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Harte
No extraterrestrial evidence has even been mentioned in this thread by the ETH supporters.
Let me know when you post a pic of a UFO with "We're not from this planet" painted across the side - in alien glyphs, of course.
Harte
There is no evidence that people who see ufos are seeing incorrectly.
ZetaRediculian
EnPassant
There is no evidence that people who see ufos are seeing incorrectly.
sure there is but you choose to ignore it.
Case Studies In Pilot Misperceptions Of "UFOs"
These people are normal.
If you say they are not seeing correctly you need to back that up.
The default is that they are seeing correctly unless shown otherwise.
you are not answering anything other than what you are making up!
It is ok the speculate but I am answering these speculations and they don't hold up.
G-loc does not always apply.
Many of these missions were scrambled from bases in a non combat capacity. It is not as if pilots are continually blitzed up on amphetamines during peacetime in case something happens.
Are the airforce employing mentally unbalanced pilots who have clear sightings of UFOs
Also, what these pilots see is backed up by commercial pilots sightings. Also, commercial pilots don't experience g-loc. I also read an account of a pilot who experienced both oxygen deprivation and an nde. He said they were different experiences.
You have every right to argue your point but you should also try to argue against you own points and you will see that they don't hold up to analysis.
witnesses see just fine its interpretations by people like you that are suspect. you have not read or understood ONE point I made. UNBELIVABLE!
The argument that witnesses are not seeing things properly does not originate in evidence concerning the witness it originates in the debunking campaign that started in the 50s with swamp gas etc. psychological assessment of witnesses shows they are normal.
ZetaRediculian
EnPassant
reply to post by ZetaRediculian
Dr Winnery says that, "as a traditional scientist, these experiments add tremendous credibility to the NDE phenomenon." He says that individual's accounts of NDE's should be listened to very closely, because their stories are very accurate, as demonstrated by his experiments on pilots."
These people are not delusional or suffering from mental illness but you consistently say that people that experience this are delusional. This is important stuff and yet you ignore it. Why do you think we should ignore it?
EnPassant
When I say these people are normal I am saying that that is evidence that they are seeing correctly.
I have not said these people are delusional. You may link to what I said if you disagree.
When I say g-loc does not apply it is because there are cases where commercial pilot sightings back up what the military pilots report so the military pilot's reports are not likely to be a result of g-loc.
You say witnesses see just fine and it interpretations that are wrong. Witnesses see greys. How should we interpret this?
Harte
No extraterrestrial evidence has even been mentioned in this thread by the ETH supporters.
Let me know when you post a pic of a UFO with "We're not from this planet" painted across the side - in alien glyphs, of course.
Harte
EnPassant
It seems that these witnesses are, by and large, reporting what is there.
The accusations that they are mistaken are pure speculative and academic. There is no evidence that they are mistaken in any serious way. So, given all the supporting evidence, such as radar, we can take as true the general picture that is emerging with regard to sightings; they are real and reported as experienced.
Likewise, given that we give credibility to the witnesses we have no reason to believe that they are wrong when they describe the ufonauts.
This is where it gets interesting; these ufonauts seem to be spirits or extra dimensional beings. But they also seem to be biological creatures. Strieber says he asked to smell them. Many other cases suggest they are biological creatures. And yet the seem to be spirits.
The evidence suggests that, like human beings, they are spirits and some of them at least have physical bodies. If they are physical creatures then this is evidence that they are ET. They don't seem to come from earth - not in terms of their physicality.
Yes, there are many differences in sightings but there are similarities too. This is why I keep referring to the themes that emerge (stalling car engines etc.)
Draknoir: Speaking of pure speculation, it SEEMS that's exactly what you are engaged in... and rather heavily at that.
Xtrozero
EnPassant
When I say these people are normal I am saying that that is evidence that they are seeing correctly.
I have not said these people are delusional. You may link to what I said if you disagree.
When I say g-loc does not apply it is because there are cases where commercial pilot sightings back up what the military pilots report so the military pilot's reports are not likely to be a result of g-loc.
You say witnesses see just fine and it interpretations that are wrong. Witnesses see greys. How should we interpret this?
I don't think anyone will debate that these people saw something, but how do we go from seeing something strange to extraterrestrials in one big jump. I could say they are Demons and Angels and be as correct as saying they are extraterrestrials.
EnPassant
Harte
No extraterrestrial evidence has even been mentioned in this thread by the ETH supporters.
Let me know when you post a pic of a UFO with "We're not from this planet" painted across the side - in alien glyphs, of course.
Harte
It has. People have seen grays and Nordics.
EnPassant
what seems to be the explanation, in your estimation?
ZetaRediculian
reply to post by InhaleExhale
I think you are arguing with someone that is confusing possibility and probability or at least overvaluing what "possibility" is exactly. And I think you are right, you can't really "study" something "unknown". Its like saying "I am studying people that have evolved wings and can fly".
draknoir2
reply to post by EnPassant
You seem like a nice enough guy[?]. You are apparently just logically impaired, for whatever reason.
Harte
EnPassant
Harte
No extraterrestrial evidence has even been mentioned in this thread by the ETH supporters.
Let me know when you post a pic of a UFO with "We're not from this planet" painted across the side - in alien glyphs, of course.
Harte
It has. People have seen grays and Nordics.
I would have to disagree.
Grays entered the human psyche with the edited description by Betty Hill (originally, they looked like Jimmy Durante until she changed her story.)
Please provide us with a link to the first mention of "nordic" aliens.
"Always" is a strong term. Before UFOs became a craze in the 1940's and 50's, people "always" saw an old crone doing visitations and abductions. Along with incubi and succubi.
Harte
draknoir2
EnPassant
what seems to be the explanation, in your estimation?
That would be pure speculation on my part and would depend on the specifics of the individual case.
Unless you truly believe things are always as they seem, which you apparently do, I can see no reason why this would constitute "evidence of extraterrestrials" to you.
neoholographic
The problem when it comes to many UFO skeptics is, there so insecure about their own belief they want to determined the conclusions everyone can come to in these areas.
neoholographic
logic and reason
reason and logic.
reason and logic.
KingIcarus
The OP is possibly correct, in honesty, but all of the information he points to is either circumstantial or unverifiable.
For me, intelligent life elsewhere is virtually certain, but it's unlikely that it has visited here either directly or indirectly via probes or what have you. It's certainly possible, but it's also highly unlikely.
The fact remains - to the best of public knowledge there is not even one piece of evidence available for scientific study and peer review that supports the notion that intelligent extraterrestrial life has visited Earth at any point.
I'd love for that to be untrue, but it simply isn't. All we can do is keep our eyes and minds open. This doesn't mean that the subject isn't utterly fascinating or unworthy of a great deal of time, effort and thought though. Far from it!
draknoir2
EnPassant
what seems to be the explanation, in your estimation?
That would be pure speculation on my part and would depend on the specifics of the individual case.