Informal Survey: Did America land astronauts on the Moon?

reply to post by RobertDeniro

What I'm about to say is hear say. Take it for what it's worth or not worth...

^^^ There's the problem right there!

To accept your story, we'd need to overlook the fact that you yourself are nought but an avatar and a pseudonym. We've no way of knowing what type of character you are in the real world.

For example, you might be a fine and honest character who's been taken in by a hoaxer. You might have had your leg pulled by a genuine Forces man. Conversely, you might be a fantasist or even an instinctual liar who's concocted that tale in the past half-hour.

For many on ATS, your 'hearsay' account will be added to their collection of other hearsay stories and used to dismiss the factual, material evidence that men walked on the moon. They'll overlook your apparently remarkable ability to recollect conversation rather than see the hallmarks of a fictional account.

** Before I go off-topic - it's A for me.

A.

Kandinsky
reply to post by RobertDeniro

 

What I'm about to say is hear say. Take it for what it's worth or not worth...

^^^ There's the problem right there!

To accept your story, we'd need to overlook the fact that you yourself are nought but an avatar and a pseudonym. We've no way of knowing what type of character you are in the real world.

For example, you might be a fine and honest character who's been taken in by a hoaxer. You might have had your leg pulled by a genuine Forces man. Conversely, you might be a fantasist or even an instinctual liar who's concocted that tale in the past half-hour.

For many on ATS, your 'hearsay' account will be added to their collection of other hearsay stories and used to dismiss the factual, material evidence that men walked on the moon. They'll overlook your apparently remarkable ability to recollect conversation rather than see the hallmarks of a fictional account.

** Before I go off-topic - it's A for me.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate and fully understand your take, it's apparent that what I have to say must be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not here to dissuade anyone from their views and in fact encourage those to fact find and conclude for themselves what they believe. I chose to voice my experience for the simple fact that it was an experience and one I'll never forget! I believe it had merit but who knows for sure. For all I know maybe I was taken for a ride, it's absolutely possible. For the most part I'm a good judge of character at least I'd like to think so. But nevertheless I truly believe what was said. It's hard to rationalize, yet in a weird way it's not! But draw your own conclusions.

reply to post by RobertDeniro


No worries

There are frequent examples of wild stories coming from within the forces as well as from Joe Public. A few years ago I met a guy who claimed to have been part of the Enigma code-breakers and then part of DARPA - he was coherent and plausible. Problem was he was 30 years too young and a wedding photographer! I knew more about his claims than he did...

reply to post by RobertDeniro


When I do the tally later, should I count you as a 'D,' no we didn't go to the Moon? Also, your mysterious military officer claimed that the asteroid belt was a danger. The asteroid belt lies on the far side of Mars, so he does not seem to know what he is talking about. Perhaps you should take your own advice and speak to a reputable scientist, rather than listening to poseurs.

zatara
And you say it yourself, the US public was bored and the government no money. Good reason to start a more expensive project with the space-shuttle.

Heres a perspective you may find interesting...

NASA Simply Stopped Being a Priority

As you can see from the graph below, NASA funding was a substantial part of the federal budget. There was a burst of funding and scientific activity in the 1960's, leading up to the 1969 moon landing and then funding dried up. Landing on the moon was no longer a priority and further space exploration, whether it be to Mars or other planets required a far greater investment.

Here we are in 2012. We heard George Bush talk about a mission to Mars but no money was provided. Meanwhile, China and India plan to send missions to the Moon in the next few years while the Russians talk about landing people on the moon. The Google Lunar X Prize is trying to stimulate the private sector to get involved but these efforts pale in comparison to the scale of effort needed to get there.

The landing on the moon in 1969 was one of humanity's greatest accomplishments so far. History may judge the United States well on some issues and poorly on others, but it will always note that America landed humans on the moon first. I recently attended a lecture at the Museum of Natural History where one of their astronomers lamented that the United States has squandered the last 40 years that it could have invested in space exploration. The speaker went on to contrast the United States' short term focus on landing on the moon with the long-term plans that the Chinese have for space exploration. He envisioned in the next 10 years America waking up to a panic, much like it did when Sputnik was launched, but that America would not be able to catch up to China's space technology in the same way that a decade of major investment pushed America past the Russian efforts in the 1960's.

As a country, we made a choice. For the past four decades, America's budget made it clear that space was not a top priority. As we think of America over the span of centuries and not from budget cycle to budget cycle, will we look back and ask ourselves whether the decision to abandon space was a wise decision? Or will historians look back and identify this decision as a textbook example of when America sacrificed long-term strategic goals for short-term interests?

ParasuvO
The Soviets felt victory and defeat, then abandoned moon plans for humans. ? ! ?

Apparently that's exactly what happened...

N1 (rocket)

Complex plumbing was needed to feed fuel and oxidizer into the clustered arrangement of rocket engines. This proved to be extremely fragile, and was a major factor in the design's launch failures. Furthermore the N1's Baikonur launch complex could not be reached by heavy barge. To allow transport by rail, all the stages had to be broken down and re-assembled. As a result, the complex and destructive vibrational modes (which ripped apart propellant lines and turbines) as well as exhaust plume fluid dynamic problems (causing vehicle roll, vacuum cavitation, and other problems) were not discovered and worked out before flight.

