Bible vs. the law of man.

AfterInfinity

oktopus
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

At least not with you, cause I figure since you just figured you won't be around here anymore?

Pitty it took years for you to figure it out.

...I don't get it.

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neither does anyone...

This is what happens when children try to have a conversations with adults...

Although I've met some children that can form a proper sentence far better then this person can

deadcalm

Control your rage (don't kill; respect parents), control your greed (do not covet), don't cheat on your spouse, don't steal, don't put yourself before God (the one who writes these rules) - and if you can manage all of that you will live in peace. Sounds like solid advice to me.

reply to post by Dianec

 

Hmmm...yet God himself couldn't control his rage....to the point where he sent a flood to wipe out the human race. Destroyed cities....murdered millions. Ordered fathers to kill their sons....you see the contradiction in that I hope. He couldn't even keep one of the most importamt of his own commandments....thou shalt not kill. Sounds like one of those "do as I say, not as I do" type of dieties.

There are explanations out there for the hypocrisy you speak of. I personally don't think God controls the weather. With the killing of Abrahams son - I believe that was a test in faith - to see if he would follow God's law without question. A person can choose to stop short and see this as a cruel game but there are lots of test of faith stories. Perhaps the purpose is that in sharing these in written form we would be able to see to what extent a person would go to to show they were willing to follow another's laws, regardless of how they felt about it.

The basic premise behind these laws and authority is to have some sort of shared system that can assure both individual and social peace. They aren't to control but to share with us how to be the very best we can be. If we were being controlled you would know it - you wouldn't have free will. The 10 commandments are recognized in other religions too. With Hinduism and Buddhism you should honor your parents and not murder. In fact killing is expanded upon in these two. They don't believe in harming another emotionally through extramarital affairs, and believe you should not covet. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all believe in the 10 commandments - although slight variations exist.

If I try to imagine a world where people don't kill without just cause, do not feel the need to have all that their neighbor has (or more), where loyalty and integrity are strong within all people, where all can be trusted to not take what is not theirs, and kids actually listen to and respect their parents it seems like a pretty good world to me. 'Having no other Gods before me' tells me people shouldn't try to override these rules. If a person puts all of their faith into another they would no longer see value in these rules. So - it makes sense that part is accentuated in the 10 commandments.

reply to post by oktopus

oktopus
The one restricts while the other sets free.

For you to decide which one does what.

You are so right. When People make laws based on what they 'feel' is right, then laws can be created out of fear, to control people, out of selfishness or personal likes or dislikes.

The One Commandment that fulfills the entire law is consistent and not only is it good for Spiritual Growth, but it works in society to keep harmony and peace.

Galatians 5:13-14
You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself".

@arpgme “Love your neighbor as yourself"

Thats a great idea only in theory, but most people being selfish, are incapable of keeping that one law. Hence the alternative would be the entire set of the law, which are anyway designed to bring about social harmony and spiritual growth for the individual. So you have options...you can choose from the one law of love AND the entire set. Theres no need to dismiss one option entirely and insist everybody pick the option you picked.

deadcalm

Control your rage (don't kill; respect parents), control your greed (do not covet), don't cheat on your spouse, don't steal, don't put yourself before God (the one who writes these rules) - and if you can manage all of that you will live in peace. Sounds like solid advice to me.

reply to post by Dianec

 

Hmmm...yet God himself couldn't control his rage....to the point where he sent a flood to wipe out the human race. Destroyed cities....murdered millions. Ordered fathers to kill their sons....you see the contradiction in that I hope. He couldn't even keep one of the most importamt of his own commandments....thou shalt not kill. Sounds like one of those "do as I say, not as I do" type of dieties.

God is not equal to man.

If you created Artificial intelligence, and you saw it turned against you, wouldn't you put an end to it also? Let's say it came after you to kill you and it never did what you asked it to do at a point you get so enerved by it you want to destroy for you see no use in it.

haha, why do I bother replying.

reply to post by oktopus


I don't destroy things just because they offer no benefit to me personally. Not to mention that I'm not omniscient, so I don't get all the sneak previews that god would get. So I would have more of an excuse than he would, anyway.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Although you think you do, you make no points at all. Reality is small in a narrow mind. That's why they call it narrowminded. You should leave some room for yourself to breathe. I don't know if you do it on purpose, but you are annoying. I lied again, I know you do it on purpose. If all you can do is being annoying, please don't take the time to post it, thank you.

You complain about reality and you can't even blame God for it cause for you he doesn't exist. What a fail.

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If all you have are personal attacks, may I assume that you concede the point?

