Exposing what lies beneath the bodies of dead bankers and what lies ahead for us

The idea that the banks are monitored or influenced by the agency and vice versa shouldn't be a surprise. The agency uses high profile companies to insert it's operatives overseas, and uses companies in the United States for "cover for status".

The financial system in this country is just as important as the military infrastructure. When you understand the amount of probes into the banking system by high level I.O.'s doing collection on our most sensitive infrastructure, it shouldn't be surprising that the banks 'cooperate' with the CIA. The fact that there is fallout is just a casualty of war. People get rich in government and get rich in the banks. No system is perfect.

Blackmarketeer
reply to post by doobydoll

 

I can think of a lot of other ways to take out a street-level CCTV camera, rather than shooting it - I'm sure most people are reserved about shooting up a camera in a dense city out of concern for their fellow citizen. Maybe the next focus for protests is to take out those cameras. Problem is, the cameras are only a small percentage of the real surveillance taking place.

Streets in my town are deserted at night, not dense. It's easily possible to aim from a street corner without being seen and without endangering any people.

I know cctv cams are not the only surveillance spying on us, but they are overt and obvious and are easy to destroy from a street corner or bedroom window with a powerful pellet gun.

We don't have real guns over here, but at least my little gun-less town of a few thousand people are actually doing something with just BB's and paintballs, more than the whole population of the USA does about disrupting unwanted surveillance.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

Threats to the financial sector are a threat to national security. You can't get around that no matter how corrupt a rich guy is. If you are in the CIA, you have to work with what you have. Just because a blood works with a cartel doesn't mean they actually like each other.

And what better way to protect the financial sector than by having a number of bankers turn up "suicided." Would you suggest these bankers were a threat to national security? Or did they all suddenly develop pangs of remorse for their lifestyle and decided to pack it in?

Would it not be better, if protecting the financial sector was the real goal, to use a regulating body like the SEC? Not our existing SEC, which has been gutted to the point of being little more than a rubber stamp for the Big Banks to do as they please. What we have here is the wolves of Wall Street watching themselves, they are in charge of the hen house. They bought their way in, and now the CIA and NYPD are just a surveillance tool for them.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Nope. Not surprised.


F&S

reply to post by doobydoll


Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but it won't solve anything. We most likely have no idea how covert some of this surveillance is.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


"Conservatives" and "liberals" are both working for "plutocrats," be it knowingly or unknowingly. They are all really just "people," though.

Blackmarketeer
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

Threats to the financial sector are a threat to national security. You can't get around that no matter how corrupt a rich guy is. If you are in the CIA, you have to work with what you have. Just because a blood works with a cartel doesn't mean they actually like each other.

And what better way to protect the financial sector than by having a number of bankers turn up "suicided." Would you suggest these bankers were a threat to national security? Or did they all suddenly develop pangs of remorse for their lifestyle and decided to pack it in?

Would it not be better, if protecting the financial sector was the real goal, to use a regulating body like the SEC? Not our existing SEC, which has been gutted to the point of being little more than a rubber stamp for the Big Banks to do as they please. What we have here is the wolves of Wall Street watching themselves, they are in charge of the hen house. They bought their way in, and now the CIA and NYPD are just a surveillance tool for them.

I don't think the CIA had anything to do with them getting suicided, but I could be wrong. All we know is that they were suicided. We don't know who did it. We know it is being covered up, but we don't know why. Your guess is as good as mine.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

"Conservatives" and "liberals" are both working for "plutocrats," be it knowingly or unknowingly. They are all really just "people," though.

I'll agree with you on that, although I sense you are referring to people in general, the middle and lower classes. The average working stiffs, paying their taxes, whether he/she holds conservative values or liberal values, don't differ by any appreciable margin. They are both very similar, and both want to do good by their fellow citizen and government - I think we can all agree to that, yes?

But that's not what I refer to by "Conservatives" - the Plutocrats running the show among the big banking circles or the halls of government. These are corporatists, perverting government to serve the needs of the wealthiest corporations and those running them. They use chants like "deregulation" and "trickle-down" and "job-creators" to goad us (just the "people") into caving into every one of their demands. Most of them claim to be "conservative" wrapping themselves in flags and family values, but really it's all about the wealth and power.

Blackmarketeer
The groundwork for this state of affairs goes right back to Ronald Reagan, who laid the foundations for corporatism and "trickle-down" economics. 30 years of this has produced a culture of the extreme wealthy who control virtually everything.

So they'd call it mission: successful, then.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Yes, but the entire "liberal" vs "conservative" paradigm is simply another form of control. Which preconceived construct of "values" do you hold to (preconceived by men and not God, I should add. Many "conservatives" will try to tell you that starving poor people is of God and then run for president)? The average American views the game being played as if it were checkers. Those who figure out that they are playing chess either A. join in the game or B. detach from the corrupt world they have been forced into by those who came before them and those who perpetuate it.

