Turns Out, Science and Religion Get Along Just Fine

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


Oh, are you a scientist?

If the time the universe has been in existence was compressed to a 24hr day humanity would cover 1 second.

Until I see a religious text mentioning the creation of man on the 5 trillionth day it's safe to assume religion is just a bunch of made up stuff to satisfy a need to know things that our technology and education could not meet at that stage.

Religion is a stop gap to make us feel all warm and fuzzy until science helps us answer the questions properly.

I've just convinced myself the OP is correct, they go hand in hand perfectly.

reply to post by raymundoko


Yeah! Mate, that's what I've been saying too! Is God and Evolution mutually exclusive? Darwin said, No.

One can go in the hand of the other. But for the sake of sensationalism, the media never present that option. So people stay stuck in prejudice.

swanne
reply to post by raymundoko

 

Yeah! Mate, that's what I've been saying too! Is God and Evolution mutually exclusive? Darwin said, No.

One can go in the hand of the other. But for the sake of sensationalism, the media never present that option. So people stay stuck in prejudice.

If you have evolution, then there's no need for a god. Otherwise, God's role becomes painfully apparent - he is not there as a matter of science, but as a matter of human fear. Our need to fill in the gaps is stronger than our desire to do it right.

reply to post by swanne


Jesus was sent down to be sacrificed because of original sin.

Evolution means no garden of Eden and no Eve.

No Eve means no original sin and no reason for Jesus to die.

It doesn't make a huge amount of difference as no one really believes the bible anyway. They pick the bits they like and ignore the bits they don't. And when that doesn't work like in the case of evolution they make up their own bits to reconcile the discrepancies.

There are major problems with this post.....

First off 85% of all Nobel prize winners believe in natural evolution. So I don't buy there poll where only 18% of scientists but into natural evolution. Makes you wonder what "scientists" they polled.

#2: of course most religious people think science and religion co exist. It's completely illogical to pretend that god works your microwave not science. Science is proven you can't deny it! You can shove your belief system into the parts science hasn't learned the mechanics behind yet.

reply to post by Krahzeef_Ukhar


Nicely said!

AfterInfinity
If you have evolution, then there's no need for a god. Otherwise, God's role becomes painfully apparent - he is not there as a matter of science, but as a matter of human fear. Our need to fill in the gaps is stronger than our desire to do it right.

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Not true, I see evolution as a very intelligent design.

Would God not have made his creatures so they can adapt to changing environments? Otherwise why are our traits being passed onto our children?

reply to post by raymundoko


The two are absolutely reconcilable. The problem is not with religion and science; it is with religious zealots and arrogant scientists.

Spirituality is science and science is full of spirituality. Just ask Neil deGrasse Tyson about his thoughts on our origins and you will get a response that is lined with a spiritual awe at our cosmos.



The two are definitely not exclusive.



I don't know why I'm focusing on Dr. Tyson other than the fact that he's probably the most common sense scientist I've ever seen who "gets it".

iRoyalty

AfterInfinity
If you have evolution, then there's no need for a god. Otherwise, God's role becomes painfully apparent - he is not there as a matter of science, but as a matter of human fear. Our need to fill in the gaps is stronger than our desire to do it right.

edit on 23-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Not true, I see evolution as a very intelligent design.

Would God not have made his creatures so they can adapt to changing environments? Otherwise why are our traits being passed onto our children?

What is so great about disease, viruses, and deformities? Or for that matter wisdom teeth, tail bones, and blind spots in the eyes.

That is one # up creator.

Grimpachi
What is so great about disease, viruses, and deformities? Or for that matter wisdom teeth, tail bones, and blind spots in the eyes.

That is one # up creator.

Ah yes, this is a different kettle of fish but still, the strongest survive and a species is empowered...

Except us because medicine screwed that up, says the NHS employee haha

reply to post by Cuervo


Noel degrasse Tyson is a very well known atheist..... In fact he had Goddtweets on star talk recently making fun of the God concept.

The fact is, that if Jesus shows up mon morning with proof he's the son of god. Then every scientist and atheist on the planet will convert. Why? Because there motivated by logic and reason to find the truth. So if that's the truth and there's proof. They won't deny it. Because your open to the possibility doesn't mean you back that idea!

It's the religious who are unmovable. Christianity didn't change it's beliefs when they found proof of evolution or the 4 billion year old earth. You can't place the extremists on both sides argument on the science side of things. You can't get mad at scientists for trying to disprove the bible. That's how science works! You come up with a hypothesis then crest experiments to prove and disprove yourself. It's a compliment that they respected it enough to need to disprove it!

