The Psychiatry conspiracy

derfreebie

DrunkYogi
reply to post by spiritspeak

 

I believe some people with a so called psychiatric illness may in fact be going through some sort of spiritual experience. This of course is frowned upon in this day and age ( you might find something out the authorities don't want you to know) therefore they kill the spirituality with mind altering drugs. Nice little earner for the Psychiatrists while the informing the patient they may be going nuts. You become a cash machine for them and the Big Pharma.

Game show triple bell winner, Yogi! It's always about the money. Characterize even a small defect of character or mode of nonconformance as a mental disorder; then make a toxic cocktail to mask or trowel tar over the "symptoms", and there you have it.
Symptom, Treatment, Profit Center. If you cure the disorder you eliminate the cow.

Edit: I haven't committed any of the DSMs to memory; but is there a statistic for normal?

edit on 14-2-2014 by derfreebie because: Normal gratefully has never been diagnosed here--- megalomaniacal bastards.

Correct derfreebie! They can invent a new illness at the drop of a hat, sit back, rub their hands, and watch the money come rolling in. In fact i did read somewhere that the guy who classified ADHD confessed on his death bed it was all a scam.

derfreebie
Symptom, Treatment, Profit Center. If you cure the disorder you eliminate the cow.

The OP is about someone intelligent bored out of his skull looking around at all the lesser intelligent people, taking pity on schizophrenics and decided to study it, solve it, create expressions and a website with information on how it works for the lesser intelligent including psychiatrists who are at the top of the lesser hierarchy just to not waste time. And spam it around the internet. Just thinking a saint would do that, solve it all instead of making lots of money with all kinds of ideas.

Sure such a person could build a spaceship or house in fact he/she can built everything imaginable beyond anyone else. I mean, of all people at a given time there must be one the smartest and one the dumbest of the entire planet. I just hope they will find eachother or have found eachother.

derfreebie
Remain in popularity, or they'll get doctors to call you crazy in order to immediately discredit your opinion. Go along or be taken away.

But it's so easy to make them look like fools, once you get it they just look like the bad bullies who happened to got lucky. I mean fight or flight, where is the middle road of talking, it's not that difficult to imagine and they shouldn't be able to get your response or understand it because you should either run or attack once heard the diagnosis. Which is what a lot of people do, except many times they run back home and attack themselves.

Those who fight 'the system' or doctor can get locked and drugged up for sure and a lifelong subscription to some or several mental illnesses which the doctor just can't seem to cure for some reason even though they say they are intelligent. Which just makes it look like animals telling this stuff to every other animal knowing it's all fake and other people can be fooled easily intentionally.

Something could be said for all the problems in society and the world (viewing mental illness/doctrines/ideology as mental viruses to which other countries become exposed until the laws change and then the trap is all set) not caused by psychiatry but at this point I'm thinking it is nearly impossible for anyone to calculate this equation.

In Elysium the movie the poor are left behind, I wonder if people saw the rise of machines coming and creating this nightmare knowing everyone would be fooled but a few who would have the mental antidote and when the time would be right, their descendents would be the next rulers of an NWO like group maybe even hidden but at the same time it can be seen as just another way for animals to find the weak ones and remove them from the group, animals which might have a better life without psychiatry. Please don't mention any possible future crimes, unless you post a pic of a glass ball or other fortune tellers ways which are more convincing to me like tarot, iching or even a magic 8 ball.

As someone who has a legitimate diagnosis on the Schizophrenic spectrum, I can readily testify that without my medications my mind would be a 24/7 walking Hellscape.

While said medications may not be the cure - as I still experience certain layovers of the condition - they do enable me to manage myself independently and the worst of my symptoms are kept in check.

My brain is wired differently and uses various neurotransmitters in different quantities and these psychotropic medications help ensure those levels are kept regulated....without which, the waking experience would be an abject and terrifying nightmare that would probably leave me homeless and helpless, incarcerated or dead.

I'd rather "pay into the system" than be completely devoid of it as money is not the end all be all to existence....my sanity is of much greater value to me than little pieces of paper.

If you think medications are expensive, you should see the bill for one week on inpatient treatment that results from medication noncompliance. I'd rather take those pills and spend that upwards of $7000 on something more constructive than crayons and Kool-Aid.

But hey, that's just my take on it all.
Two cents to take or leave as one sees fit.

