It's time to end humanity.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Evolution will tell

Not sure I see what you mean by "evolution will tell" when speaking of someone not human creating a new religion.

Are you talking ...like...apes, whales? What?

A human (who now in this thread is a no-no to call human) evolving into a whole different being then creating a religion?

reply to post by Koyaanisqatsi


Why so few stars for the op..
A really Interesting read sir.

reply to post by Koyaanisqatsi


Your suggesting that mankind is dissuaded from developing neural connections that lead to spiritual development in the masses, when in fact. That may be the only thing necessary to make the masses aware, as to what we all have in common with each other?

I understand where you are coming from and I agree to an extent.

How we define ourselves is relative to what we understand and today our understanding of our surroundings is quite different than even in relation to the recent past (even in 1930 where the Milky Way was referenced as an, "Island Universe").

reply to post by Chamberf=6

Hinduism, at more than 1 billion believers is of some "consequence" to my thinking. They have a different view…

Sure. The belief if you were incarnated into the lower positions of their caste system, you must of done something in a past life to deserve it.

Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

Hinduism, at more than 1 billion believers is of some "consequence" to my thinking. They have a different view…

Sure. The belief if you were incarnated into the lower positions of their caste system, you must of done something in a past life to deserve it.

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Back to the post you responded to of mine and my reply to you...

Hindus don't think we came from dirt in their creation stories/myths.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Religion didn't happen overnight. It grew, developed, transformed. It started out as simple as ritual burials. Full stop. Now look at it. Gods, ceremonies, daily prayers, devoted establishments, last rites, etc. As we have evolved, so has spirituality. That's why I say evolution will tell. Our next level up should yield all sorts of revolutions, don't you think?

reply to post by Koyaanisqatsi

Take back your authority. It's the only thing that needs to be done. It is very simple, and after reading this, that is what you will do.

This post may only be read by a few, but everyone who does will change. Either it will be in the form of a seed that sprouts in it's own time or it will be the last click in a cogwheel already in motion.

Really?

What if some of us don't recognize the authorities you speak of in the first place as leaders spiritual or political, etc.?

What if some of us learned long ago that we are Beings that BE, and continually Become?

People don't go around referring to human Beings actually meaning dirt people. (maybe a few do, but..)

I'm all for recognizing one's significance and that of others, and not "bowing down" to others just because of titles.

I understand your "manifesto", but I'm not so sure it is groundbreaking or paradigm changing.

I think you did a good job expressing yourself and respect that you did, but there are just some things I simply don't agree with.

reply to post by Koyaanisqatsi


very good post brother

peace

These kind of attitudes may be forgivable from an angst ridden teenager with low self esteem, but as an adult member of the human race I have much greater faith in our role in this planet's evolution and advancement.

We may make mistakes, but ultimately we belong here as much as any other creature and should feel no shame about our domination or privileged position. We are meant to be, even if we do eventually die out. Whether you believe in a God or not, we are part of the universal consciousness that is appropriate to this time and space.

reply to post by Chamberf=6

Hindus don't think we came from dirt in their creation stories/myths.

From my understanding people are ultimately emanations of Brahmā.

A step up from dust and ribs.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

Religion didn't happen overnight. It grew, developed, transformed. It started out as simple as ritual burials. Full stop. Now look at it. Gods, ceremonies, daily prayers, devoted establishments, last rites, etc. As we have evolved, so has spirituality. That's why I say evolution will tell. Our next level up should yield all sorts of revolutions, don't you think?

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So basic understanding of the world around us had nothing to do with it?

Religion started with burials, full stop?

Nobody found gods in the sun, storms, weather, water, volcanoes, earthquakes, etc. and did no religious practices to try to appease those "gods" to try to influence those things?

Burial is where religion started?

Primitive humans (oh my god, I mean beings) slowly discovered things about the natural world and yes, slowly spirituality changed.

But early man wasn't the group of complete morons many seem to think.

In the relative near past, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans accomplished astounding things from advancements in math, science, machines, architecture, etc.
Yet they still believed in many of those same sort of primitive understandings of gods.

Where did this evolution to the "next level up" happen then?

Was it evolution or basic and growing understanding of the world they lived in? Did the evolution of the inner being go so lightening fast that such dramatic changes just suddenly started to happen in the last 2000-3000 years?

Are you one who thinks that we as a people will "level up" to that nebulous higher dimension that ATS speaks of so often?

Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

Hindus don't think we came from dirt in their creation stories/myths.

From my understanding people are ultimately emanations of Brahmā.

A step up from dust and ribs.

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Brahma is the supreme being, not dust and ribs. Nor just a "step up" from. No dirt mentioned. This kind of contradicts what you were saying several posts ago.

How dies Lord Brahma create? Some tell of how he grows lonely and splits himself in two to create male and female. Then he becomes one again and human beings are created. In the same way he creates all the other living things, from the great animals to the tiniest insects. Others say that everything comes from different parts of Lord Brahma's body. All the different animals and all the people come from his mouth, arms, thighs and feet. Everything comes from one - Lord Brahma, who is part of the Supreme One - so everything is part of the Supreme One. For this universe, this world and this Lord Brahma, like all those before and all those to come, will be destroyed by Lord Shiva.

Hindu Creation Story

reply to post by Chamberf=6

I never associated Hinduism with dirt.. Where did you draw that from my posts?

and when I said a "step up" I didn't mean the Atman within was just a step up from dirt and ribs. I was poking fun at the other faiths, suggesting how lame dust and ribs are in contrast.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


A point being that there is no difference between a supreme being and dust and ribs.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

I must have misunderstood when you mentioned that religions of any consequence went for the dirt origin.