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TBH I can see how having my poorly thought out set of beliefs torn to shreds can be annoying...

Prezbo369
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TBH I can see how having my set of poorly thought out set of beliefs torn to shreds can be annoying...

You're funny, thx.

deadcalm

Science is based on belief and faith too.

reply to post by JamesCookieIII

 

Science is not based on belief or faith. Where did you get that? Science is based on what we know....what is measurable, provable and repeatable.

Faith, as far as I'm concerned is abhorrent. Faith can justify any attrocity...any indignity. How many millions have met their deaths because of the belief and faith of others? Faith and belief holds humanity back. Just 500 years ago we "believed" because of our "faith" that the Earth was the center of all creation. We truely believed the Earth was flat....despite the fact that there was evidence that clearly showed that this was nonsense. I could go on and on but I'm guessing we are at two completely different ends of the spectrum...never to find common ground.

I wish you well on your journey.

Science i3s based on a few assumptions... and technically it never proved anything. It only disproves something. take a re-look at the scientific method. The faith comes in during the interpretation of the data, and the communication process. We often assume as scientists that the future will resemble the past. however, with string theory and development of quantum physics, this assumption should not be ALWAYS assumed.

also, I would like to point out that we are not at the opposite ends of the spectrum, because there is no spectrum. There is an artificial "paradox" created by arguing about how to go about life... empirically or rationally? for this little bit I'd like to keep it related to science v religion, but really it's a philosophical arguement about ethics.

The point I really would like to see people agree on is that virtuous ethical scientists are who really makes miracles happen in the science departments.

just like religion, science can be distorted and misrepresent how good both of them can be. The way to do it right is be a faithful scientist, following virtuous examples in both feilds. now sometimes people don't know what virtue means. I think that the bible offers an awesome example of a virtuous person, namely a dude named Jesus. If you disagree, I wish u could tell me why.

sorry bout the mixed up quotes in the original response. thought I'd move it here. look - life is like one hell of a hard experiment - one that we cannot hope to analyze alone. there's no secret to solving a hard problem besides doing the work out... Faith is the key to setting off a chain reaction, or as AfterInfinity posted in another one of the original poster's threads, the key to breaking the encryption which masks your true purpose. it is what allows a person to make decisions.

Although the problem is hard, if you have faith, in reality you make it become an ideal situation problem - as opposed to an abstract one - which you can solve with a forumla. that formula is to have faith in good people, feel sorry for bad people (not get mad at them), and since EVERYONE makes mistakes, learn to forgive one another. Now, applying that to Oktopus and AfterInfinity's relationship, in the name of truth in science, religion, life, and whatever comes after, please apologize to one another, for the love of ATS. You guys are both too smart for this nonsense, and this community sure can use some more brilliant teachers.

reply to post by JamesCookieIII


Faith is not the key to breaking an encryption. Faith is the key to assuming you already know what's inside, even though you've never gotten a look. And I won't apologize for having an opinion.

reply to post by oktopus


so you regect biblical " science " ??? that didn't take long

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You must be braindead, or just an ignorant ape.

Well if you don't agree with what I am saying AfterInfinity, I am afraid to say that you have convinced me that your opinion is just that - an opinion, and not even backed by scientific evidence - in essence, you are as crazy as fundamentalist Christians who are okay excluding certain people based on their conflicting beliefs; you are a hypocrite, and I don't care if your the creator of ATS himself... You will understand what I've said over the last few days all in good time. I am content to wait. However, I am not content to sit and wait while you preach ignorance. I will call you out because you have shown yourself to be the troll. you replied to Oktopus's OP many times now, and you are following him, not vice versa. also you have a dismissive attitude about other people's opinions, and I think I'm done supporting your character. I know the inevitable response is coming, because you cannot allow people to believe what they want, but just saying now - I might as well be dead to you. Im not strong enough to continue being polite you ignorant !@#$@$^%. I have been nothing but polite before, and you have been nothing but disrespectful and dismissive. Just so u know, if you were an officer in the army above me, and gave a direct order to me based on your logic, i would disobey you.

To those who don't believe - Back off of those who do; they are trying to find the same happiness you seek (we all seek, whether we realize it or not) through science or w.e. else YOU believe in... its like trying to have a pissing match between a Spanish speaking and English speaking person... Two different languages both trying to say the same thing: I'm better than you. Scientists excluding religious folk are as wrong as religious folk excluding scientists... ONLY A FAITHFUL SCIENTIST CAN HOPE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OUR WORLD FACES TODAY. Disagree with me? PROVE ME WRONG. otherwise sit down and be polite.

