher states of reality. They need to ground themselves to not become depressed by the lower frequency of this level so that they can handle this place again.

There is a reason people say ignorance (in knowledge) is a bliss. Knowing too much can be hard to handle. But at least when you do know too much you at least have the bodily bliss instead to counter the understanding on higher levels.

Ego loss.

That's nice, if we all started getting enlighted wouldn't that be such a nice world?

I see what you mean, it's best to be grounded then. This is the meditation course ive been doing
www.onlinemeditation.org...

LittleByLittle
reply to post by MinMaxSum

 

Reference of Dune.

. Those books are very interesting since they are showing understanding of pre destiny that can be hard to handle and the beings that are pushing the pattern of synchronous fate to a higher degree than others.

The question is do you want to be the one who needs to act often or the butterfly that changes everything with one single wing beat at the exact right time or a quiet observer who just let the experience flow over you?

edit on 7-3-2014 by LittleByLittle because: (no reason given)

We are free of destiny, not of consequences, only of destiny, because of illogicality of the paradox of creation. Our destiny is our own creation.
"Synchronous fate" is the observable motion of the least resistance, governed by the laws of energetic systems, from moment-to-moment, it's uncertain and interruptible, dependent on constantly changing distance, place and energy composition of other energetic systems and their "internal desire".

I, personally, am doing all at once, but it depends, one needs to be a lion when needed, a loving kitten when needed, whatever IS necessary. There are forces all around that are trying to preserve us or destroy us. I never fool myself when in front of a tiger or a snake, that I can reason with them. Same goes for many humans or any other threat whatsoever.
Observation distance is the limiting factor of control. Observation and control travel with you and within you. The "game" is happening all the time, but not many can observe that dance, nor control it outside normal human behavior.

PhilWhaley71

"The purpose? The power? How deep the rabbit hole goes? What is possible for human mind? Where is the point we say to ourselves, "I am satisfied", "I have enough power", "I am in control"? "When I have it do I share it with others, or I keep it to myself so I can have power over others"?"

You have to be trusted by God to have power. 99.9% of humans can't be trusted. I have anger issues myself.

Power goes both way, it can create or destroy, and anything in between. Power is learned and known by self-effort. No one can give it nor take it, and once acquired, grows within you, free in its creativity, in every comprehensible way. "Power" is the central point of everything. Power is the spark that is creating the awareness.

Lincourtz

So this is kinda scary. I've been following the steps for kundalini (meditation for now). do u think that's as dangerous as just opening the third eye on its own?

"The third eye" doesn't deserve to be to be called "the third eye", because it is not the third, it is the only eye. It is your central point of "awareness", it is where you become aware of everything you sense - see, feel, hear, think, imagine etc.. it is the place where you access and use your power to know, to learn, to understand and to grow, to grow in your ability to use that same power in a way you desire to use it. The point is not to separate your mind and the body, like many "enlightened" people suggest, the point is to combine as much as yourself as you can in one moment, to give more power to awareness, to create more and more complex, and unified structure of your knowledge and ability to be aware. The "mind" and the "body" are tools of awareness, tools of desire. Make your own desire be clear in your mind, desire that is not dangerous, but desire that you want to be. Desire will give you all the power you need to fulfill that same desire. Desire that is in the center of your every sense and being, the spark that enables mind and body to exist, unified as opposites of itself. (always remember the jin-jang, the simplest way to express reality of our existence, that resonates with most people, from the moment they see it the first time, without particular reason)

I must tell you this even though it is painful to hear. You speak of high minded things but from the basest of places from the flesh. That which is spirit is spirit that which is flesh is flesh. One cannot act as the other even though it tries. Your carnal mind puts on this show of being spiritual by talking about things that makes it seem to be spiritual. I see this in church all the time. Flesh ministering to flesh with absolutely no power. Being powerless they continually put on these false manifestations of power. Here you talk about knowledge as if you had any but it is just more manifestation of flesh trying to act spiritual. When I manifested power in the church I was kicked out and when I manifest knowledge here I shall also be banned because it puts the carnal mind to shame to have spiritual knowledge. There is a state of enmity between flesh and spirit and flesh must be put back in it's proper place in subjection to the spirit. There is no light and no power in the flesh. Whatever light and whatever power the flesh has it dwindles with age but the spirit never gets older nor is it mortal. It is a bad marriage till death do us part. Jesus who was led by the spirit continually had to rebuke his disciples when they manifested flesh and I must do so this day because of the high minded BS that I hear posted here everyday. God is spirit and he shall not be mocked by either believers or unbelievers. I do not care what you claim to be I know flesh when I see flesh because I am also human as you are but I have the gift that I have cultivated and practiced for a lifetime.The gift of discernment. Philosophy is not the search for knowledge contrary to popular belief but the search for truth. The consequence of finding the truth is a manifestation of metaphysical power. Consider yourself as well served by this post.