Kashai
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

A point being that there is no difference between a supreme being and dust and ribs.

Please explain how there is no difference between a universal supreme being of creation of all things and dust and ribs?

reply to post by Chamberf=6


I don't know what evolution will bring us. I do, however, feel that this isn't the end of the road. If a meteor doesn't finish us, we are bound to evolve. Since previous evolutions have yielded leaps in comprehension and imagination, I can only assume the next stage will bring more of the same. We build space shuttles and virtual worlds. We've walked on the moon and photographed atomic shadows. Just imagine what we'll do in a few milennia. As our vision expands, so will our spirituality.

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I think your definition of evolution and mine are a wee bit different.

Koyaanisqatsi
Like the title says: It's time to end humanity. Now, what do I mean by that? It's got to do with what the word mean and how words, concepts, memes and attitudes influence the very way we think of and identify ourselves. Human, humanity, human being and humble are all words that points to us being created by someone else and implies our inferiority.

The words comes from the latin word "humus" which means earth or dirt. This word was given to "man" as a notion of "earthly beings," as opposed to the "gods". The hebrew name for the first "human" was, as we know, Adam. Which means ground (adamah). We must not forget that we are created by something far superior to us. Thus the need to be "humble" (here is that word again) and we must forever bow down and preferably prostrate ourselves on the gound.

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The irony in this is that we don't have to "bow down" to this worldview. But still, we give away our authority (from author - the ability to write your own story as opposed to playing the role that somenone else writes for you). But a "human" cannot do otherwise. It is already implied in the very name we use for ourselves. And we are constantly reminded of its existence. We meet these words everywhere (and from this moment, you will start noticing it too). "Fellow human beings", "human rights", Human Rights Watch, "humane society" etc. It became an archetype a long time ago. Its main function is to keep the "status quo" where shame, guilt and submission are important factors.

It's even more ironic when you know that it is only the king who can transfer authority... So, we did the act only a king can do when we gave our authority to someone(thing) else...

I am telling you that you are not a human being - unless you want to be.
There is no reason for you or me to be humble or bow down to anything!

We can look everyone and anything and any "god" straight in the eyes and be proud!
We have nothing to be ashamed of or anything to be humble in front of!

We are the real beings of flesh and blood that dukes this out!
We are carrying the universe on our shoulders! We are the real ones, and let no one or nothing tell you otherwise!
Be proud of that and of who and what you are! You have all reasons to be! (there's a pun here)

When you know this, you will find it easy to sift through all the "information" that floods the internet. Espescially in the "alternative/conspiratory" corners. You only have to ask yourself if the information empowers you and returns your authority or leaves you hanging. Are someone or something saying that it is going to fix things? You just have to stay calm and keep the hope up? Remember, someone has invested a lot in this ride and it can only go on as long as you don't remember who you really are. Make no mistake about this. I am not the only one who sees this.

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You are a man or a woman. But to truly be a man or woman, you must first strighten your spine and stand up right! Take back your authority. It's the only thing that needs to be done. It is very simple, and after reading this, that is what you will do.
Every time from now on, you will remember this whenever you cross the meme buried in the word: "human". You cannot stop it. As Victor Hugo put it: "No army can stop an Idea whos time has come."

It is time for you to join Mankind again and when you do, you will find that you never actually left. For some reason you were led to believe otherwise.

This post may only be read by a few, but everyone who does will change. Either it will be in the form of a seed that sprouts in it's own time or it will be the last click in a cogwheel already in motion. I don't know. I am only the messenger here.

Interesting post..

For what it's worth, I'd still prefer to be human, and be humble and bow down. Having gone through the years, it's damn tiring managing egos and handling pride of one's self or others. It's a lot more peaceful, peace of mind and peace of heart, to just let things be, provided it does not lessen my being human, whatever that may be. Lords can keep their kingdoms, governments can keep their laws, I'm still happy living in my little green patch of earth. Even when they take away my "freedoms", or confiscate my properties, does it really make me less human? Greed can only get you so far.. and then back into despair and emptiness. No amount of material possession can fully satisfy a person's emptiness from within.

Sometimes, we have to bow down for survival sake. Try standing up in front of a raging typhoon in the middle of it's intended path and you'll know what I mean.. It's not so much as taking back your authority or being on top of the food chain or whatever it is that will satisfy your thirst for power, it's rather about knowing your place in this earth or universe to live in peace and harmony. Animals are smarter than us for that. Even my dog is smarter than most so-called proud humans I've met.

Chamberf=6
Nobody found gods in the sun, storms, weather, water, volcanoes, earthquakes, etc. and did no religious practices to try to appease those "gods" to try to influence those things?

Burial is where religion started?

Primitive humans (oh my god, I mean beings) slowly discovered things about the natural world and yes, slowly spirituality changed.

But early man wasn't the group of complete morons many seem to think.

In the relative near past, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans accomplished astounding things from advancements in math, science, machines, architecture, etc.
Yet they still believed in many of those same sort of primitive understandings of gods.

I totally agree.. being practical, living within their capacities, and not some big-headed fantasies of becoming god or some deity.. I'd say primitive humans were just fine. They didn't know any better for lack of knowledge or better tools, but it didn't mean they were complete morons or idiots. Some of them are probably smarter than us relatively speaking.

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Ahhh.

Yeah I took the "slaves of dirt" a different direction

It's all clarified now though