Screw the left wing, I love the USA!

Dom, thus, the monroe doctrine.

Cuba and Panama were in our own backyard. We secured local interests, relatively small potatoes at that time (except panama. You cant be isolationist unless u have some sort of big stick to shake back.

Depends on how you define standard of living. Its actually declined in the moral and spiritual sense. I do not define standard of living by how many TVs you have, how many cars u have, how many tons of burgers u can gobble in a year. I define it by general standing of society. Our entry into the world scene really ruined this. We once enjoyed a very decentralized govornemnt, with opportunities for anything before us. Society was not so empty and twisted, there was more community amongst the people. The 1030's was after world war 1...........im talking even before that. We should have been left alone. What used to be a country that was relatively carefree, deregulated, and truly free, now is a depressed, schitzophrenic cesspool of rot. We needed not worry about threats to national security before, after all, we werent much. Just a wide stretch of loosy connected states here and there. Nothing of much interest.

Now we have a huge debt. Now we are the threat adn the threatened. Now we have found the need of constrictive agencies and a huge, constrictive gov. All that freedom we once really did enjoy has pretty much dwindled to nothing. The poor farmer need not hire security to guard his chickens and wheat, but the very wealthy man who runs the town needs to live in a prison.

I still find the phrase "grow up and act like an adult" amusing. The us is a 12 year old. We cannot act like adults. And we cannot do what the world wants us to do. The world only cares whats in its best interests. It has always been like this. We should do the same. Sadly, tho, we are not. Oil is not in our best interests. Anything that holds a chain around our necks to foreign intervention and such is not good for us.

Isolation is. Perhaps Americans need to learn sacrifice once again, and thus, tho our material standard of living may be reduced, the other rewards are worth far more.

Its very much in Europes best interest that America stay in debt and play the role in world affairs THEY want us to play, but not in ours. Time to cut the umbellical cord and crawl back and start over again.

Originally posted by abstract_alao

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
I figure that with the majority of the sissy left wing Bill Clinton clones posting thoughts every 12 minutes, that we needed to open a topic giving praise to our great land.


To start, I love the fact that a terrorist will NEVER change MY LIFESTYLE.

Thank God for America,

I couldn't imagine living anywhere else! I like the opportunities to succeed that start at birth (Before you start, you get out of life what you put into it, don't start the racism crap). I like the fact that we can and do protest when we disagree with the government with no fear of death. I enjoy the fact that I CAN buy a $40,000 car tomorrow, I love the fact that I am college educated as our 90% of my peers (my peers, mind you). I really appreciate football on Sundays, anf Lebron JAMES coming home to C-Town. I love to hate American Idol. I love the fact that we are the melting pot containing many peoples, ironically with the same lineage of the idiots who insult us regularly on this very website. I like being #1,


All in all I love the USA!

And I just wanted you to know, if you don't like, bob up and kiss my ass!

However the government is not a melting pot. In fact it really doesn�t represent the whole of American people. All most all of the politicians are in secret societies. And if your not in one your political career will be short and brief.


The reason that most Americans have a comfortable lifestyle is because...

1) they really don�t own anything they have.
2) we exploit other countries and put them into debt so that they have to give up all of there natural resources.

So buy you $40,000 dollar car that will take you 20 years to pay off and buy your wife a diamond that has been taken from another country at the cost of many peoples live. Just remember this when the sh*t hits the fan your government (i.e. the elite secret societies) that you love so much won�t think twice to leave you�re a** to soak up that wonderful radiation

we realy dont own anything we have? ok you sound like a commie! how do you klnow that government members are in secret societies? how do you know. you poeple always complain when even the littlest things dont go your way. I LIKE BEING NUMBER 1! hell everybody wants to be number one

Originally posted by Fry2
Japan is capable of making arguably the best cars because we re built the country after WWII and now they are a modern society with free trade and a good economy.
[sarcasm] Oh wait never mind I forgot. America only attacked Japan for the Sushi and Mitzubishi factory. [/sarcasm]

no germany makes the best cars in any post world war II country.

