North Korea’s Kim Jong-un forced mothers to drown newborn babies: U.N. report

reply to post by grandmakdw


My comment was tongue in cheek... It was meant to come across as comparing what this administration is doing to that of north korea.

As for speaking up - That has been an ongoing issue for some time now, however it was not that people weren't speaking up. It was more along the lines of media not reporting on it and the UN being concerned about other things, like how to bilk billions more out of the US so they can waste the money on crap they don't need.

The topic really comes down to one question - Should the nations of the world intervene or should they stay out?

If we go into N. Korea for humanitarian reasons, then we are obligated to go into any other country who treats its citizens in the same manner as N. Korea.

Fundamentally the US is going to get screwed no matter what decision we make.

If we intervene they will scream that we are putting our noses in where it does not belong. If we don't do anything the world will scream because we are doing nothing.

I think the UN / nations of the world really need to decide exactly what it is they want out of the US. The games the UN / nations of the world play are getting old.

Like the recent report on North Korea. I don't see Australia jumping up and down to go in militarily, even though it was an Australian investigator who investigated and put the report together.

Secondly, should the UN successfully bring this issue to the ICC, then they have lost all credibility since the ICC charter prohibits the use of the ICC towards nations who are not members of it. This brings us to the follow up argument of universal jurisdiction, a theory put forth by Europe that essentially claims that if injustice is occurring, and the nation it is occurring in fails to act, then the world community must act.

Last I checked the Us had the bulk of the foreign forces in S. Korea. Europe pretty much went home, even though both nations are technically in a state of war.

I am all for the Europeans to lead by example.
The question is will they?

reply to post by Auricom


Why would the US invade? There's nothing there of value worth raping...there's no benefit. It'll be a financial black hole all for what? To save a population?!? BAH!! Not worth it.....

That's the sad reality of most of the wars fought between 2001 and Now.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Yeh, somehow I don't see you invading Saudi Arabia and Israel.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I love that the UN warned him he "could" be tried for crimes against humanity if he continues his evil ways.

The UN, ICC, what a complete joke.

LightAssassin
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Yeh, somehow I don't see you invading Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Invade them for what?

reply to post by Xcathdra


Humanitarian rights abuses.

p.s. Australia is the US's lap dog....we ain't doing anything that you don't first indicate we can do.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I am not sure that anyone will intervene, because as has been stated, the country has been stripped of anything useful to the rest of the world.

Also, I'm not convinced that most governments of the world wouldn't relish treating their citizens just like that if given a chance and ensuring their own eternal party line power. That's the danger, that is why the Holocaust happened. No one intervened because of the Holocaust, they intervened because their own power bases were being directly threatened. In hindsight we put the glow of righteousness on WWII. But trust me if Hitler had stayed put in Germany, no other country would have intervened, taken refugees yes, but intervened, I don't think so.

Dizak
Nuke it
Pave it
Put the worlds biggest Walmart in the middle

You seriously didn't just compare the US ending a war of aggression against it by dropping a bomb on Hiroshima ... to what is happening in North Korea ... really? Comeon ... That's absurd.

ken10
Yeah, and Saddam was throwing babies out of incubators !!!......Same old BS, and if you fall for it again then shame on you.

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Don't tell me, you are a socialist, or a communist which is why you are trying to claim this is not true...

This is the path that socialism, and communism lead to. Heck, take a look at the latest country to embrace "socialism" (actually communism, but started with socialism) Venezuela... People didn't have it so bad before Chavez, now people are fighting at supermarkets for the last, few food items available... All news papers, and radio stations are owned by the state, and the ones that weren't were forced to close down and their owners were charged on criminal charges of "tainting the image of the messiah Chavez" and other trumped up charges with the ultimate excuse to close the last few media sources of information from inside the country that opposed Chavez...

Heck, look at the U.S.... the Dems, and the Obama administration want to do, and have tried to do similar things.... You get "progressive" institutions claiming that being a conservative, Republican, or anything resembling a true patriot is not only a danger to "progress", but should be clamped down on, censored or even banned for "progress" in a civilized world to continue on it's path...

This is what leftwing mania leads to.

BTW, the same thing goes to RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) who go against the law of the land, aka the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights within it.