The religious get mad when their Faith is called into question. When they should be mad at their faith for being questionable.

ArtemisE
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Noel degrasse Tyson is a very well known atheist..... In fact he had Goddtweets on star talk recently making fun of the God concept.

No he is not:
"I can't agree to the claims by atheists that I'm one of that community."
He has a few quotes aligning him to the agnostic camp.

I also make fun of the god concept but I'm far from being an atheist.

ArtemisE
The fact is, that if Jesus shows up mon morning with proof he's the son of god. Then every scientist and atheist on the planet will convert. Why? Because there motivated by logic and reason to find the truth. So if that's the truth and there's proof. They won't deny it. Because your open to the possibility doesn't mean you back that idea!

That's exactly why there are plenty of religious scientists who believe because of a personal gnosis experience.

ArtemisE
It's the religious who are unmovable. Christianity didn't change it's beliefs when they found proof of evolution or the 4 billion year old earth. You can't place the extremists on both sides argument on the science side of things. You can't get mad at scientists for trying to disprove the bible. That's how science works! You come up with a hypothesis then crest experiments to prove and disprove yourself. It's a compliment that they respected it enough to need to disprove it!

That is a broad paintbrush thingie you're doing there. Religious extremists and arrogant scientists are both unmovable. There are plenty of reasonable people on both aisles, however.

ArtemisE
The religious get mad when their Faith is called into question. When they should be mad at their faith for being questionable.

Again, you are making a very generalized statement. A person defending their faith has nothing to prove, especially if that person is a scientist. It is the person defending their church or dogmatic religion that gets mad.

You are attacking the spirituality behind faith when it sounds like your beef is really with the institution of it.

reply to post by Cuervo


Fair enough he's agnostic. But he doesn't believe there's a mysterious force secretly controlling our day to day lives.

There are religious scientists . But none they came to religion out of scientific experimentation. They all had an outside of work religious awakening then some try and shove there personal spirituality into there work.

Doing experiments to prove your faith is awesome! It's what science is all about! But the loudest take what they have to know are false theories and pretend like the scientific community has a conspiracy against them..... Do you know how famous the guy proving religion would be!!! More famous them Darwin, Newton, devinci.

Who would turn down that, just to back the establishment.... No one that's who.

ArtemisE
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Fair enough he's agnostic. But he doesn't believe there's a mysterious force secretly controlling our day to day lives.

There are religious scientists . But none they came to religion out of scientific experimentation. They all had an outside of work religious awakening then some try and shove there personal spirituality into there work.

Doing experiments to prove your faith is awesome! It's what science is all about! But the loudest take what they have to know are false theories and pretend like the scientific community has a conspiracy against them..... Do you know how famous the guy proving religion would be!!! More famous them Darwin, Newton, devinci.

Who would turn down that, just to back the establishment.... No one that's who.

Honestly, I don't believe that. Just like you can prove things to a fundamentalist who will refuse to believe it, there are "scientists" who would scoff at evidence of anything not aligning to Newtonian physics just like there are many who refuse to accept any conclusions drawn by many experts in the quantum physics fields. In fact, most non-Newtonian researchers are viewed by their peers as being just as ridiculous as the New Earth fundies.

Changing paradigms in academics has always been a resisted process, full of suppressed voices and very loud curmudgeons.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Every theories scientists have, they created it because they had faith it was the good one. Every actions one makes, one makes it because one has faith in that action's efficiency. Every ideas one has, one has them because one has faith that they are the right one. At which point does faith becomes Faith?

Why must we reject the theory that there is something greater than ourselves? It's a theory just like any others.

swanne
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

Every theories scientists have, they created it because they had faith it was the good one. Every actions one makes, one makes it because one has faith in that action's efficiency. Every ideas one has, one has them because one has faith that they are the right one. At which point does faith becomes Faith?

Why must we reject the theory that there is something greater than ourselves? It's a theory just like any others.

Must we go through this again? I know I'm not the first person to explain it, and I know you've been around long enough to see others explain it. Theories are not published because of faith. They are published because documented observations have been used to draw and test an idea of how those observations reflect our reality. Not a single element is taken for granted, because that could be the element that proves the theory doesn't work. Faith has very little to do with it. Experimentation, observation, and analysis have everything to do with it.

reply to post by Krahzeef_Ukhar


Jesus didn't sacrificed himself for the original sin. He supposedly sacrificed so that through him all sins (including future sins) would be abolished, the condition being that one follows Jesus. Just wanted to put it straight for ya.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


There is more to our universe than what a bunch of humans can measure.

swanne
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

There is more to our universe than what a bunch of humans can measure.

...Says the human.