This Device Cured Cancer But BIG PHARMA Destroyed It! Must Read.

Skywatcher2011

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As I sit here, tired and depressed....and surrounded by electricity, I wonder to myself....
if the 'right' frequency can cure you....then what does the 'wrong' frequency do....?

jacy

Ask someone who has used a TENS machine too much. Any kind of frequency at current above a few microamps can cause damage. What is also criminal concerning Rife's work, is that any organic disease can be analyzed and confirmed just by examining frequency output in the body outside the noise band.

Cheers - Dave

Very well said...but what is "the noise band"?

When the body is healthy if you examine the emf frequency content it looks like white noise, it's extremely chaotic and that is the natural state, there is no dominance and therefore only electromagnetic noise is present. When organs go bad, a symbiotic relationship is set up by the original dysfunctional cells, they produce a very symmetrical waveform that increases in amplitude as more cells mimic the bad cells and then go dysfunctional themselves in an ever increasing cycle (unless the immune system can take care of it). Eventually, this cellular signature can be measured and analyzed to give an indication of the progress of the disease/dysfunction and/or how much damage it is creating in the surrounding tissues. We did a study on this back in the early/mid 90's through the NRC and developed a data acquisition and analysis device as well as a device to turn off the dysfunctional cells.

What I mentioned about TENS however, and you can look this up on the internet, is that TENS and devices like them due to the current they use in the body have the potential to disrupt many bodily functions. There is also a large body of information on micro-current therapy which is in the range of 5 microamps down to the picoamp range. Apparently the ATP-ADP process is enhanced by very small amounts of current but disrupted by large amounts. Disruption of the ATP-ADP cycle can produce cachexia (cell starvation) and other problems due to the forced disruption of large bio-molecule feeding and waste transfers. It follows that by starving the cells, dysfunction or death of the cells ensues. You can also see changes in DNA and different cell level process simply by being subjected to extraneous EMF every day, of course the amount of damage would be dependent on exposure times and energy levels.

Cheers - Dave

The Vagabond
reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

I find myself a bit credulous actually, but I can't make the leap to see how you are the one harping at me for evidence, when this interaction began at you claiming the evidence had been destroyed and me suggesting that it couldn't have all been destroyed and therefore might never have existed instead.

Yes, this was an article that I have never read before until recently. I have always been interested in what a cure would be like if it was discovered. With millions or if not billions of dollars spent on finding a "cure" for cancer (as told in the media), I believe it to be a hoax that there is NO CURE for cancer.

That being said, my new article finding on this scientist has me intrigued further and I would appreciate it if you can help support the article or add evidence to your suggestive thinking this is all a hoax. So far you haven't contributed anything significant except to add neutral ideas of yours to the topic while others have started adding inputs of what is cancer or other scientists who have been involved in the science for developing a cure for the cancer.

Rather than asking me to find evidence for or against your views when I hear them out and find them insufficiently grounded, perhaps you should have looked for it yourself. That would put you on much better ground to attack fence sitters than making it an article of faith that the evidence existed but was destroyed.

Once again you are putting up a deflector shield making yourself like a politician who indulges on the works of others and not be pinched on the cheek for not collaborating on a topic in medical research that is hot right now. Stop playing the "ball is always in your court" as this is not an argument thread. This is a thread to share a point about a research scientist who was thwarted by bringing a major cure to the medical field by a pharmaceutical company that would stand to lose billions of dollars in drug research programs aimed to make a profit through treatment programs.

If you have any insight into this thread I would appreciate some constructive work on your part. Otherwise make your last post and continue reading good posts by others.

Thank you....

Skywatcher2011
Rife made invisible microbes visible without killing them, a feat which today’s electron microscopes cannot duplicate...

There's a reason why. You can't see viruses with an optical microscope, no matter how tricked up and overly complex.

But Tom! you may say, why can't I just magnify the crap out of something, no matter how small, until I can see it as large as I'd like? Well, there's a reason. You've got a couple of different limits you're fighting. Limits that you can't get past. One is similar to Rayleigh's limit for telescopes - you can't magnify microscopic images without limit due to the limits of lensing systems in general - the lenses are not infinite in aperture, therefore you have diffraction effects that limit the magnification. That's why you can't look for footprints on the moon with Hubble.

The other is due to the fact that the thing you're wanting to image - a virus - is smaller than the light you're trying to image with. Blue light is about 450nm long. Viruses are from 5 to 300nm long (mostly - there are a few HUGE viruses you actually CAN image with a light microscope, but they're an exception). So...you're trying to see something maybe 100nm long with a tool that's longer than 450nm...it's not going to work. In general, you can't resolve ANYTHING with a light microscope that's not at least 2x the wavelength of the light you're using, and then you get a "dot". If you want detail, the object has to be hundreds of wavelengths.

No matter how many lenses Rife hangs on something, you're not going to image a 5-300nm object with visible light. Light's too coarse. That's why people who actually DO image viruses use far smaller "tools" - such as x-ray crystallography or electron microscopes.

