Save a turkey this year - have tofu "turkey" instead.

I realize this is a year-old arguement, but one point -

yes Mynaeris, humans were never meant to be carnivores.

we are OBNIVORES.

This means we have traits from both veggies and carnies.

we have a mixture of flat teeth and sharp teeth to eat plants and meat. Our intestines may be long to handle plants, but we still cant handle the extra fiberous plants such as celery. Another trait about humans: our eyes face forward. I heard somewhere that veggie and insectie animals have eyes that point out on either side of the head. carnies or obvnies have eyes facing forward. Not sure why or if its entirely true, haha.

And finally, if we were meant to be veggies, why were turkeys made out of meat?

---Pineapple

Originally posted by pineappleupsidedown
yes Mynaeris, humans were never meant to be carnivores.

we are OBNIVORES.

This means we have traits from both veggies and carnies.

I believe you meant to say omnivores?

It's true we share the traits of both a flesh eater and a leaf eater.

Ive been a vegetarian for about a year now and have recently decided I will eat meat on occasion if it's both free range and organic. I suggest the same to all the carnivores on ATS. Happy Thanksgiving!

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We'll probably go to IHOP and have turkey pancakes or something. I miss the deep fried turkey. *sigh* I was a vegitarian for about two years after going through chemo. My body just would not process meat. After a year of slowly reintoducing fish, poultry then meats, I am happy to say that I digest everything just fine.

If I had noticed any health benefits while living meatless, I would have remained a vegitarian.

Turkey's are Ok and all, but if you meat eaters out there should know what the most delicious bird is.

The Bald Eagle.

Cook mine rare.

We prefer the endangered New Mexico Enchilada for our Thanksgiving meal.

Hubby and I were vegetarian for a few years. It did not agree with either of us. Now, we eat meat and tofu and tempeh!

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I got my 17 lbs. fresh never frozen bird early this morning to beat the crowd.

It'll be delicious!

Another Thanksgiving... And another soon to be turkey carcass. Just blowing the dust off this thread for all the new members. A fun filled expose of all that is right and wrong with giving/getting the bird.

Pilgrim monkeys, not just making the best Thursday ever...

OMG, not this again!!!

Another year, another REAL turkey in my oven then in my stomach, thank you very much!

Originally posted by djohnsto77
OMG, not this again!!!

Another year, another REAL turkey in my oven then in my stomach, thank you very much!

I'm just curious if anyone will take up the pasty tofu banner, or have the carnivorous hordes overrun ATS?

Where for art thou, oh defender of the bean curd?

There's no way I'm eating tofu anything, but since I'm not a big turkey-lover, I'll probably just stick to the veggies...and if available, the ham. Pigs - the other white meat.

I can honestly say this statement makes me very happy:

More than 45 million turkeys are killed every year for Thanksgiving alone, and more than 300 million are killed for food throughout the year in the United States.

Seriously...I refuse to eat any other meat. I campaign for laws to improve the lives of many animals but my one and only real hypocrisy in life is my hatred of turkeys.

They are not intelligent - look it up or better yet go hang out at a turkey farm and see for yourself.
They are not affectionate - look that up too.
They are aggressive.

They are smelly, lice ridden and truly nasty birds. Worthy of cooking only.

Wild turkeys are another issue...farm bred and raised turkeys are so different from their wild kin...that's a fact too.

And as a side note...I refuse to work with PETA. Scare tactics and outright lies is their game.

Turkeys are a commodity and the truth is that they adapted SO well to captivity and the tight living conditions - this is a FACT.

Yes they are fed antibiotics, but it's not because of their living conditions, it's because they are stupid and will eat anything and are known cannibals...

How is that any different than a genetically modified or enhanced plant that has been treated with a dozen types of fertilizer, steroids and often pesticides?

Yes steroids in your favorite veggies...look up brassinosteroids. They regulate the genes of the plant and increase yield and growth.

Oh and don't forget those antibiotics in plants too...used widely since the 50's..

Antibiotics in plant/crop protection and antibiotic resistant marker genes in genetically modified crops...

Regurgitating info from PETA sadly is a common tactic in animal activism...too bad too, a more balanced and informed approach would likely add more sway power to the argument.

