Geo-Engineering and Weather Modification xxxx

reply to post by sunnynights


Good thread! I hope my post here is topical.

SHU Lightening Complex Fire/CA-SHU-004727

On the evening of June 20, 2008, a significant lightning storm entered Shasta County in Northern California. The storm, which did not pass until June 23, caused approximately 5,000 lightning strikes resulting in more than 150 confirmed fires within Shasta County and the eastern portion of neighboring Trinity County. The majority of the fires were quickly contained. However, some became larger fires and took several weeks to contain. This incident was called the Shasta Lightning Complex.

These fires burned through 93,000 acres of which 60,676 were private land. Shasta county is an area of outspoken activists against climate engineering/geo-engineering and chemtrails.

'Chemtrails' conspiracy: Shasta board to talk about jets' metal dumping

A conspiracy theory that says government agencies are using jets to dump poisonous heavy metals into the atmosphere moves today from the realm of late-night talk radio call-in shows to the Shasta County supervisors chambers.

Area scientists have taken more than 40 samples in the north state, including on the sides of Mt. Shasta, and all of them showed abnormally high levels of heavy metals like aluminum, he said.

The metals are new and in places where they shouldn’t be, he said. The dumping may also be contributing to disastrous weather patterns, Wigington said.

“It’s tough not to connect to that with what happened in June with the 3,000-plus lightning strikes we had,” he said, adding that it’s important the public hear more about the alleged dumpings’ detrimental effects on the environment. “This is certainly a public health hazard.”

They all had some real forward motion going in getting together with local government to talk about real concerns and just before this meeting, these devastating fires occurred. Does the technology actually exist to bring fire down from heaven? And to shut up independent thinkers or, at the very least, scare them off?

It's a tough one to answer...yet. Way way back in 1966, a lot was already known about the type of lightning that causes forest fires. Intensive research, way back then, was already planned...to mitigate this type of lightning. But, in learning to mitigate, one also learns how to instigate. Two sides of the same coin.

HAARP, ongoing, studies what it calls transient luminous events.

HAARP 2013 Budget and Plans

. Specific projects that fall under this heading are foundational studies on the initiation, propagation, and attachment of lightning, and their associated emissions; the critical factors affecting magnetospheric sub-storms; the generation and amplification of extremely low frequency (ELF)/ultra low frequency (ULF)/very low frequency (VLF) radiation in the ionosphere utilizing the High Frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) transmitter; and understanding and quantifying the interaction of electromagnetic and acoustic waves with the plasma in flames

And, finally, back to NOAA for an understanding of what these have to do with the kind of lightning that causes forest fires.

The Positive and Negative Side of Lightning

Positive lightning has been identified as a major source for the recently discovered sprites and elves. Sprites and elves are most likely lightning discharges but occur from 18-60 miles (30-95 km) in altitude, well above the parent thunderstorm.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

Plus....put a college in charge of it so that it looks all innocent .... perfect cover....out in plain sight.

Or you put a college in charge, and it looks innocent (because it is) that doesn't need a cover out in plain site.

you are kidding right?

so...you think HAARP is just some simple scientific project to test "something" by college students?

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

so...you think HAARP is just some simple scientific project to test "something" by college students?

Huh.

I don't see where it was claimed to be simple or that it was operated by college students.

The experiments were not really simple, in fact that's part of the problem, trying to explain complex subject matter to people with no training in the field.

It wasn't really operated by college students though. Graduate students worked there but so did a lot of PhD's from the US and other countries.

reply to post by luxordelphi


Great information thank you.

On topic too... Engineering storms including lightning strikes fits perfectly with weather engineering and weather modification.


I found this Benign Weather Modification



Benign weather modification, Talks about illegal lightning strikes, using weather modification to cause death, Military applications of weather modification, project Popeye and more.

The 36 pages is gold

Phage
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

so...you think HAARP is just some simple scientific project to test "something" by college students?

Huh.

I don't see where it was claimed to be simple or that it was operated by college students.

The experiments were not really simple, in fact that's part of the problem, trying to explain complex subject matter to people with no training in the field.

It wasn't really operated by college students though. Graduate students worked there but so did a lot of PhD's from the US and other countries.

my point exactly.....which is why I was asking the poster the question....

as he/she was pointing that is was indeed a simple college operation and you are right.....most people don't understand what was being done or "tested" with these sites.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

as he/she was pointing that is was indeed a simple college operation and you are right

Where was it stated that it was "simple?" Where was it stated that it was operated by college students? Other than by you, that is? From what I see, those were your claims, not his.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

most people don't understand what was being done or "tested" with these sites.

It’s time for us all to get informed.

The money, follow the money the others say. Great tip, forget t-shirts and potions, what about funded collages and science labs, what about the military and contractors for the military?


That’s where the money is.

sunnynights
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

Great information thank you.

On topic too... Engineering storms including lightning strikes fits perfectly with weather engineering and weather modification.


I found this Benign Weather Modification



Benign weather modification, Talks about illegal lightning strikes, using weather modification to cause death, Military applications of weather modification, project Popeye and more.