On the subject of "frequencies", it's much the same problem. First, of course, frequencies of what? In Rife's case, he was using a radio oscillator. And there you're whopping against a similar problem that would keep his microscope from working. A virus is 5 to 300nm long. In order for it to interact strongly with an EM wave, it has to be about the same size as the wave, with a few exceptions such as a molecule having a strong dipole moment which viruses do not. So, what EM waves are about that size? Visible light in the UV range. Not radio frequencies.

Rife was using radio in the lower HF range - 8 MHz or so. 8MHz radio waves have a wavelength of 122 feet. A 122 foot wave isn't going to do a lot to a 100nm object. They aren't going to couple to each other.

And, of course, a virus isn't going to be mechanically stressed by a radio wave. It can't "break it up". You'd have to have ionizing radiation to cause mechanical damage by knocking electrons loose. And you absolutely won't be "resonating" with it. Not unless you've got a 120 foot long virus.

Skywatcher2011

Cancer is a living thing...it is not like kidney stone which floats around in the body and can be peed out (painfully...sometimes needs medical attention). This thing replicates like a virus, behaves like a virus...is a virus.

In other words...it is called a "Retrovirus"

Cancer is what you get when you have cells that multiply without limit and in general no longer perform their original function.

A retrovirus is a very specific type of RNA virus that inserts a copy of itself into the host's genome.

So they're not even vaguely the same. A retrovirus can cause cancer by damaging the host DNA, but it is not 'cancer'.

If you're trying to say that cancerous cells are literally viruses, you don't know what a virus is.

Skywatcher2011
However, any mutation that cause normal DNA to turn cancerous is like a DNA Virus because the disease started from an Internal source.

Not at all. Damage to a cell's DNA is not a DNA virus. DNA viruses are a type of virus that use DNA strands to carry their genetic payload. Some viruses use RNA, some DNA, some double stranded, some single stranded.

To say that damage is a virus is like saying smashing your motherboard with a mallet is exactly the same as surfing porn sites and catching spysheriff or whatever. It's absolutely incorrect.

I'm a huge proponent to the idea of the Rife machine. I have no proof one way or another as to whether it was ever created and used successfully, but the events that occurred are highly suspect. And while there may be no proof as to whether it ever existed and worked, the idea of using resonant destruction on bacteria, viruses, tumors or anything else seems completely viable. The fact this this man was one of the greatest minds in recent times gives me absolutely no reason to believe he would try and pull-one-over on the scientific community.

If you've never studied mechanical resonance, you should read up on it before even thinking of commenting on the capabilities of the Rife machine.

Quick example:


Not only can such an effect destroy a wine glass, but also:
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Some buildings are even required to have giant pendulums built into them to throw off the resonant frequency and prevent destruction.

Now, if you can destroy a bridge or a building with frequency, I'm sure a mind like Royal Rife could find a way to tune that down to a cellular level. It's a wonder to me why this has never had much support... (cough) Big Pharma (cough cough)

Did somebody already point out that


there is no honorary Doctorate for Mr. Rife at the Ruprecht-Karl-University of Heidelberg?


As this was quite easily to verify, I deny Mr. Rife all of his other inventions, as long as they were stated in the same paragraph and by the same people stating that he has a honorary Doctorate at the Ruprecht-Karl-University of Heidelberg.

Because that is a lie.

Or can you prove different? Because neither wikipedia nor the University does know about this.

reply to post by scojak


Your examples are of mechanical stress - the wine glass is resonating to sound, a mechanical stress wave. The bridge is experiencing torsional flutter due to airflow. EM waves such as radio do not induce mechanical stress.

Considering your wine glass example, the reason it breaks is due to several factors. One, the wavelength of sound used is a length that matches that of the glass. Glass is highly elastic, but lead crystal is also brittle. The elasticity allows efficient storage of the mechanical stress of the sound, in other words it has high Q. Since it's brittle it can't flex much without shattering. If the sound's wavelength were longer, it won't break. If the glass isn't both brittle and elastic, it won't break. In the case of Rife's device, it's EM which is not a wave of mechanical stress. And it's many orders of magnitude too long to interact with a virus.

So in other words, no.

eta: there are a few papers that discuss the use of extreme ultrasonic frequencies to shatter the capsids of tobacco mosaic virus. If yo calculate the wavelength of the frequency they used in normal saline, it turns out to match the long axis of the virus. But that's sound. And it was some ungodly frequency, something like 90 GHz, and tobacco mosaic virus has a rigid capsid. You lack all of that in this case.

scojak
I'm a huge proponent to the idea of the Rife machine. I have no proof one way or another as to whether it was ever created and used successfully, but the events that occurred are highly suspect. And while there may be no proof as to whether it ever existed and worked, the idea of using resonant destruction on bacteria, viruses, tumors or anything else seems completely viable. The fact this this man was one of the greatest minds in recent times gives me absolutely no reason to believe he would try and pull-one-over on the scientific community.

If you've never studied mechanical resonance, you should read up on it before even thinking of commenting on the capabilities of the Rife machine.

Quick example:

Not only can such an effect destroy a wine glass, but also:
(Skip to 1:00)

Some buildings are even required to have giant pendulums built into them to throw off the resonant frequency and prevent destruction.