I agree. I like being in the best country in the world. And I DO own a great deal of what I have....and more everyday.

I find it absolutely astonishing at the number people who have such an aversion to capitalism. I wish we could find a fair good sized piece of land some where that we could drop their little socialist butts on and let them all be economically equal. (They'd still hate us, but at least they only have one communal computer and the number of hateful entries would go down.)

Originally posted by AegisFang
The left wing (democrats in particular) is nothing more than an extension of the communist party. the left wing is trying to turn the USA into another soviet union (which i don't understand since communism doesn't work). communism is great, until you implement it's principles and the people decide that living in mediocrity sucks. so i say hell yeah screw the left wing and all that it stands for. burn the pro abortion activists, the pro drug, anti gun hippies and let this country be run by constitutionally minded conservatives. now some of you might take offence to this post, and i say, good. it will make you think about what you believe in and reconsider your stance. maybe someday this country will be perfect but not until all you lefties realize you envision a dream world that will never happen or if for some reason it does happen, work.

AND WE HAVE A WINNER! i like the part about the left wing being a part of communism. so true its scary!

Please let us get back to some intelligant discussion in this topic please.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. It implies that "liberals" hate America which is NOT the case. In fact, I contend that every modicum of progress America has made has been because of liberal ideology. In fact, I contend that our Founding Fathers were LIBERALS b/c their ideas were novel and progressive for those times when this country was founded.

On the other hand, conservatives tend to look to the past, are not forward thinkers, and are generally akin to facists.

Both "wings" are extremist knobbers.

The crap spewed by both sides is truly amazing... no one is innocent, no "side" is better than the other... unless of course, centrist is a side.

The middle seems like nice place lately... sitting on the fence is much less painful than it used to be.

Originally posted by dom
I think the people did gain. Certainly, the standard of US life in the 50s compared to US life in the 30s was considerably better (if the history books don't lie), not sure the same was true in many countries.

I don't think the US were so naive about foreign policy issues coming up to WW1/2. Cuba was originally invaded in 1898 wasn't it? Mexico was invaded before that (with the appropriation of California if I remember). And then we have the sorry history of ethnic cleansing for 100's of years before (started by the Brits, but carried on with some enthusiasm by the US). And Panama was taken from Columbia in the 19th century wasn't it? Filipines was early 20th?

The US shouldn't become isolationist, but it should start acting like a responsible adult.

You are right, we'll stop sending you food and money so you can learn how to be self sufficient. Or is that even possible anymore. Stop cutting off the hand that feeds you.

The simple fact that this thread exists poves tht Ann Coulter has accomplished her mission and can go back to her own personal ring of hell. Any ideology other than the right wing's will not be tolerated! Both sides of the extremist ideologies need to pull their heds out. The middle built this country and we plan on keeping it!

The middle did not build this country, you should know better than that. The majority of the founding father's of this country that MADE any type of decision were definitely fundamentalists.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any writings by Thomas Jefferson that are fundamentalist in origin. Besides what the heck are you talking about? Are you talking about religious fundamentalism? If you are you are so wrong I won't even try to help you. Besides, the political ideologies of the founding fathers was pretty radical AND liberal for the time. We ARE talking about people living in a time that believed monarchies were the best form of government. Of course WE look at John Adams and say, Man he was conservative, but for his time he was far from it. So exactly what do you mean by fundamentalist?

My meaning is this, they were fundamentalist in a sense of how they lived life. They worked hard, prayed hard, respected each other and the views entailed. That being said, they were conservative, you can't place a wall and say before XXXX that wasn't considered a conservative life style.

Do you think they would tolerate abortion? Welfare? Reduced penalties for crimes? NAFTA? if they were alive to vote today?

Please respond, I enjoy your take.

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
My meaning is this, they were fundamentalist in a sense of how they lived life. They worked hard, prayed hard, respected each other and the views entailed. That being said, they were conservative, you can't place a wall and say before XXXX that wasn't considered a conservative life style.