Before we go blaming Kim for all these problems, just how much responsibility does the international community need to accept in all of this? Things have been a mess long before Kim took charge and as long as sanctions are the only answer he international community can find to respond to the challenges things will remain pretty much the same.

reply to post by kwakakev


What blame should the international community be taking exactly?

What you see is what you get with the DPRK and it's literally been a Rinse and Repeat since the initial nuclear agreements in the early 90's. Before Kim, it was his Father Kim. He rattled sabers when they needed bags of rice and fuel oil too. All the while, as we all now know, making nukes while swearing on everything in sight that he wasn't. So much for those promises... They made their own bed though and have threatened war with anyone who would try and help their people in any meaningful way.

What can ya do? Kill 'em to save 'em? I vote waiting out the little tyrant. He doesn't sound real stable if uncles are going to summary execution. That Uncle had been thought of as one of the stabilizing forces and legacy from Dear Dad. That wasn't a real positive sign. Anyone seen his Sister or other Brother lately? The one originally destined to rule before being busted trying to sneak into Tokyo Disney? (No kidding.. Really did)

This Kim family must have genetic defects that cause mental illness. No normal human can be as cruel and disgusting as the family that rules North Korea. I really don't understand why we have laws preventing our CIA etc... from assassinating people like this where it is obvious evil. Is it really morally better to wage war where thousands die than just killing the leaders of these evil countries?

reply to post by kwakakev

So you think international sanctions make it ok to kill babies and commit mass murder and starve the population of North Korea by it's leader? Really? Did you really go there?

reply to post by LightAssassin


And that's why I said should.

At Ken10, that was a rather obtuse comment. The U.S. and other countries around the world aren't interested in invading N.K., so whats the use for making all of this up? The Kim family have been known for being barbarians. A simple sign of what kind of mindset they're in is exemplified by their grand monuments to themselves. While the people go hungry, go without electricity at night, these tools are building monuments to their pathetic Dear Leader.

At what point in our History did we decide that people are not responsible for choices / actions they make? Ive noticed a disturbing trend where people ignore what a government does while trying to blame the government of another nation for those actions.

Kim's dynasty in north Korea was put in place by Russia / China at the end of WWII. The government of north Korea is responsible for the manner in which it treats its citizens, not the rest of the world.

If the kim dynasty wants to kill its citizens, its on them. If other nations don't agree with it, they have the right to refuse to do business with the regime, and vice versa.

Had the west finished the job and we have a united korea, I am sure people would be bitching about that, going down the road of interventionist policies. If the west does not do anything then they are somehow responsible for the conditions in the north.

I am just getting tired of the constant blame game people want to play based on which country they want to drag through the mud for reasons other than the ones linked to the article.

reply to post by Xeven


Well no really, the killing of babies is a very ancient practice that still some countries practice, including obviously NK even China was know to practice this and the UK and other countries in which prostitutes would do so with perfectly healthy baby boys keeping the baby girls alive, you could find this in history.

That is why places like NK do not have a big population of disable people, in todays modern day we tend to see this practices as cruel and criminal and with good reason as many disable people has proven to become outstanding members of society and productive.

But in countries that populations are a problem do to poverty or other reasons, this practice is still actually practical for them in their views but an abomination for us.

Remember the government encourage the practice but the families and specially the mothers have to be willing participants.

Now if the babies were taken from the families and killed by the government this is actually considered a human rights violation and should be taken by the international community very seriously.

xavi1000
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Thanks for that. I'll watch the rest of it later.

ken10
Yeah, and Saddam was throwing babies out of incubators !!!......Same old BS, and if you fall for it again then shame on you.

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When i saw the title of the article i had a feeling something wasn't quite right about it. You nailed it prefect.

Seems some ATS members are slowly becoming more interventionist stance, seems Big Brother War Propaganda is working and catching on.

If you believe this then you would believe every lie that comes out of the news on TV then.

Any time in the world that there is someone doing things as abominable as Kim Un is doing, the rest of the world should intervene and kill the bastard..
You would think our scary black budget would have a satellite they could use and just zoom in on the little SOB and fry his brains with a beam of energy..,