Now, if you can destroy a bridge or a building with frequency, I'm sure a mind like Royal Rife could find a way to tune that down to a cellular level. It's a wonder to me why this has never had much support... (cough) Big Pharma (cough cough)

edit on 2/24/2014 by scojak because: (no reason given)

Bedlam has very valid points that are determined specifically by physical laws. A measurement analogy would be measuring the length of a car with a ruler that only measures every 200 feet which cannot be divided, it isn't going to work. In the case of using light as a ruler, if the object is smaller than the 1/4 wavelength it will be literally invisible. If a virus is the cause of cancer as it appears to be in some cases and the virus is 50nm at it's smallest point, the minimum 1/4 wave wavelength to even have a chance of resolving the virus would have to be around 200nm, or something in the UVB/UVA spectrum (280nm was used to erase EPROMS). Using UVA/UVB wouldn't be very smart since it can cause blindness, so it's sort of self-defeating. We can't see x-rays and I certainly would not want to be looking down the barrel of anything that could even have a remote chance of focusing them on my eyes as ionizing radiation can cause even greater problems that simple light.

Now, it might be possible, this is just speculation, but if you were to use say 500nm light from about 100 sources and phase shift the light mechanically (maybe using tiny micro-spaced reflective surfaces) so that every source of (Doppler shifted) light represented 1% of the total wavelength, could it be possible to see as small as 1.25nm (1/4 wave of 5nm)? I don't know, but I am quite sure the multiple sources would create interference patterns which would probably create problems in resolution. It may work with some very complex optical arrays and lasers, but the human eye as a passive tool can only see between about 400nm and 700nm at best, if I remember right.

All of this doesn't mean that Rife didn't make a "machine" that worked, it just means that the probabilities are very low if the claim is that he could see viri.

Cheers - Dave

reply to post by Skywatcher2011



sadly greed is more important than life itself.....we as a species have a long way to go....

its funny how Rife technology is widely used in many areas to this day and yet people have a hard time believing he cured cancer,just his microscope was eons ahead of its time being able to view live cancers.....

the naysayers will always say nay

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Because his microscope and treatment were both bs. Right down to "the dog ate my homework" for a punchline.

hopenotfeariswhatweneed
its funny how Rife technology is widely used in many areas to this day and yet people have a hard time believing he cured cancer,

I was just thinking that radiology is used to treat cancer. Kind of hard to say it has been suppressed when it is in use. It isn't a cure all, though.

Bedlam
reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed

 

Because his microscope and treatment were both bs. Right down to "the dog ate my homework" for a punchline.

well can you prove this assumption ?...i can smell the BS but it is not from a Rife invention

daskakik

hopenotfeariswhatweneed
its funny how Rife technology is widely used in many areas to this day and yet people have a hard time believing he cured cancer,

I was just thinking that radiology is used to treat cancer. Kind of hard to say it has been suppressed when it is in use. It isn't a cure all, though.

i believe Rife did have a cure and thats just it .....radiology is expensive and requires a lot of repeat business with no guarantee it will work

hence why it is a conspiracy ...a lot of people were hushed on this one and that is a sure sign that he was onto something big

daskakik

hopenotfeariswhatweneed
its funny how Rife technology is widely used in many areas to this day and yet people have a hard time believing he cured cancer,

I was just thinking that radiology is used to treat cancer. Kind of hard to say it has been suppressed when it is in use. It isn't a cure all, though.

The sorts of radiation used for cancer are ionizing EM such as x-rays or gamma radiation, or high energy particles such as accelerated protons.

The sort Rife used are MF and HF radio, down there with your AM station. There's quite a difference.

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Didn't I cover it? You can't image a virus with visible light. And radio waves don't "resonate" with viruses.

Next, you've got the usual story with all the kabuki - self-educated wizard comes up with magic device only he can use, evil government suppresses him, the dog eats his homework.

Sounds like he covers the crank trifecta as well, no?

hopenotfeariswhatweneed
i believe Rife did have a cure and thats just it .....radiology is expensive and requires a lot of repeat business with no guarantee it will work

Radiology is what Rife had. What makes you think he would have had better results?

I also question him sitting on the tech for 40 years. During that time there were other cancer clinics offering treatments. If he had something why didn't he step up?

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Or he was a total fraud ala Keely and Reich, and eventually fell by the wayside of history.

reply to post by Bedlam

Sorry about that. I was looking at a site with "Rife's frequencies" and misread them. They were in the LF and MF range.

I do stand by the statement that if he had had something he sat on it for decades.

Truly great info in this OP, IMO. I responded earlier today in one of Soficrow's threads with a partial bibliography of scientific publications about the known effects of environmental electromagnetic fields and frequencies, and their effects on biological systems. The bibliography and a few books I've found on the subject are all available to me in PDF format so I cannot paste here.
This information has been around for quite some time, as these publications demonstrate. I would be happy to provide information so that anyone could access them if anyone wants to U2U me.

There are other environmental cues for cancer, as well, apparently, and many other disease processes…..
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