Modern Psychiatry is Shake Rattle and Roll.

redhorse
reply to post by spiritspeak

 

Schizophrenia is real. The schizoid spectrum is measurable on a genetic level; NRXN1, CNTNAP2, and a whole host of others may be veritably Greek to most of us but disruptions or complete deletions of some of these are consistently present in those with schizophrenia, and it is hard evidence.

However, I do think that the schizoid spectrum is just that, a spectrum, and the hallucinations, disordered communication and thinking, and paranoia that are the most debilitating aspects on this spectrum present on a gradient as well. The stigma attached to these three manifestations specifically is largely unjustified, both in the public consciousness and the mental health community; to the point that if even a hint of any of these three things are present people get jumpy, even trained professionals. This is a hold-over from the beginnings of psychology as a field in general. There are plenty of people on the schizoid spectrum that function just fine, and there would probably be more of them if there was less of a stigma. So, while I don't think we can just discount schizophrenia as a made up disease (although there are some of those but that is another topic), I think you have the beginnings of a point in how it is perceived and treated.

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Excellently stated, and yes I do understand your factual presentation of genetic coding we have found. It is plainly obvious that most "conditions" as we will call them, of the mind, are indeed a series of spectra. Where they become severely debillatating that is when it is an issue that needs to be addressed.

The stigma, however, just goes in line with the whole "foe" mentality so many people hold towards everyone around them. Constantly looking for any "legitimate" reason to hate or fear the other. It's sad, pathetic, and a whole mess of other uncivilized things.

Heh, I personally have seen a few psychiatrists over some years. I tell them my stories along presenting evidence, including multiple witness experiences. They always look at me with astonishment and are literally speechless. These "Doctors" have no sodding clue when it comes to what's really going on...they can only try to mess with a person's neurotransmitters in the hope that it will calm them, slow or stop thoughts/perceptions. Now, this isn't always a bad thing, this is important to remember.

reply to post by GENERAL EYES


I guess its not your fault for your condition, you have to make the best with the cards you have been delt

This is a very interesting thread. I have recently been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomylitis. The WHO class this as a neurological illness where the UK still maintains it is a psychiatric illness. The National Institute of Clinical Excellence which directs healthcare in the UK advocate cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) for CFC/ME. GET has now been proved to be detrimental with moderate to severe illness. You might be thinking what has this got to do with this thread. Watch the following two links regarding psychiatrists treating two CFC/ME patients (one of them died and the other incarcerated).

Link 1

Link 2

boymonkey74
reply to post by spiritspeak

 

Wrong having worked in mental health I have seen people leave the ward who have schizophrenia and they can have a full and good life through a mix of therapy and medication, it can take a long time to get the dpse right because everyone is different.
I know on ats meds are the big evil but with a good team and a little bit of luck they do wonders.

I would have to agree with your assessment, but I would add with alot of luck. From my experiences of others seeking the right mix of therapy and drugs (or rather the lack of proven tools to cope without drugs), more than not they just don't get it right.

earthblaze
This is a very interesting thread. I have recently been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomylitis. The WHO class this as a neurological illness where the UK still maintains it is a psychiatric illness. The National Institute of Clinical Excellence which directs healthcare in the UK advocate cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) for CFC/ME. GET has now been proved to be detrimental with moderate to severe illness. You might be thinking what has this got to do with this thread. Watch the following two links regarding psychiatrists treating two CFC/ME patients (one of them died and the other incarcerated).

Link 1

Link 2

Hi mate, i've had CFS/ME since 2000. If you need any advice P.M. me.

Psychiatry seems to exist to legitimize the abhorrence of behaviors that the hive mind finds dysfunctional in its model of the society it thinks we should find ideal.....??
Does that ring yer bell?
What about this scenario......
We drug and feed our children with increasing doses of unknown chemicals (in terms of long term ingestion).....
We treat them with far more permissivity and so forth than any previous generation......
They act in strange (to us) and independent ways.....(questioning us ) and psychiatry makes up a whole new "disorder called
ADD or Authority Defiance Disorder.......WTF is THAT?
Then without examining cause and effect, they prescribe even newer and worse concoctions for them....creating mass shooters and
other scociological phenomena we in turn make up new disorders to cover......
Self Generating wealth for Psychiatry that's a certainty....but what about the children?
NADA,they get NADA......they don't really matter......same goes for the adults........