To those who do believe - God bless you all for all that you do, especially in this modern society of ignorance - just relax and pat yourselves on the back for trying thus far. The simple act of trying to convey your faith during these times shows your strength of character. Try to keep your head above water, and do no despair. I surely am not a good example of someone who's faith has paid off (it feels like everyone hates me for being logical....) but Jesus is.

ALL HAIL THE KING OF KINGS and GLORY BE TO GOD!

AfterInfinity
reply to post by JamesCookieIII

 

Faith is not the key to breaking an encryption. Faith is the key to assuming you already know what's inside, even though you've never gotten a look. And I won't apologize for having an opinion.

don't apologize to anyone but yourself. intellect does not equal wisdom. your philosophy is to attack and divide people. great way to conquer the world (ala Rome), but terrible way to rule it (also ala Rome).

at least Jesus was about uniting people under spiritual truth, whereas you are about furthering spreading your indoctrinated opinions. Think I'mma trust him over you.

I surely should not rule - no man should. Only God can.

All this being said, I'm going to say a prayer for you.

God is not equal to man.

reply to post by oktopus


Exactly....he is supposedly above mans pettiness, greed. An infinite being with infinite wisom, infinite compassion and infinite love....yet he cannot even follow his own laws. He is jealous, envious and egotistical. He orders the deaths of those who do not follow him. Murders children......just to satisfy his need to be worshipped. To be held above all others. Sounds to me like a classic megalomaniac.

This is a complete contradiction with what the bible is supposed to teach. If God won`t follow his own laws....why would anyone else?

deadcalm

God is not equal to man.

reply to post by oktopus

 

actually, I think God kills those who do follow his rules, thus lift the veil off their eyes so that they may live eternally with his. you reap what you sow.

Exactly....he is supposedly above mans pettiness, greed. An infinite being with infinite wisom, infinite compassion and infinite love....yet he cannot even follow his own laws. He is jealous, envious and egotistical. He orders the deaths of those who do not follow him. Murders children......just to satisfy his need to be worshipped. To be held above all others. Sounds to me like a classic megalomaniac.

This is a complete contradiction with what the bible is supposed to teach. If God won`t follow his own laws....why would anyone else?

reply to post by JamesCookieIII

don't apologize to anyone but yourself. intellect does not equal wisdom. your philosophy is to attack and divide people. great way to conquer the world (ala Rome), but terrible way to rule it (also ala Rome).

Progress has never been made without division. However, I do not support its use as a capitalist device. As such, I must kindly deny your allegations and assure you my intentions are positively oriented.

at least Jesus was about uniting people under spiritual truth, whereas you are about furthering spreading your indoctrinated opinions. Think I'mma trust him over you.

The epitome of irony. I don't ask that people kneel before me and swear their allegiance on my family crest or whatever. I ask that they take my thoughts into consideration and make an informed decision. I do not, however, demand it. And should they choose to ignore me entirely, that is also their decision - albeit a very telling one. Perhaps they will win the Darwin Award and preserve the integrity of our species.

I surely should not rule - no man should. Only God can.

All this being said, I'm going to say a prayer for you.

Be my guest. But I'm positive that you could spare your thoughts for a more worthwhile subject.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by JamesCookieIII

 

don't apologize to anyone but yourself. intellect does not equal wisdom. your philosophy is to attack and divide people. great way to conquer the world (ala Rome), but terrible way to rule it (also ala Rome).

Progress has never been made without division. However, I do not support its use as a capitalist device. As such, I must kindly deny your allegations and assure you my intentions are positively oriented.

at least Jesus was about uniting people under spiritual truth, whereas you are about furthering spreading your indoctrinated opinions. Think I'mma trust him over you.

The epitome of irony. I don't ask that people kneel before me and swear their allegiance on my family crest or whatever. I ask that they take my thoughts into consideration and make an informed decision. I do not, however, demand it. And should they choose to ignore me entirely, that is also their decision - albeit a very telling one. Perhaps they will win the Darwin Award and preserve the integrity of our species.

I surely should not rule - no man should. Only God can.

All this being said, I'm going to say a prayer for you.

Be my guest. But I'm positive that you could spare your thoughts for a more worthwhile subject.

edit on 23-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

you are effectively asking religious folk to prove empirically a rationalist arguement... you are creating a false paradox with no solution and saying "see? it cannot be."

all I would like to point out is that what was once clear and distinct to me turned out to be false. and a prayer for someone like ya cannot be better used : ) I feel better now that ur trying to help again so I apologize for over reacting