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UxoriousMagnusI know a lot of people here are not big fans of Alex Jones but this is a very interesting story for gun owners.
moresco
Mind you I'm not anti 2nd Amendment but I am pro reasonable gun control....universal background checks, proper training and licencing, stuff like that. I think people too often see the "shall not be infringed" part and stop reading before the "well regulated part". I have guns myself and would not be willing to give them up but we have to be reasonable. Being extreme in either direction isn't going to solve any problems.
doubletap
moresco
Mind you I'm not anti 2nd Amendment but I am pro reasonable gun control....universal background checks, proper training and licencing, stuff like that. I think people too often see the "shall not be infringed" part and stop reading before the "well regulated part". I have guns myself and would not be willing to give them up but we have to be reasonable. Being extreme in either direction isn't going to solve any problems.
Thank You for clearing that up . Perception of what someone utters will always be misinterpreted by some .
The very fact that every gun control proponent has to preface their support of unconstitutional policies with the words "reasonable" or "common sense" shows that they have neither reason nor common sense.
The 2nd Amendment doesnt say the right to bear arms shall not be infringed after obtaining a government permission slip and passing government mandated education. Know why it doesn't say that? Because by the very definition of the word infringe, both of those are infringements.
There is no requirement to be reasonable when it comes to government taking away more supposedly protected rights. In fact, that is the perfect time to be unreasonable.
Phage
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog
Either way it's obviously a political move rather than one based on his convictions.
It "didn't take long" for him to realize MAIG's "real purpose" but he's been a member for more than 4 years. He waits until he announces that he's running for state senate to quit and denounce MAIG.
If it were my district I don't know who I would vote for but I do know it wouldn't be him.
I doubt it's the express hidden goal of MAIG but the thing is it does bring up the "slippery slope" argument. That argument could be valid. I don't really know.
I will say I do think Bloomberg and some of his group members are for stricter gun control then they will let the public know about but I don't think they are for actual gun confiscation.
Phage
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog
I doubt it's the express hidden goal of MAIG but the thing is it does bring up the "slippery slope" argument. That argument could be valid. I don't really know.
I will say I do think Bloomberg and some of his group members are for stricter gun control then they will let the public know about but I don't think they are for actual gun confiscation.
It's a tricky situation. I'm all for private gun ownership. But I really don't think everyone should be armed. Coming up with laws that make sense and are enforceable is a problem.
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Phage
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog
I doubt it's the express hidden goal of MAIG but the thing is it does bring up the "slippery slope" argument. That argument could be valid. I don't really know.
I will say I do think Bloomberg and some of his group members are for stricter gun control then they will let the public know about but I don't think they are for actual gun confiscation.
It's a tricky situation. I'm all for private gun ownership. But I really don't think everyone should be armed. Coming up with laws that make sense and are enforceable is a problem.
edit on 2/11/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Heh. That's not what I mean but I can see how it sounds that way. I don't think everyone should be able to have weapons.
Well I don't think there will ever be a time in the near future where the vast majority will be armed
UxoriousMagnus
LadySkadi
Looked up the list - here it is...
Full list of MAIG
Nice LadyS....thanks for adding that. I checked my state.....no Mayors.....zero.....gotta love Idaho!!!
thanks again....
- ID - Reporter
House Bill 367, which would significantly broaden the role of the Idaho National Guard to include domestic policing powers,
Zanti Misfit
reply to post by moresco
"Mind you I'm not anti 2nd Amendment but I am pro reasonable gun control....universal background checks, proper training and licencing, stuff like that."
Criminals dont posess Legal Registered Firearms and are Not Subject to these Insane Anti Gun Advocates like Bloomberg and his ilk . They are Predators in our Society and use Fear , Intimidation , and Deadly Force to get what they want . Aiming Anti Gun Leglslation towards Law Abiding Gun Owning Citizens is tantamount to Feeding Helpless Baby Lambs to Starving Lions , the " Lions" being Criminals and an Over reaching Federal Goverment used by Politicians for their Own Personal Agendas . The American people have a Freakin' Right to Protect themselves regardless of what some Power Tripping Politico might Desire..........
And yes Mr. Bloomberg , we are Almost All Out Of Bubblegum......
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HarvardMan2010
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus
Yeah Idaho Rocks!
dreamingawake
UxoriousMagnus
LadySkadi
Looked up the list - here it is...
Full list of MAIG
Nice LadyS....thanks for adding that. I checked my state.....no Mayors.....zero.....gotta love Idaho!!!
thanks again....
Good hearing that, for what it's worth, as I'm looking more into this.
Well, as opposed to and to not be off topic, this seems concerning,
- ID - Reporter
House Bill 367, which would significantly broaden the role of the Idaho National Guard to include domestic policing powers,
RevelationsDivad
Don't get rid of the guns. Get rid of the drug king pins, leaders of gangs and their thugs. Its so easy even though they don't want to do it. New York Law Enforcement, S.W.A.T team, U.S troops and all U.S law enforcement > crazy criminals. This is not a way to clean up a part of America.
Because they are beating around the bush with this situation (not getting rid of criminals that deal with drugs) - if they really do confiscate their law abiding citizens guns, its not going to be for a good purpose. Another note - if they do, I wouldn't be suprized if there is an attack similar to when Syria bombed its own people.
There is no doubting how far countries governments will go - The Syrian government is an example of this!
Phage
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog
Heh. That's not what I mean but I can see how it sounds that way. I don't think everyone should be able to have weapons.
Well I don't think there will ever be a time in the near future where the vast majority will be armed
I admit it's a specious argument. It's obvious and I know there are laws but obviously there are holes.