reply to post by InTheLight


That's the thing it is very hit and miss but believe me people who work in the field are not evil and I suspect the actual scientists who make the drugs are not evil, we all do what we do because we want to help people we may have experienced already in our lives mental illness in someone we know and just want to get people better.
Doing nothing for people with schizophrenia is not good for society and mostly for the person and family of the sufferer so we try to help them all.
It is not an exact science because each person is so unique, medication and therapy can work for one but do something bad for another so it is luck but we are doing the best we can (could in my case because I work in a different field now btw).
The science is so new behind it all and new things are discovered everyday but we still have to try.
I just hope anyone out there suffering from any mental illness and reading my post understands that the people on the front line only want to help and offer support to them and If the shoe was on the other foot they would do the same we do.
When I worked in mental health it was the hardest job I have ever done, it cost me a part of my sanity (became a member of ATS Mahahahaha ) broke my marriage up which cost me everything I had but It made me who Iam and I know everyday while I was there I helped people and in a weird way they helped me because I met some of the best dudes on the planet, the patients the support staff and yeah the doctors were well doctors but that's what they are trained to be like .
If I could wave a magic wand and stop all mental illness I would but we haven't got one...yet lol...

But one day because people want to cure it all we will it will just take time.

Anyhow what was meant to be a two sentence post became a mini rant lol.
Because I have had 5 pints of Roosters Yankee

reply to post by GENERAL EYES


Bloody well said mate.
Good on you pal good on you.

While I'm sure some people do have very real problems, I'm equally sure there are some people taking advantage of the existence of these people for various purposes (money, power, control, etc). A thing does not have to be completely fabricated in order to be taken advantage of. I believe this is a very widespread technique. To take something that is real in a relatively small number of cases and amplify it's apparent impact upon society and the human race at large. Once this is done and it's existence cannot be denied, the consequences of it's acceptance as fact and the fact that most people will believe it's a bigger problem than it is will be systematically abused for a wide variety of purposes that would be quite difficult to justify any other way.

reply to post by boymonkey74


I hope the magic pill comes soon because with one woman I know, it took them over 25 years to find her the right mix...after two failed marriages and three children (where issues abound, of course) she finally received the correct diagnosis, medication and therapy and is now happily re-married for the third and last time, as it appears to me.

After some time it has been decided psychiatrists need to go to law school. Since they are soul doctors, physicians if you will, but not lawyers. Psychiatrists should obtain a diploma in order to be able to get a patient to a court.

Otherwise lawyers must go to medical school and obtain a diploma for psychiatry/health care. Or the judge must have several diploma's.

If not then the psychiatrist will make up their own rules and laws to which the judge would have to listen. Any judge currently in the world who has a medical diploma is the most powerful. Until then, this system of the West is deemed corrupt. The solution has been talked about and posted here, many or most can read it here so now that it is known it must be fixed and we should all strive towards that from now on.

So psychiatrists cannot have final authority unless they obtain law school diplomas and an aikido yellow belt, preferably higher. Ideally, they should also have worked with and gained support/respect by a police school leading up to military school. Then they can become the psychic thought police as they would like to become.

Sure there is national law and international law but to understand all the dynamics and keep it fair this is a step in the right direction. Whatever the cost, psychiatrists should not have the highest authority but judges should but this isn't the case and needs to be corrected as soon as possible because a mental hospital is like a prison for thought crimes while the normal prison most know of are for physical crimes. Psychiatrists can only have a sound judgement with law diploma's and cannot be convincing otherwise.

I myself am such a dissident and trying to make the world understand.

boymonkey74
reply to post by InTheLight

 

It is not an exact science because each person is so unique, medication and therapy can work for one but do something bad for another so it is luck but we are doing the best we can (could in my case because I work in a different field now btw).
The science is so new behind it all and new things are discovered everyday but we still have to try

I agree psychiatry/pharmaceutical industry isn't evil but has to work with the effects of evil.

I don't believe people are unique though and there should be a social science which is exact as we all have the same bodies, brains etc. It's not like some have parts of the brain and others don't or some have mutations and others do not. People can be happy or not, the main differences lie in expressions, to manifest them and to read them so to recreate eachothers' realities and have a sense of contact.

I mean there are many variations of personalities and some have more or less expressions, different functions in society and families but there are also many similarities in the basis which is where it can go wrong and might manifest as a mental illness.

Thanks moderators for the patience and ofcourse the site owner for allowing me to post this here and creating ATS. I'd consider 3 posts in a topic reason to start a blog so here goes.