Do you think they would tolerate abortion? Welfare? Reduced penalties for crimes? NAFTA? if they were alive to vote today?

Please respond, I enjoy your take.

I love your condecending tone.
Let's define conservative first... here is what dictionary.com says it is. Seven definitions.
1.Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2.Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3.Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5.Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6.Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7.Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.

OK, that being established can you still argue that the founding fathers wanted to preserve the political or social status quo? If you can then you just proved that they wanted to stay under British rule.

Now as for the "they worked hard, played hard" comment, you insinuate by this that anyone leans left in their views does not do this. Making that statement in the first place goes against your arguement as you are not respecting the other sides view. Adn personally, as someone who leans a tad left of center I take offense at the insinuation that I am lazy, hedonistic, irreligious and closeminded.

Your final question as to whether of not the founding fathers would tolerate abortion and whatnot, is a loaded question. There is no way to answer this as these are not things that could not happen in their reality. The world, just in case you did not notice, is VASTLY different today. Just because you want them to fall in line with your views does not make it so.

The grass roots definition of conservative would go more along the lines of a republican in your book right?

That being said, 90% of the population DID NOT want to revolt against the British authority, and when they were convinced, they wanted to live exactly as they had before they seperated from Britain even so much as some wanting a king!Look whom came into power right after the conflict, the wealthy whom owned land and already had some form of power before hand. For every TJ there were 4 Sam Adams, but we are getting away from the point here.

My point is that even then those who had power, earned the power, they set the guidelines almost right along the same lines as the British, which were undeniably conservative.

[Edited on 11-8-2003 by Shining Wizard]

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
The grass roots definition of conservative would go more along the lines of a republican in your book right?

Well, I would like to hear your definition of grass roots conservatism beore I make a comment.

That being said, 90% of the population DID NOT want to revolt against the British authority, and when they were did, they wanted to live exactly as they had before they seperated from Britain.

I think your percentiles are a tad inflated but I concur that the majority of the people just did not care about the issue. They were busy trying to farm the land. The cites are where the real rebellion was created. But there is no point debating this here.

Look whom came into power right after the conflict, the wealthy whom owned land and already had some form of power before hand. For every TJ there were 4 Sam Adams, but we are getting away from the point here.

You are correct here. But TJ gave the Sam Adams' the right to vote of they owned land, which was a quantum leap in political ideology. Not something King George wanted to allow the commoners.

My point is that even then those who had power, earned the power, they set the guidelines almost right along the same lines as the British, which were undeniably conservative.

My arguement here is still.. the vote. But I will concede that they managed to hold the power in the monied bloodlines.

You don't seem to understand that a socialist governement is the only solution to the problems your country has, as a matter of fact, it is the best solution for any country.

But is you don't understand, well to hell with you all. You'll soon feel the wrath of the socialist ideal!

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by ScienceDude]

Originally posted by ScienceDude
You don't seem to understand that a socialist governement is the only solution to the problems your country has, as a matter of fact, it is the best solution for any country.

But is you don't understand, well to hell with you all. You'll soon feel the wrath of the socialist ideal!

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by ScienceDude]

Bro, socialist governments are about 0-4 right now, but thanks for the input : )

Hail mother Russia!

Originally posted by ScienceDude
You don't seem to understand that a socialist governement is the only solution to the problems your country has, as a matter of fact, it is the best solution for any country.

But is you don't understand, well to hell with you all. You'll soon feel the wrath of the socialist ideal!

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by ScienceDude]

go bitch to lenin or stalin. somebody who gives a damn you commie punk. maybe even mao or kimmy!

"Please let us get back to some intelligant discussion in this topic please." - JediMaster

It seems to me that if you're going to encourage intelligent discussion you should,
1. use correct grammer when asking
2. be capable of it yourself
3. have an intelligent topic. "Screw the left wing I love america", isn't and if you think it is...you should probably just go back to watching tv before you hurt yourself.



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