Just playing devil's advocate I guess. I really do hate turkeys though.


Edited to add this for the tofu lovers (myself included!!)

Mid-Life Tofu Consumption Associated With Mental Decline

Eating large amounts of tofu in midlife may be associated with mental deterioration in old age, according to the Hawaii Center for Health Research. An analysis of data from the Honolulu Heart Program found that men who ate the most tofu during their mid-40s to mid-60s showed the most signs of mental deterioration in their mid-70s to early 90s. The program began tracing the health of 8,000 Japanese-American men in 1965. Researchers said that both men and women eating tofu two or more times a week were up to twice as likely to show some signs of impaired mental function later in life than those who rarely ate tofu. The proposed link between eating tofu and decline in brain function is the isoflavones, chemicals in soy that affect an enzyme in the body that may block changes in the brain related to learning. (Journal of the American College of Nutrition, April 2000)

Source - FDA Updates

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Eat to live don't live to eat, when eating turns into a hobby there is a serious problem with the perception frequency of a person.



vegan, im all for it, just dissapointing to see some of the people who's moderating this board.



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Originally posted by Valhall
Pigs - the other white meat.

That thought crosses my mind on many mornings as i'm stuffing bacon into my maw....And it always makes me wonder

The only way I would eat tofu is if I was stranded on a desert island and already eaten all the other people that had been stranded with me. (just joking)



Two weeks from today is the big turkey day and i'm ready for it. Lots of family, lots of catching up and lots and lots of good food.

Life can be really wonderful at times.

BRING ON THE TURKEY!

Oh btw, i too find vegetarian women sexy :0

So, if people won't buy turkeys this year does that mean that the ones already killed are going back to the farm after some resurrection to live a happy live?

I don't think that any of this type of tactics will ever work, it will only make big quantities of unsold, killed turkeys go to waste, if enough people do this kind of boycott.

Me, I love turkey, I could eat it everyday.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
Every year millions of turkeys are sacrificed in order that Americans can show their thanks. How about all people NOT have turkey this year - the following facts from the PETA site might be of interest to ATS members. Let's give the turkeys something to be thankful for too?

begin rant

I am deeply suspicious of the organization PETA, and find their methods extremely distasteful. I mean, yes, anuimal cruelty is a terribel thing, but to make the comparison between the Holocaust and a cow slaughter house is just sickening.

Also, PETA is completely hypocritical. My older brother is a Sous Chef in Las Vegas at a five star restaurant (he used to work at Le Cirque in the Bellagio, but I can't remember where he is now). One of the staples of gourmet french cousine is Foi Gras, or duck liver.

Most of the ducks/geese used are raised on two farms in Nevada, where they are confined to tiny little cages, and force fed your tubes shoved down their throat so their livers swell to give the maximum amount of food possible.

And yet we hear nothing from PETA about this. Do you know why? Because the companies that own these farms make sizable contributions to PETA every year, and in return PETA leaves their operation alone and out of the spot light. How deliciously hypocritical, and in my view it pretty well discredits all of PETA's "ethical" arguements.

End Rant

As far as eating Turkey goes, I don't really understand why there's a problem with it. As someone pointed out earlier, animals consume other animals, it's just the way it is. Human Beings are not herbavores. We eat meat, we were designed to eat meat. Why else to you think we have shart canine teeth?

So are you just as angry at say a lion for eating a gazelle? I fail to see a difference between a lion killing and eating an animal to survive, and a human killing and eating an animal to survive.

for every animal you dont eat, im going to eat three.



i have to work thanksgiving.

Originally posted by jazzgul


I've heard once that digesting turkey makes you feel tired and lazy.

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So, what's different to the norm!!!!

Give me a real live dead turkey any (Christmas) day

Nox

WE've decided this year to go with "personal pan turkeys"

Others might know them as Game hens.
You can stuff each one differently. I like lemons and herbs on the inside.

Season each one differently.
I like Rosemary and Garlic on the outside.

And, they cook up really FAST!
We do them on the grill, with a few wet hickory chunks in the charcoal.

And there is no fighting over the dark, and the light meat!!

Cheers! wishbones all around.