Bottom line, there is one male who wants to confuse all the males so he can have all the females. It must be for this reason why APA is doing what they are doing, with the naming homosexuality a disease recently followed up by trials (well in the seventies) leading up to LGBT rights but also before that the WW2 problems, but it started with schizophrenia diagnosis/theory to discredit/disable mostly the Church but basically anyone wanting to speak to their ancestors (like telling mom and dad) and using the information and willpower to make a point and affect change in the world. And a host of diagnosis to confuse everyone with bipolar, ADHD and so on and all of this used in courts of law.

So the question is now, would it be the spirits of mr. Blueler and associates, or would they be set up by others possibly also mediums/psychics using them as their puppets to subdue humanity by confusing everyone. Which, granted also revealed many things because just like with computers one must learn more when they break down, or any other device you get to know mechanics when a car breaks down and a whole other system can become known but I digress.

spiritspeak

boymonkey74
reply to post by InTheLight

 

It is not an exact science because each person is so unique, medication and therapy can work for one but do something bad for another so it is luck but we are doing the best we can (could in my case because I work in a different field now btw).
The science is so new behind it all and new things are discovered everyday but we still have to try

I agree psychiatry/pharmaceutical industry isn't evil but has to work with the effects of evil.

I don't believe people are unique though and there should be a social science which is exact as we all have the same bodies, brains etc. It's not like some have parts of the brain and others don't or some have mutations and others do not. People can be happy or not, the main differences lie in expressions, to manifest them and to read them so to recreate eachothers' realities and have a sense of contact.

I mean there are many variations of personalities and some have more or less expressions, different functions in society and families but there are also many similarities in the basis which is where it can go wrong and might manifest as a mental illness.

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You have touched slightly on my meaning of 'unique', in that, include environmental factors/stressors, ability to handle stressors, brain function impairment, social interactions or lack thereof, denial, DNA?, chemical imbalances?, drug use, long-term prescribed drug use(?), etc.

Of course there are many similarities, but this particular science(?) seems, to me, to be rote (stagnant) and confusing, and I notice that study after study are challenged by (forward-thinking - coming from a more scientific place?) colleagues in this field of science(?), and this is blantantly obvious the few times that I have researched certain psychiatric/psychological information in regards to diagnosing common(?) conditions of mental illness(?)/distress(?).

"The Real Problems With Psychiatry

A psychotherapist contends that the DSM, psychiatry's "bible" that defines all mental illness, is not scientific but a product of unscrupulous politics and bureaucracy. "

"What is the difference between a disorder and distress that is a normal occurrence in our lives?

That distinction is made by a clinician, whether it's a family doctor or a psychiatrist or whoever. But nobody knows exactly how to make that determination. There are no established thresholds. Even if you could imagine how that would work, it would have to be a subjective analysis of the extent to which the person's functioning is impaired. How are you going to measure that? Doctors are supposed to measure "clinical significance." What's that? For many people, the fact that someone shows up in their office is clinical significance. I'm not going to say that's wrong, but it's not scientific. And there's a conflict of interest -- if I don't determine clinical significance, I don't get paid."

"What are the dangers of over-diagnosing a population? Are false positives worse than false negatives?

I believe that false positives, people who are diagnosed because there's a diagnosis for them and they show up in a doctor's office, is a much bigger problem. It changes people's identities, it encourages the use of drugs whose side effects and long-term effects are unknown, and main effects are poorly understood."


"What are the important changes made in the new DSM, and how will they affect patients?

It's going to cause a lot of trouble when Asperger's Syndrome disappears. It may cause some trouble when the bereavement exclusion disappears. That's a good example of why the APA's going to be in trouble. It was so unnecessary, so stupid. They've made the absurd statement that they know the difference, two weeks after someone's wife dies, whether that person is "depressed," or just "in mourning." Come on! Who are these guys?"

"Frances also worries that your criticisms are anti-psychiatry.

It's the universal paranoia of psychiatry that everybody who disagrees with them is pathological. You can't disagree with a psychiatrist without getting a diagnosis. I've been writing critically about psychiatry for ten years and I've always encountered that. Psychiatry is a defensive profession. They have a lot to protect and they know their weakness. To repel criticism in the strongest way possible, from their point of view, you diagnose the critic."

www.theatlantic.com...

This article is just one example of what I come across every time I look for new science in this field and that I try to touch on in my posts.

ITL