The 36 pages is gold

There was a very interesting statement in that thesis/proposal:

Modifying weather to cause injury or death is outlawed. For instance, causing lightning to strike exposed enemy infantry is illegal.

I wonder where that might have happened. And how.

Thank you for that!

reply to post by luxordelphi

I wonder where that might have happened.

I wonder why you think it did.

reply to post by Phage


Because at first glance it sounds so nutty...who would ever dream that you could get lightning to strike at will.

And yet someone did think that...thought it was so real that a law needed to be made prohibiting it.

reply to post by luxordelphi

And yet someone did think that...thought it was so real that a law needed to be made prohibiting it.

That law would actually be a treaty. This one. Since it was ratified by the US, it is indeed illegal to modify weather for hostile purposes. The cloud seeding efforts during the Vietnam war had something to do with it.
www.fas.org...

Sorry, no specific mention of lightning being used to kill people. Just, "don't mess with the weather to do bad things." So the lightning part seems to have come from the guy who wrote that book.

reply to post by sunnynights

Benign weather modification, Talks about illegal lightning strikes, using weather modification to cause death, Military applications of weather modification, project Popeye and more.

Just wondering if you skipped this little part from your link....



Seems as though the DOD isn't pursuing the weather as a weapon, so that would mean HAARP isn't being used as any type of nefarious weapon to change weather.

Which it couldn't do in the first place.

Phage
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

as he/she was pointing that is was indeed a simple college operation and you are right

Where was it stated that it was "simple?" Where was it stated that it was operated by college students? Other than by you, that is? From what I see, those were your claims, not his.

edit on 2/22/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Not sure why you are getting off on a tangent about certain words such as "simple" when they are meant as hyperbole. To the meat of the subject.....I suppose you may be right about the college student thing....here is a little snippet from wiki:

The HAARP program began in 1990. The project is funded by the Office of Naval Research and jointly managed by the ONR and Air Force Research Laboratory, with the principal involvement of the University of Alaska. Many other universities and educational institutions of the United States have been involved in the development of the project and its instruments, namely the University of Alaska Fairbanks, Stanford University, Penn State University (ARL), Boston College, UCLA, Clemson University, Dartmouth College, Cornell University, Johns Hopkins University, University of Maryland, College Park, University of Massachusetts Amherst, MIT, Polytechnic Institute of New York University, and the University of Tulsa. The project's specifications were developed by the universities, which are continuing to play a major role in the design of future research efforts

I guess you are right.....no college students involved.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by sunnynights

 

Benign weather modification, Talks about illegal lightning strikes, using weather modification to cause death, Military applications of weather modification, project Popeye and more.

Just wondering if you skipped this little part from your link....

Seems as though the DOD isn't pursuing the weather as a weapon, so that would mean HAARP isn't being used as any type of nefarious weapon to change weather.

Which it couldn't do in the first place.

because the DOD would never lie about what they are doing? They would never try to deceive us or misdirect us.

got it

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

because the DOD would never lie about what they are doing? They would never try to deceive us or misdirect us.

And you can show proof otherwise that what they say is a lie when it comes to HAARP?

Because as of yet you haven't.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


But that's just nonsense!

"I claim that the military is using weather as a weapon"

"Here is documentation that says you are wrong"

"The military tells lies, so I'm right because I say so"

Come on, grow up!

Not EVERYTHING produced by the govt or military or MSM for that meter, is going yo be a lie, if you are saying something is a lie then you have to show good reason beyond the "they tell lies" level of a 5 year old. If you cannot show why it's a lie, then it just might be true.

Do you think that those sites that are telling you that you are being sprayed with chemtrails would never ever tell you lies?

UxoriousMagnus
because the DOD would never lie about what they are doing? They would never try to deceive us or misdirect us.

got it

How does this logic even work? The police lied, so you can NEVER trust the police. You Mom lied, so you can NEVER trust your mom. The Government lies, so every conspiracy you can think of must be true.

It's sad.

reply to post by waynos

Do you think that those sites that are telling you that you are being sprayed with chemtrails would never ever tell you lies?

Lies aren't even an afterthought from chemtrail believers, as that is their motto..

" No evidence...Lie and hope we don't get caught, and if you do lie some more. "

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


You do realise, that universities and colleges have more than just students and lecturers, right?

They are filled with scientists and the like working on their own projects with no students involved.

And another thing, you post a list of all the institutes involved with the HAARP facility, and none of the members of those institutes have come out and said what HAARP is really capable of. They've managed to fool hundreds of people with all these fake arrays, getting them to write hundreds of papers about the experiments they conducted with these fake arrays, just to cover up what it REALLY does...

What your problem is, is that you get all your information from one sided sources and then act as if you know all about it. You should have a read up on posts about HAARP made by a member here named Bedlam.

You know, take in both sides, make an INFORMED decision.

Yet another thread that assumes that contrails are "chemtrails" and that chemtrails are geo-engineering. Could we please lose the "geo-engineering" from the title of this forum so that chemtrailers feel obliged to make some sort of case for their beliefs?