As a result of its technical difficulties, in turn due to lack of funding for full-up testing, the N1 never successfully completed a test flight. All four unmanned launches out of 12 planned tests ended in failure, each before first-stage separation. The longest flight lasted 107 seconds, just before first stage separation. Two test launches occurred in 1969, one in 1971 and the final one in 1972.

Mishin continued with the N1F project after the cancellation of plans for a manned moon landing in the hope that the booster would be used to launch a large space station comparable to the US Skylab. The program was terminated in 1974 when Mishin was replaced by Glushko. Two N1Fs were being readied for launch at the time, but these plans were canceled.
The program was followed by the "Vulkan" concept for a huge launch vehicle (with Syntin/LOX, later replaced by LH2/LOX as fuel on the 2nd and 3rd stages), and then in 1976 by the commencement of the Energia/Buran program.

A.

But I have a natural inclination to the suspicious.....and I don't doubt for one minute that we haven't been told the whole truth and certain things have been concealed from the general public, exactly what and why I have no idea.

DJW001
C) The American space program was even more extensive than publicly claimed.

No doubt of it.

A


Late to the party due to ice storm and power outage, sorry.

B is my answer. This resulted in the 'faked" moon landing videos etc.

Subsequent to the event of B I then think C has occurred.

Thanks for the great topic!

B) The American space program landed humans on the Moon, but there were extra-terrestrial encounters kept secret from the public. Definitely, no doubt

A.

The reason for me to say "A" is simple and to the point. I have a family member that worked for NASA for 35 years and was actually working a control panel when we LANDED ON THE MOON. This "moon landing hoax" idea is a big pile of crap and always has been. The fact is sometimes there is just NOT a conspiracy and things pretty much happen as history says they happened.....sigh.



I love a good story and am open to ideas on most topics but this time there is no conspiracy. Sorry to "burst" the conspiracy bubble on the moon landing folks.

(and don't even start with the whole "he could be lying to you story"). As the great Coach Ditka says.....STOP IT!

I think they brought back close to 28 pounds of moon rocks.

reply to post by 727Sky


On that subject...the following

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Who knows how many more of the so called Moon rocks are fake?

Someday someone will return and take pictures of the moon buggy and the relics of the Apollo moon landing..

The technology exists to get high res pics of the "landing" sites.....we can read a newspaper headline from space with spy sattelites, and thats through our dense atmosphere....yet all they can manage is grainy pixelated blobs and some lunar rover tracks that could easily have been photoshopped in? I call shenanigans.

And who's to say there was?

reply to post by seabhac-rua


There have been stories for many years coming out of Russia the Yuri Gagarin wasn't the first Russian in space....rather he was the first one that survived. If you google it you can learn more about it.

reply to post by deadcalm


Have you voted yet? If not, which response do you choose? Here are the current tallies:

A= 32
B= 7
C= 11
D= 13
E= 7

Out of a total field of 70 responses, 46% feel the historical record is accurate, 10% think that NASA landed men on the Moon but have kept some extra-terrestrial encounters secret, 16% believe that the space program was more extensive than publicized, 19% believe the landings were faked, and an additional 10% have other theories. (Figures do not add up to 100% due to rounding errors.)

Going by the thread title alone, I know that the Moon landings took place.

DJW001
Some ATS members have claimed that surveys that show the vast majority believe that NASA landed humans on the Moon are flawed because most people have not heard the 'facts' as provided by Moon Hoax theorists, and that if people knew these 'facts,' the overwhelming majority would vote that the landings were faked. Since everyone at ATS has access to many threads about this subject, I would like to propose an ad hoc survey. Please respond with a short, simple reply. This is not a discussion, but a survey. Do you believe:

A) The American space program unfolded more or less as portrayed in the media and history books, landing a series of manned spacecraft on the Moon in the late 1960s and early 1970s?

B) The American space program landed humans on the Moon, but there were extra-terrestrial encounters kept secret from the public.

C) The American space program was even more extensive than publicly claimed.

D) The American space program never landed humans on the Moon.

E) Other (please describe in brief).

A) Yes. I do not believe though that the public was given a pure 100% view of all that transpired during those historic events.

B) Yes. I believe that if there were any extra-terrestrial encounters it would have been with people who look just like us.

C) Yes. I believe this is true.

D) No. I believe that the U.S. government did not lie or construct an elaborate hoax over landing on the Moon.

E) I believe that this rumor that the Moon landings were faked is because we haven't gone back there since then. (publicly) I think the main reason for this would be that either there are people who live under the surface of the moon within subterranean chambers sealed tight so therefore it is their property & we are not welcome or that the highly problematic "Moon dust" is so toxic & so difficult to safely seal our astronauts from that the US government decided that in the best health interests of our astronauts that we do not land on the moon again. The dangers are too great.

deadcalm


Who knows how many more of the so called Moon rocks are fake?

You need to talk to J. William Middendorf about the Dutch 'rock'. I think he is still living.

deadcalm

And who's to say there was?

reply to post by seabhac-rua

 

There have been stories for many years coming out of Russia the Yuri Gagarin wasn't the first Russian in space....rather he was the first one that survived. If you google it you can learn more about it.

So what has that got to do what the utter fantasy that people on here espouse, involving Stanely Kubrick for example?

I've said it before, and it's not a popular view, but my personal opinion is that people who believe the landings were faked fall loosely into two categories: Fools and morons. Fools who simply buy the hoax theories without proper examination, and, morons who are conspiracy obsessed to the point of complete delusion. Have a nice day.