Preconceived constructs of thought constructed by who? The precepts the average citizen holds to out of a need for control are the same precepts that keep them controlled by others. That goes for both "liberals" and "conservatives."

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


The wolves of Wall Street are each on their own when it comes down to it. They don't and can't trust anyone, especially each other.

With all this covert and overt surveillance there is nowhere for them to run and hide when it comes on top for them, as they are now finding out.

FreeWillAnomaly

Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

The problem isn't the camera's per se, or who can shoot them out better, but why do we have the big Wall Street banks partnering with the CIA and NYPD to conduct surveillance in the first place?

Do you honestly believe that JP Morgan has any concern over street-level crime? Or are they using this system to maintain surveillance over their own executives - using the system they helped put in place to crack down on whistleblowers, etc.

Threats to the financial sector are a threat to national security. You can't get around that no matter how corrupt a rich guy is. If you are in the CIA, you have to work with what you have. Just because a blood works with a cartel doesn't mean they actually like each other.

So the enemy of my enemy is not my friend; they are working together to control me before they slug it out to decide who's in charge?

teapot

FreeWillAnomaly

Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

The problem isn't the camera's per se, or who can shoot them out better, but why do we have the big Wall Street banks partnering with the CIA and NYPD to conduct surveillance in the first place?

Do you honestly believe that JP Morgan has any concern over street-level crime? Or are they using this system to maintain surveillance over their own executives - using the system they helped put in place to crack down on whistleblowers, etc.

Threats to the financial sector are a threat to national security. You can't get around that no matter how corrupt a rich guy is. If you are in the CIA, you have to work with what you have. Just because a blood works with a cartel doesn't mean they actually like each other.

So the enemy of my enemy is not my friend; they are working together to control me before they slug it out to decide who's in charge?

The CIA, and the intelligence community in general, is not one cohesive group. But yes, your statement is normally true as a general rule. Not applicable here, though, in this context.

The Machine is playing them all.

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Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

The problem isn't the camera's per se, or who can shoot them out better, but why do we have the big Wall Street banks partnering with the CIA and NYPD to conduct surveillance in the first place?

Do you honestly believe that JP Morgan has any concern over street-level crime? Or are they using this system to maintain surveillance over their own executives - using the system they helped put in place to crack down on whistleblowers, etc.

You should see the camera systems that casinos install just to prevent their employees running scams or for players to use "card-counting methods". I think it's the same principle, only with Manhattan it is to prevent insider dealing.

doobydoll

Tindalos2013
reply to post by doobydoll

 

?how many gangs are operating in your hometown.

As far as I know? None.

Some of the 'cam shooters' are ordinary people with families who resent our tax money being spent on technology to spy on us but close down libraries and other community services. If our money bought the cams, then they are ours to destroy if we don't want them.

People are sick to the back teeth of not being listened to by authorities so now instead of being vocal or protesting, they are finding other ways to object and get what they want.

edit on 16-2-2014 by doobydoll because: (no reason given)

Here here! I say hurrah to those people! We need the same here.

doobydoll

Tindalos2013
reply to post by doobydoll

 

?how many gangs are operating in your hometown.

As far as I know? None.

Some of the 'cam shooters' are ordinary people with families who resent our tax money being spent on technology to spy on us but close down libraries and other community services. If our money bought the cams, then they are ours to destroy if we don't want them.

People are sick to the back teeth of not being listened to by authorities so now instead of being vocal or protesting, they are finding other ways to object and get what they want.

edit on 16-2-2014 by doobydoll because: (no reason given)

Too bad you guys can't find a way to confiscate the cameras, sell them, then build your own library. That would make world news and become a model for every town's populace.

I mean, it's cool that you guys are doing that (more than I'd have the guts to do, for sure) but it would be awesome if you also got what you wanted in addition to getting rid of what you don't.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Look into the background of those people who are in charge of our country and the CIA. We can't rely on government to save us, we must save ourselves because they don't consider our well being as their number one priority.

Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

The problem isn't the camera's per se, or who can shoot them out better, but why do we have the big Wall Street banks partnering with the CIA and NYPD to conduct surveillance in the first place?

Do you honestly believe that JP Morgan has any concern over street-level crime? Or are they using this system to maintain surveillance over their own executives - using the system they helped put in place to crack down on whistleblowers, etc.

For starters, I am not surprised at all about this. The CIA has partnered with many private firms in the past for less than decent reasons. See MKULTRA, for example. The NSA partnering with various tech companies to spy on us. Why not the CIA and banks? Its not like this is the first or last time these terrible two have been bed buddies. The CIA has worked with banks before for numerous reasons, like drug money laundering, ect. That the two would conduct surveillance together isn't much of a stretch.

The real question should be: who knows about this, and has either authorized or supported it? That will lead somewhere.